The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[brightfame52]

Your thread does not address the question nor the texts. Obviously you cannot reply. You don't understand Christ's redemptive work as described in scripture.

Then I have nothing else for you.

 

[brightfame52]

That is Calvinism, not scripture.

I have nothing else for you !

 

[brightfame52]

That is a true statement in spite of yourself. The problem with your understanding is that Christ died for the world, for mankind. He reconciled the world to God. He saved mankind from death and sin. Your view of a limited atonement denies one of the basic tenets of Christianity, namely the Incarnation of Christ. Limited atonement is an impossibility. If you actually understood the Incarnation of Christ you would know that.

I have nothing else for you, you have read my views !

 

[brightfame52]

Redeemed unto Service !

Not only did Christ's Blood alone redeem us from all Iniquity if He died for us Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

But its also responsible for providing us a life of Good Works and or Spiritual Service unto God, Titus 2:14; Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Rom 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Being made a Kingdom of Priests [Spiritual Service] denotes God Glorifying Works of Service, again Spiritual Services.

1 Pet 2:5

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

 

[Rightglory]

Redeemed unto Service !

Not only did Christ's Blood alone redeem us from all Iniquity if He died for us Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

But its also responsible for providing us a life of Good Works and or Spiritual Service unto God, Titus 2:14; Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Rom 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Being made a Kingdom of Priests [Spiritual Service] denotes God Glorifying Works of Service, again Spiritual Services.

1 Pet 2:5

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

All these texts are addressing the Christian life. None of them deal with your own topic of this thread, the Atonement.

 

[brightfame52]

It gives the Victory !

1 Cor 15:57

But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

All for whom Christ died, He causes them to be overcomer's, they are the overcomer's.

The word victory nikos:

to utterly vanquish

Its also connected with the word nikaō:


to conquer

a) to carry off the victory, come off victorious

1) of Christ, victorious over all His foes

2) of Christians, that hold fast their faith even unto death against the power of their foes, and temptations and persecutions

3) when one is arraigned or goes to law, to win the case, maintain one's cause

Since Christ by His Death was victorious over all His Foes, its the same as they were since He was and is the Head of them He died for. His Victorious Death was not for Him as a Private Individual, so His Victory or Overcoming is not for Him as an Private Individual.

So scriptures like these where the word overcome is used as here Rev 2:7

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

That applies to them He died for, they overcome by Him 1 Cor 15:57

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory/overcoming through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Rev 2:11

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He has abolished Death for all whom He died !2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Rev 2:17

17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

God has already with Him given us all things Rom 8:31-32

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

He gives us with Christ, if He died for us, the Victory and all the overcoming Promises we have rehearsed in Rev 2-3 ! 12

 

[brightfame52]

All these texts are addressing the Christian life. None of them deal with your own topic of this thread, the Atonement.

The Christian Life is the product and accomplishment of the atoning Death of Christ. If Christ died for one they shall become a Christian as a result.

 

[Rightglory]

The Christian Life is the product and accomplishment of the atoning Death of Christ. If Christ died for one they shall become a Christian as a result.

The Christian life is possible because of His Atonement.

 

[brightfame52]

The Christian life is possible because of His Atonement.

False, thats not in scripture. Possible. Christs atoning death produces the Christian life Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Thats the Christian life, to be zealous of good works, which He afore ordained for them to walk in Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Friend you selling out Christs atoning accomplishment, thats speaking against Christ ! So tell us, If Christs death only made the Christian life possible, what makes it a reality ?

 

[Rightglory]

False, thats not in scripture. Possible. Christs atoning death produces the Christian life Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Thats the Christian life, to be zealous of good works, which He afore ordained for them to walk in Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Friend you selling out Christs atoning accomplishment, thats speaking against Christ ! So tell us, If Christs death only made the Christian life possible, what makes it a reality ?

Unfortunately you don't understand the Biblical understanding of redemption. You seem to think that Christ created believers by His death/resurrection.
To make a persons life a reality, one must accept the call of the Holy Spirit to belief, repentance, baptism and enter into union with Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

Unfortunately you don't understand the Biblical understanding of redemption. You seem to think that Christ created believers by His death/resurrection.
To make a persons life a reality, one must accept the call of the Holy Spirit to belief, repentance, baptism and enter into union with Christ.

Unfortunately you dont understand, Christs redemptive death causes, effects the Christian life. He redeemed them FROM all Iniquity and purified them unto a peculiar people zealous of good works,

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

You selling the redemptive death of Christ short, only an enemy would do that friend.

 

[brightfame52]

rightglory

You seem to think that Christ created believers by His death/resurrection.

He did, Thats how He made new creatures Isa 43:7

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

 

[Rightglory]

Unfortunately you dont understand, Christs redemptive death causes, effects the Christian life. He redeemed them FROM all Iniquity and purified them unto a peculiar people zealous of good works,

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

You selling the redemptive death of Christ short, only an enemy would do that friend.

All your texts in context is speaking of believers. However, in order for you and any Christian to have union with God, for God to purify a peculiar people Christ needed to redeem, reconcile, the world and mankind to God.
Not only are you cutting Christ's redemption short, you are completely dismissing it. As I pointed out to you there are two texts that sum up Christ' redemptive work, I John 2:2, Heb 2:9. Anything less is a direct denial of Christ redeeming work as well as a denial of His Incarnation.
Your view which is Calvin's view of limited atonement did not exist in Christianity prior to Calvin. Only those who hold to Calvin's view have this view since the 16th century.

 

[Rightglory]

rightglory



He did, Thats how He made new creatures Isa 43:7

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

this text is part of the prophesy and is speaking of Israel as the purpose of the Church. A corresponding text in the NT is Eph 2:10. Believers were created to be witnesses to the world, created for good works.
It is not even addressing Christ's redemptive work. It is addressing the purpose of His redemptive work. To call out a people/church for Himself.

