The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[brightfame52]

He is the Author of our Salvation/ Obedience !

For all whom He died, Christ is the Author of their Salvation, that's why they are obeying Him Heb 5:9

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey[or are obeying] him;

And so He is the Author of their Faith Heb 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

He is the Author of the Obedience of Faith, like with Abraham the Father of the Faithful Heb 11:8

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Christ is the Author of Abraham's obedience of Faith here !

So Christ, for everyone He died, is the Author, the Causer of their Conversion experience whereby they begin to live by obedient faith, as does all the seed of Abraham Heb 11:8 all the True Heirs are called the same way Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Understand, that Both in Heb 11:8 and Heb 9:15 its a Divine Call unto the same Eternal Inheritance. The Eternal Inheritance in Heb 9:15 is the equivalent to the Everlasting Canaan Land that was Promised Abraham and his seed here Gen 17:5-8

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

The promise Eternal Inheritance was not given to Abraham and his physical seed ethnic isreal, but to Abraham as an Spiritual man of Faith and his Spiritual seed of Faith, comprised of men and women of all Nations Vs 5. Abraham's physical seed was only a type and shadow, His True descendants related to him in regards to this promise is through His spiritual seed Christ and all who belong to Him Gal 3:16,29

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And all of this seed of promise, have Christ as the Author of their Salvation and Obedience of Faith ! 12

 

[Episkopos]

Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus Christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of Christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

I have to point out some inaccuracies here, if you don't mind.

1. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. So the scope of redemption is beyond the elect. The elect saints are to rule over the nations in the next age. But it is God who justifies. The saved don't know they are saved. There is going to be shock and surprise on judgment day.

2. It isn't the death of Christ that justifies, but His resurrection. Death brings death and life brings life. Jesus was RAISED for our justification...who walk with Him in His life. It is the eternal life of Jesus that trumps death. Likewise we are called to walk in His resurrection life over the law of sin and death. That is the salvation we can experience in this world...over the flesh, the world and the devil.

 

[brightfame52]

I have to point out some inaccuracies here, if you don't mind.

1. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. So the scope of redemption is beyond the elect. The elect saints are to rule over the nations in the next age. But it is God who justifies. The saved don't know they are saved. There is going to be shock and surprise on judgment day.

2. It isn't the death of Christ that justifies, but His resurrection. Death brings death and life brings life. Jesus was RAISED for our justification...who walk with Him in His life. It is the eternal life of Jesus that trumps death. Likewise we are called to walk in His resurrection life over the law of sin and death. That is the salvation we can experience in this world...over the flesh, the world and the devil.

Once you said Christ died for the sins of the whole world, false teaching began, the rest of what you have to say is worthless.

 

[Rightglory]

Once you said Christ died for the sins of the whole world, false teaching began, the rest of what you have to say is worthless.

So you keep saying, but can never support it with scripture. they are worthless and meaningless assertions.
Here is what scripture says Christ did, I John 2:2 and Heb 2:9. That is a summary of the atonement.

 

[Episkopos]

Once you said Christ died for the sins of the whole world, false teaching began, the rest of what you have to say is worthless.

You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself and a very low opinion of the words of God.

1 John 2:2 “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

1 Tim. 4:10 “For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”

Move past your own opinions and keep reading what I stated.

 

[brightfame52]

So you keep saying, but can never support it with scripture. they are worthless and meaningless assertions.
Here is what scripture says Christ did, I John 2:2 and Heb 2:9. That is a summary of the atonement.

Again to say Christ died for all mankind is false teaching, not even worth debating

 

[brightfame52]

You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself and a very low opinion of the words of God.

1 John 2:2 “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

1 Tim. 4:10 “For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”

Move past your own opinions and keep reading what I stated.

Is it anything else you want to discuss from the OP ? Or Post 521, its points ?

 

[Jim B]

Again to say Christ died for all mankind is false teaching, not even worth debating

There is no debate. If you don't understand that Christ died for the sins of all humankind READ YOUR BIBLE.

