The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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You use Rom 5:9-10 which is an introduction, though speaking to believers in Rome, he goes on from vs 12-21 explaining how the Incarnate Christ overcame the universal fall of man with the universal salvation from that fall. Another example of not fully understanding Christ's in carnation. Did Calvin disregard the Incarnation of Christ? Did he ever mention it in his Institutes. It happens to be one of the hallmarks that makes Christianity different from any other religion, along with the Trinity.

When addressing ONLY believers the us refers to believers obviously. But all mankind was redeemed which obviously believers are part of the human race. Rom 5:18 tells you that. So does I Cor 15:20-22, as does Heb 2:9. Until you recognize what Christ actually accomplished you will be witnessing a falsehood. Your best route is to forget Calvinism and find out what the scriptures has always meant without the false theories of men to distort it.

Listen to the believers Testimony. How were they made a kingdom of priest unto God ? Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Also what does made mean ? Who and what made them please ?

 

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But all mankind was redeemed

False teaching, thats equivalent to saying all mankind was saved. Ps 106:10


And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.

Ps 107:2

Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;

Isa 63:9

In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Lk 1:67-69

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

It accomplished ? Nothing ! unless you understand that Christ is in fact our Lord and Saviour.

No one is Saved unless you are truly Saved regarding the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus, outside of that one is lost regardless, such is of this world under deceptions and delusions as Jesus pointed out in fact.
Christ Jesus brings in the Kingdom of God. Now this has started ! only regarding the lost are under delusions and deceptions of this world. That's the problem, so we had people in the Churches and leadership that were not of Christ Jesus and only of their church denomination, such is a Religious blight ! a ranting and raving like the Jews who were lost and undermined by lack of regarding Christ Jesus.
For no one comes to the Father but through is only begotten Son.

Religion accomplished nothing by it's self regarding God. such is a Mans works Religion ? They think they are bringing in the Kingdom ! But they don't want God in it ? because they do not seek the Kingdom of God, that's clear. That's why people have moved away from such churches in droves from the 1960 on.

Vatican II was a creation for the worldly. That was what inspired such. much like Protestantism is all about, spending so much time and energy ranting and raving about religion and tossing the baby out with the bath water.

Nowadays we see the so called churches Sucking up to all of the Worldly trash in fact ! Jews are idolised, Islam is idolised and the Government is Idolised ? What an accoplishment !
Political correctness is idolised ! yet such as that is the Key to how Hitler and the Communist dominated over the people in fact !
So no Political Correctness and people like such would never of came to of had such power over all of the people.

Any worthy Christian knows never to Idolise anyone !
Not to mention never let a Government to dominate over the people, they are to represent the peoples will, who elected them.

Such Accomplished means that one understands what is and is being accomplished.

 

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It accomplished ? Nothing ! unless you understand that Christ is in fact our Lord and Saviour.

No one is Saved unless you are truly Saved regarding the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus, outside of that one is lost regardless, such is of this world under deceptions and delusions as Jesus pointed out in fact.
Christ Jesus brings in the Kingdom of God. Now this has started ! only regarding the lost are under delusions and deceptions of this world. That's the problem, so we had people in the Churches and leadership that were not of Christ Jesus and only of their church denomination, such is a Religious blight ! a ranting and raving like the Jews who were lost and undermined by lack of regarding Christ Jesus.
For no one comes to the Father but through is only begotten Son.

Religion accomplished nothing by it's self regarding God. such is a Mans works Religion ? They think they are bringing in the Kingdom ! But they don't want God in it ? because they do not seek the Kingdom of God, that's clear. That's why people have moved away from such churches in droves from the 1960 on.

Vatican II was a creation for the worldly. That was what inspired such. much like Protestantism is all about, spending so much time and energy ranting and raving about religion and tossing the baby out with the bath water.

Nowadays we see the so called churches Sucking up to all of the Worldly trash in fact ! Jews are idolised, Islam is idolised and the Government is Idolised ? What an accoplishment !
Political correctness is idolised ! yet such as that is the Key to how Hitler and the Communist dominated over the people in fact !
So no Political Correctness and people like such would never of came to of had such power over all of the people.

Any worthy Christian knows never to Idolise anyone !
Not to mention never let a Government to dominate over the people, they are to represent the peoples will, who elected them.

Such Accomplished means that one understands what is and is being accomplished.

To say that Christ atonement accomplished nothing is blasphemous!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

To say that Christ atonement accomplished nothing is blasphemous!

Did I say that ? well mean that in such a way ? truly !

When one does not truly understand the issue ?