 

[brightfame52]

All your texts in context is speaking of believers. However, in order for you and any Christian to have union with God, for God to purify a peculiar people Christ needed to redeem, reconcile, the world and mankind to God.
Not only are you cutting Christ's redemption short, you are completely dismissing it. As I pointed out to you there are two texts that sum up Christ' redemptive work, I John 2:2, Heb 2:9. Anything less is a direct denial of Christ redeeming work as well as a denial of His Incarnation.
Your view which is Calvin's view of limited atonement did not exist in Christianity prior to Calvin. Only those who hold to Calvin's view have this view since the 16th century.

Again, You selling the Redeeming Death of Christ short, His death redeems them He died for from iniquity and makes them zealous of good works. Read Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Now lets look at the word THAT, its the greek word hina: a conjunction which means:

1. that, in order that, so that, in order that (denoting the purpose or the result

His Death had purpose and result, which was to " redeem them from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself , a people, zealous of good works. Now you believe Christs death failed its purpose and result dont you ? If you do, thats unbelief, not faith !

 

[Rightglory]

Again, You selling the Redeeming Death of Christ short, His death redeems them He died for from iniquity and makes them zealous of good works. Read Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Now lets look at the word THAT, its the greek word hina: a conjunction which means:

1. that, in order that, so that, in order that (denoting the purpose or the result

His Death had purpose and result, which was to " redeem them from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself , a people, zealous of good works. Now you believe Christs death failed its purpose and result dont you ? If you do, thats unbelief, not faith !

What you fail to understand that believers are human beings. All human beings have the same human nature. Here he is speaking only and specifically to believers who obviously are part of the human race.
What you fail to understand that all human beings were redeemed from death and sin for the purpose that Christ, through the Holy Spirit could call from all men to gather His Body, the Church.
Christ totally achieved His purpose. Your view actually denies that He even accomplished anything because you deny what He did through His Incarnation. You are denying one of the hallmarks of historical Christianity, the Incarnation of Christ.
You need to rid yourself of the false Calvinistic theory on salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

this text is part of the prophesy and is speaking of Israel as the purpose of the Church. A corresponding text in the NT is Eph 2:10. Believers were created to be witnesses to the world, created for good works.
It is not even addressing Christ's redemptive work. It is addressing the purpose of His redemptive work. To call out a people/church for Himself.

Christs death makes new creatures, believers. Thats what being saved by grace does, it makes one a new creature in Christ. Isa 43:7

What you fail to understand that believers are human beings. All human beings have the same human nature. Here he is speaking only and specifically to believers who obviously are part of the human race.
What you fail to understand that all human beings were redeemed from death and sin for the purpose that Christ, through the Holy Spirit could call from all men to gather His Body, the Church.
Christ totally achieved His purpose. Your view actually denies that He even accomplished anything because you deny what He did through His Incarnation. You are denying one of the hallmarks of historical Christianity, the Incarnation of Christ.
You need to rid yourself of the false Calvinistic theory on salvation.

What you fail to understand, because God hasnt given you to understand, is that Christs death redeems them He died for into Christians zealous of good works Titus 2:14
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Sorry pal, but thats the one and only way to become a Christian, through Christ Jn 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Rightglory]

Christs death makes new creatures, believers. Thats what being saved by grace does, it makes one a new creature in Christ. Isa 43:7

What you fail to understand, because God hasnt given you to understand, is that Christs death redeems them He died for into Christians zealous of good works Titus 2:14
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Sorry pal, but thats the one and only way to become a Christian, through Christ Jn 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Neither your personal opinion/interpretation or Calvin's will dissuade me from believing what all Christians believed before John Calvin introduced his erroneous theology in the 16th century. You are welcome to hold to your view, but it is not scriptural as it has always been understood. You will never prove otherwise. The Holy Spirit does not give new theories/interpretations of scripture. It was given ONCE and preserved within His Body, the Church. Scripture actually explicitly states that you and Calvin are incorrect. II Pet 1:20

 

[brightfame52]

Neither your personal opinion/interpretation or Calvin's will dissuade me from believing what all Christians believed before John Calvin introduced his erroneous theology in the 16th century. You are welcome to hold to your view, but it is not scriptural as it has always been understood. You will never prove otherwise. The Holy Spirit does not give new theories/interpretations of scripture. It was given ONCE and preserved within His Body, the Church. Scripture actually explicitly states that you and Calvin are incorrect. II Pet 1:20

You just dont understand the Truth about Christs death. How were these made unto a kingdom of priest unto God according to Rom 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

What does the word made denote ?

 

[Rightglory]

You just dont understand the Truth about Christs death. How were these made unto a kingdom of priest unto God according to Rom 5:9-10

You use Rom 5:9-10 which is an introduction, though speaking to believers in Rome, he goes on from vs 12-21 explaining how the Incarnate Christ overcame the universal fall of man with the universal salvation from that fall. Another example of not fully understanding Christ's in carnation. Did Calvin disregard the Incarnation of Christ? Did he ever mention it in his Institutes. It happens to be one of the hallmarks that makes Christianity different from any other religion, along with the Trinity.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

What does the word made denote ?

When addressing ONLY believers the us refers to believers obviously. But all mankind was redeemed which obviously believers are part of the human race. Rom 5:18 tells you that. So does I Cor 15:20-22, as does Heb 2:9. Until you recognize what Christ actually accomplished you will be witnessing a falsehood. Your best route is to forget Calvinism and find out what the scriptures has always meant without the false theories of men to distort it.