 

[brightfame52]

There is no debate. If you don't understand that Christ died for the sins of all humankind READ YOUR BIBLE.

Thats false teaching, not worth debating

 

[Rightglory]

Again to say Christ died for all mankind is false teaching, not even worth debating

Why not engage and show from scripture that scripture is wrong. Two very simple texts, I John 2:2 and Heb 2:9, Give us your view on these two texts. Why does it not say and mean what they say? Your assertion proves nothing.

 

[brightfame52]

Why not engage and show from scripture that scripture is wrong. Two very simple texts, I John 2:2 and Heb 2:9, Give us your view on these two texts. Why does it not say and mean what they say? Your assertion proves nothing.

I have engaged with you before, if you want more engagement read the thread points.

 

[Jim B]

Why not engage and show from scripture that scripture is wrong. Two very simple texts, I John 2:2 and Heb 2:9, Give us your view on these two texts. Why does it not say and mean what they say? Your assertion proves nothing.

You are totally correct.

brightfame52 clearly doesn't understand salvation.

 

[Rightglory]

I have engaged with you before, if you want more engagement read the thread points.

You have never engaged, that is the point. If you don't understand what someone posts, even though it is a text of scripture you dismiss it entirely. You dismiss it because you have no answer for the texts. They refute your assertions which are nothing more than disjointed and unrelated texts with your bias/Calvin's that completely change the text. You are adding to scripture with your assertions.
Give it another try, give your understanding of I John 2:2, Heb 2:9. Show that they say something different than the clear text.

 

[brightfame52]

You have never engaged, that is the point. If you don't understand what someone posts, even though it is a text of scripture you dismiss it entirely. You dismiss it because you have no answer for the texts. They refute your assertions which are nothing more than disjointed and unrelated texts with your bias/Calvin's that completely change the text. You are adding to scripture with your assertions.
Give it another try, give your understanding of I John 2:2, Heb 2:9. Show that they say something different than the clear text.

Read the thread.

 

[brightfame52]

You are totally correct.

brightfame52 clearly doesn't understand salvation.

I understand that Christs Death accomplished Salvation and saved all the elect of God like God purposed.

 

[Rightglory]

I understand that Christs Death accomplished Salvation and saved all the elect of God like God purposed.

We all know that you believe Calvinism. It is not scriptural. Calvin totally misunderstood predestination and foreknowledge, None of his other 5 points have any root in scripture. They are either his own theories and misunderstandings of context to fit those theories. As you have aptly demonstrated. As a lawyer he developed a very tight and consistent theory, but unfortunately it does not align with scripture.
I don't have any commentaries on Calvinism, but I would be very interested to know how he addresses I John 2:2, Heb 2:9, if he addresses them at all?

 

[brightfame52]

We all know that you believe Calvinism. It is not scriptural. Calvin totally misunderstood predestination and foreknowledge, None of his other 5 points have any root in scripture. They are either his own theories and misunderstandings of context to fit those theories. As you have aptly demonstrated. As a lawyer he developed a very tight and consistent theory, but unfortunately it does not align with scripture.
I don't have any commentaries on Calvinism, but I would be very interested to know how he addresses I John 2:2, Heb 2:9, if he addresses them at all?

Read the thread points I have made. Christs death accomplished Salvation, Atonement for them He died for.

 

[Rightglory]

Read the thread.

Your thread does not address the question nor the texts. Obviously you cannot reply. You don't understand Christ's redemptive work as described in scripture.

 

[Rightglory]

I understand that Christs Death accomplished Salvation and saved all the elect of God like God purposed.

That is Calvinism, not scripture.

 

[Rightglory]

Read the thread points I have made. Christs death accomplished Salvation, Atonement for them He died for.

That is a true statement in spite of yourself. The problem with your understanding is that Christ died for the world, for mankind. He reconciled the world to God. He saved mankind from death and sin. Your view of a limited atonement denies one of the basic tenets of Christianity, namely the Incarnation of Christ. Limited atonement is an impossibility. If you actually understood the Incarnation of Christ you would know that.