One may say that they are going to Heaven ? but why ! Because you believe in a subject that one does not truly understand ? I say that because many will not go to Heaven regarding the issue ?
Now does one have any doubts about who Jesus is ? do they understand that who he truly is, as in regarding that he is their Lord and Saviour period ! Do they have the strength to not fail as of regarding this world, over the Kingdom of God ?
Do they cut the grade to come into the Kingdom of God ?

Now now ! ok one is on or maybe on the right path ? but not yet truly born again ? but if the Spirit is willing all is good.
But what if the Spirit is not willing or lost in religion or corruption, madness ? Child molester ! well disregarding Our Lord Jesus in fact, but saying one is of Christ Salvation ?
How could a child molester be of Christ Jesus ? Because such a one is in fact of Satan, all of them Priest who did such are of Satan in fact and anyone who supported such a one is of Satan in fact ! Such a one is not Saved !

What are they going to say ? Jesus made me do such ? No ! that's a Lie and Blasphemy ! Are they relying on the atonement ?
What atonement ? Christ atonement ? or is such another atonement really ? a religious one ? Religion does not cut it in fact.
Only Christ Jesus does cut it ? Christ means Lord and Jesus means Saviour ? now figure it out.
The Body of Christ Jesus is one who is Saved, because one is in the Kingdom of God and not of this world that is of deceptions and delusions ?
I have no doubts at all regarding Christ Jesus is in fact, but I once did have some doubts, but I strongly believed but I did not know 100% in faith ? So I could of been lost to this world, regarding the temptations of this world ?
But No ! I was transformed and a great gulf was set between what I was and now am at. one does not dine on Vomit, that is for dogs of this world. How can I look up to such as this world when I understand where it is coming from, so I am not of this world.
I am of the Kingdom of God ! Changed ! I am a new man, born again of the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus.

I call it Lordship Salvation ! why ? because it is ! now I have had clowns who reject Lordship Salvation ? but what they are on about has nothing to do with where I am coming from at all, for they have been indoctrinated on some other load of nonsense that is only carnal religious dribble that they claim is Lordship Salvation. for They are off with the pixies. For they are not truly Saved ! they are only religious carnal. This Mob that I know are all about so called Jew worship ? why well because they do not know Christ Jesus in fact, but they have another Jesus and when looking into what they claim, I see they are looking for Jesus and then never had real faith in him in the first place, sure they claim they do. but they reject the real Jesus and they reject the Christ ? They are looking for another, because the original one does not cut it for them ? for they do not know him !
If they have real faith they would be set in Christ Jesus, for they would know him and truly totally respect him ? not to mention live the Life ! and not make excuses 24/7 or dictate over people with stand over tactics like the Jews did. why is this so, well it's because they have no Grace !

But once on is truly saved you have Grace ! because Christ Jesus gave it to you. why because one lives in him and he in you ! big difference than faith alone ? One is not alone in Christ Jesus that's a fact. your Home, your set, your Free from this world of delusions and deceptions in fact ! and it feels wonderful ! only to have one master to truly serve. for you know who he truly is ! for I fear not for this life among the wolves, I know where they are at.
But can you say to me that blind faith is equal to real matured faith ?
Oh ye of little faith ? the Bible points out ! and what about the Faith that can move mountains ? Big difference or is such not ? is it the same.

 

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It makes alive !

Many in false religion deny the life giving effects of Christ's Death, unto all for whom He died. For simply put, He died in order for them to live unto God ! 2 Cor 5:14-15

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Here we have a Truth given that Christ died for all, that He died for, gave His life for Eph 5:25, but what is seriously neglected, is that by His Death for all, its concluded, that all died with Him, meaning, that in His Death for them, God legally declares that they have died too n His Death. Now understand this, its this Truth that exposes the false teaching of those who say that Christ's Death was merely a sacrifice for sin, for that is only a half truth, but not only was it that, it was also substitutionary, vicarious, in that in Him, all for whom He died, died as a result of God's law and Justice against their sins, being now satisfied against their persons, as it was satisfied in His Person. Its like saying that through Him, they have all personally paid the penalty of all their sins, past, present and future, and now its nothing left for them but to be given a New Life, to start afresh, which New Life is granted by New Birth, becoming a New Creation, so it comes into fruition as to the purpose Christ died for them, that they may live [spiritually] not unto themselves, but for Him that for their sakes, and in their stead, died and was raised.Its by this Resurrection they are begotten again unto a New Life. 1 Pet 1:3. The word begotten again in the original is anagennao and means:


to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

This New Life is Granted because that old life of sin against God's law and Justice is dead, and so Paul writes here Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

They have died to the Law by the Body of Christ [His Vicarious Death],to the same thing in 2 Cor 5:14, that they should be married to another [The Son of God] or not to live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them and rose again !

Peter also writes to the purport as the result of His Death 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness[ By a New Life]: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Christ's Death accomplished this New Life for all whom He died, it makes them alive to God.

Rom 6:11


Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

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Forgiven to make alive !

Col 2:13-14

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Who is it that hath been quickened ? Why its them only who has been forgiven of all their trespasses; Yes that's right, for they were not quickened to have their trespasses forgiven, but since they were already forgiven, they had to be quickened or made to live or made alive !

Now how and when were they forgiven, why it was at the Cross, where Christ was victorious over their sins and the law, where He made a show of them openly, of which they can never be charged against us or Him again, neither can they condemn us or Him again, and this goes for all transgressions, past, present and future, and so it behooves Christ as their Saviour to give unto them He died for, a communication of the Knowledge of the remission of their sins Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

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Accomplishments of Christ's Death for those He died for!

When we have been given a good understanding of the scripture by the Author of it, the Holy Spirit, who is promised to Christ's Redeemed Church, and promised to lead it [every member of it] into all Truth relevant for Faith and Practice Jn 16:13; 1 Jn 2:20,27, then, we know that Christ did not lay down His Life for all men without exception, but for the Sheep Jn 10:11-15. This is clearly obvious by realizing the accomplishments and effects it[Christs death] gives and bestows upon them He surely died in behalf of, now understand this , all them Christ died for, tasted death for Heb 2:9, He offered Himself as a sacrifice for, for His Death, one offering for their sins, by this fact we shall know that it was not an offering for all men without exception, because all for whom this sacrifice was offered[in behalf of], are sanctified and perfected by it in God's Reckoning Heb 10:10,14, also having through it, Justification from or remission of all sins, and also by this sacrifice, their sins and iniquities will never be remembered again in a manner of condemnation and eternal judgment, but that this is not true of all individuals without exception is evident from these scenarios yet imminent Matt 25:41; Rev 20:11-15 13

 

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Sanctification inwardly !

Heb 13:12

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

All for whom Christ died, by it [ His Death] it was to provide a inward sanctification as well, not only are they sanctified in the Divine Purpose of God as was Jeremiah 1:5

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

BTW this sanctification applies to all the foreknown People of God Rom 11:2; Rom 8:29, but His Death communicates an inward sanctification which is consistent with the sanctification in His Purpose, hence by His Blood / Death, all for whom He died has their conscious purged from dead works, to serve the Living God Heb 9:14

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Notice what the Blood of Christ is said to do, to purge our conscience. The word purge is the word καθαρίζω and means:


I cleanse, make clean, literally, ceremonially, or spiritually, according to context.

And the word conscience suneidésis:

the conscience, a persisting notion.

properly, joint-knowing, i.e. conscience which joins moral and spiritual consciousness as part of being created in the divine image. Accordingly, all people have this God-given capacity to know right from wrong because each is a free moral agent

The conscience is part of the inward man, and the blood of Christ is said to cleanse it.

Cleanse it from what ? Dead Works ! What are Dead Works ? Religious works performed by dead men, dead spiritually ! Its religion without God given Faith. Its not worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth as Per Jn 4:23-24

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Well, Christ's Blood provides God with those type of worshippers that God the Father seeketh such to Worship Him!

The Blood of Christ sets apart God's People experientially, from dead men religion which is Idolatry. It redeems them from a vain religious life received by tradition of our fathers 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Thats dead works also of Heb 9:14 this vain[devoid of truth] conversation received by tradition.

Now understand this, if each person for whom Christ died, shed His Blood, does not experience this conversion, this Sanctification from dead works, unto serving [worship] of the True and Living God, then His Blood has lost its Value and Purpose, it has miserably failed the Divine Purpose !

But I know that it will, to the Glory of God !

 

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All for whom Christ died and rose again, all of them by the purpose of God, did exist in Him by Purpose and Representation, even when He sat down in heavenly places as Per Eph 2:6

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

This even though they in and of themselves may not have yet been born sinners in the flesh and then afterwards been born again, none of that has to occur for them to be risen together with Christ. In fact the Resurrection of Christ from the dead was their First Resurrection Rev 20:6

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection, or the chief one is that of Christ Himself from the dead as the Head of the Body, His Church Col 1:18

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Notice that this Resurrection constitutes them Priests of God, notice 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

And remember that these were those who had been begotten again how ? By the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,13

 

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It makes them Rich !

2 Cor 8:9

9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that or in order that ye through his poverty might be rich.

This is an express purpose of His Death, or His becoming poor [Phil 2:5-8] it makes those He died for become Rich [spiritually], which richness is the source of their Faith James 2:5

5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

The poor in spirit become rich in Faith, because Christ was made poor for their sakes. The poor in spirit are heirs also stated here Matt 5:3

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

That chosen poor that become rich in Faith are the Chosen of God here Eph 1:3-4


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Being poor in spirit is one of the many spiritual blessings they get according to their choice in Christ !

So Christ died that those He died for might be made rich in Faith because they are joint heirs together with Him of God !

 

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It makes them alive !

All for whom Christ died and rose again, they are already made alive with Him, being made alive together with Him their Head, even though they in themselves are sinners and His enemies by nature. That this is so is taught here Eph 2:6

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The word raised here is the greek verb synegeirō:

to raise together, to cause to raise together

2) to raise up together from mortal death to a new and blessed life dedicated to God

Now this is True of all for whom Christ died for and rose again in God's Perspective !

This was also stated in the OT in type here Isa 26:19


19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Hos 6:2

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

This speaks of those that Christ died for and arose the Third day. 1 Cor 15:3-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

For instance, when Saul, who is now Paul, when he was going about persecuting Believers and consenting to their death, he was already, raised up together with Christ and sitting in heavenly places with Him ! This is True of all those Christ died for while in a state of Nature. This is Grace untold, and a Truth like this cannot be received by the natural man, its foolishness to him.

 

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Blessings of Christ's Death before we believe !

For whomever Christ did die for, the following is True of them no matter what, either before and after conversion, meaning before and after they become believers !

First, its True that He indeed died for them, both in their stead as a substitute and on their behalf, or for their good 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins[By His Death for us], should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Secondly, For all whom He died, He also arose, because of their Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[Because of] our justification.

Many do celebrate easter , supposedly commemorating the Lords Resurrection, but very few understand the True significance of that Blessed Event, for it was the evidence that all for whom Christ was delivered for their offences, that they are now Justified before God ! Yes, even before they believe !

Thirdly, For them, He sits on the Right Hand of God !

Fourthly, He makes intercession for them, and all this is witnessed to by the Apostle here Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again[For our Justification], who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This making Intercession, Isaiah wrote of the same Isa 53:12

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

You see that ? He made Intercession, not for the believers, but for the transgressors, those He bare their the sins, the many ! Any Transgressor Christ makes Intercession for shall be saved by His Life, shall come to God by Him Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Isaiah's here by prophecy is speaking of Christ's Priestly Work for those only that He Represented, the Israel of God, and this Work Justifies them before God or accounts them as Righteous, Yes even before they believe, because its not based upon their believing, but upon Christ bearing their sins !

Notice how Isaiah under inspiration of the same Spirit as Paul, did link together, the bearing of sins, and the making of Intercession in either case this is Priestly Work done by Christ for those He died for before they believe ! 13

 

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Accomplished by Christ's Blood alone !

By Christ's Blood alone, all for whom He died have, even before they are born sinners, and after being born sinners but not yet believers in Christ, in fact, while they are His Enemies by nature, they all have by the Blood of Christ alone: Reconciliation, Redemption, Remission / Forgiveness of sins, Justification, and these are all in a scriptural sense the same, and the result of the Death or Blood of Christ alone.

Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

To say we have Redemption through His Blood, and even the forgiveness of sins, is the same as saying we have Reconciliation or even Justification through His Blood.

Understand, to say that we were Reconciled to God by Christ,s Death, while being Enemies Rom 5:10, is no less or different in saying that we are Justified or have forgiveness of sins while being enemies, by or through His Death ! 13

 

[St. SteVen]

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God.

Quote above from the OP. (Opening Post)
Reconciled ONLY the Elect? (nope)

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[brightfame52]

Quote above from the OP. (Opening Post)
Reconciled ONLY the Elect? (nope)

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Same, the whole world of the elect, Gods elect are throughout the whole world, not just among ethnic jews.

 

[St. SteVen]

Same, the whole world of the elect, Gods elect are throughout the whole world, not just among ethnic jews.

If the Elect were predestined for life, were those not among the predestined Elect also predestined for death?

St. SteVen said:
Quote above from the OP. (Opening Post)
Reconciled ONLY the Elect? (nope)

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[brightfame52]

If the Elect were predestined for life, were those not among the predestined Elect also predestined for death?

St. SteVen said:
Quote above from the OP. (Opening Post)
Reconciled ONLY the Elect? (nope)

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yes they were

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes they were

Is a God that would do that trustworthy?

 

[brightfame52]

Is a God that would do that trustworthy?

Yes