T U L I P explained

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks, I definable don't have a single problem with my Creators scripting evil as part of the plot. They never cease to amaze me when They reveal Their wisdom, display Their power, exercise Their sovereignty and most of all, express Their loving kindness towards Their creations.

Did God design evil as part of the Plot?

I do not think he did that..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Isn't it wonderful that our Creators have, out of Their freedom to choose who They want, for what They want, when They want, how They want, why They want, where They want in order to manifest, reveal and express Their love.

What a love story! And we get to be a part of Their production. This is sooo awesome! Thank You Creators.

God so loved the world. He gave his only son. that WHOEVER BELIEVES will never perish.

Thats love and no greater love

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Initially made wonderfully and without sin then after that later on got corrupted.

Doesn't say without sin- that is you adding to the Scripure passage. I notice you ignored the other passage I cited from David.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Calvin was a lawyer, he saw and interpreted through a legal lens......so did the Pharisees.....and mind you, they weren't all bad as assumed in many Christian circles.
Jesus interpreted and lived through a moral lens, subsequently he could have compassion on those who didn't measure up to the legal model.
Jesus was the brightness of God's glory. In other words, God's glory is to forgive those who offend and lift the down trodden .....even the worst.....and would you believe it, even before they ask or repent. (no doubt that will get some hairs standing up on several necks. )

There is no law against morality. If I give you my life jacket in a sinking boat because there are no others left, that is not a legal choice, it is a moral choice. Jesus gave us his life because it was a moral choice.

And you know Calvin did this how????

 

[Runningman]

Doesn't say without sin- that is you adding to the Scripure passage. I notice you ignored the other passage I cited from David.

Mothers are adults who have no doubt sinned by the time they had children. Doesn't say the child was born a sinner. Even Mary was a sinner, perhaps not a severe one, but surely all by the time they are an adult have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, even Mary.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Mothers are adults who have no doubt sinned by the time they had children. Doesn't say the child was born a sinner. Even Mary was a sinner, perhaps not a severe one, but surely all by the time they are an adult have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, even Mary.

You'd have to show Mary was a sinner by using scripture that says that about Mary.

Luke 1

 

[quietthinker]

And you know Calvin did this how????

Calvin's theology reveals it.

 

[One 2 question]

God so loved the world. He gave his only son. that WHOEVER BELIEVES will never perish.

Thats love and no greater love

Yes, agreed. The Father is glorified in His only begotten Son. And we get to continue in His footsteps, to lay down our life each day for others. What a privilege God has granted us.

I love the fact that we can walk as Jesus walked and do greater things than He did and in the process glorify God.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Yes, agreed. The Father is glorified in His only begotten Son. And we get to continue in His footsteps, to lay down our life each day for others. What a privilege God has granted us.

I love the fact that we can walk as Jesus walked and do greater things than He did and in the process glorify God.

We can do greater things than Jesus/Yeshua did?

 

[One 2 question]

We can do greater things than Jesus/Yeshua did?

If we were to compare us, as the church, to the Christ when He was on earth in the body of a single human, yes.

Now that He's glorified and been given the authority over the church, of course He is doing far greater things than He had the capacity to achieve as God in the flesh. That is, when He humbled Himself and was restricted by His human form.

Isn't it great to be under His authority and to find ourselves serving Him, as a bride is in submission to their groom's authority.

The groom's authority protects, provides and empowers their bride to achieve more than she could without him. And the bride enables the groom to achieve more with her.

 

[BlessedPeace]

If we were to compare us, as the church, to the Christ when He was on earth in the body of a single human, yes.

Now that He's glorified and been given the authority over the church, of course He is doing far greater things than He had the capacity to achieve as God in the flesh. That is, when He humbled Himself and was restricted by His human form.

Isn't it great to be under His authority and to find ourselves serving Him, as a bride is in submission to their groom's authority.

The groom's authority protects, provides and empowers their bride to achieve more than she could without him. And the bride enables the groom to achieve more with her.

I have yet to raise the dead,cast out devils,or walk on water.
Yeshua was not a mere man. He was glorified at his resurrection. And later ascended to his full power as God Almighty.

Being one with his true power while in flesh is how he could raise the dead,cast out devil's,walk on water,etc....

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Mothers are adults who have no doubt sinned by the time they had children. Doesn't say the child was born a sinner. Even Mary was a sinner, perhaps not a severe one, but surely all by the time they are an adult have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, even Mary.

Once again you forget the biblical explanation. People do not become sinners when they commitr a sin, people sin because we are sinners by our very nature!

Ephesians 2

King James Version

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2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Calvin's theology reveals it.

Easy enough to write- now show it. If you could write that satatement, then it means you have read enough of Calvins works to know so. so cite several examples where his writings reveal simply a legal mind.

And why is that a negative anyway? My vocation for 36 years was a USPS letter carrier, does that show up in my writing? does that exclude me from writing on spiritual matters?

 

[quietthinker]

Easy enough to write- now show it. If you could write that satatement, then it means you have read enough of Calvins works to know so. so cite several examples where his writings reveal simply a legal mind.

And why is that a negative anyway? My vocation for 36 years was a USPS letter carrier, does that show up in my writing? does that exclude me from writing on spiritual matters?

I read Calvins institutes 45 odd years ago. I don't remember all the details, and frankly it is not that important to me.
My passion is to see Jesus, not Calvin or Luther or any of the reformers for that matter, interesting though they are. They were men for their time.
All the barking about this one or that one is only a distraction as I see it.

The scripture tells me that in Jesus are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Why would I not learn of him in preference to anyone else's opinion.

I take what is useful and helpful and leave the rest. Calvin was a legal man and his writings reflects it.

 

[Runningman]

Once again you forget the biblical explanation. People do not become sinners when they commitr a sin, people sin because we are sinners by our very nature!

Ephesians 2​

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2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Once again, not what Scripture plainly states. People are fearfully and wonderfully made. In your theology, it would seem people are made totally depraved. God is making people totally depraved and then holding them accountable for it? Your theology shifts all of the blame onto God for peoples' actions.

 

[Cassandra]

Nothing can thwart the will of God...just as His word says.

Isaiah 14​

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14 The Lord will have compassion on Jacob;
once again he will choose Israel
and will settle them in their own land.
Foreigners will join them
and unite with the descendants of Jacob.
2 Nations will take them
and bring them to their own place.
And Israel will take possession of the nations
and make them male and female servants in the Lord’s land.
They will make captives of their captors
and rule over their oppressors.
3 On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you, 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:
How the oppressor has come to an end!
How his fury[a] has ended!
5 The Lord has broken the rod of the wicked,
the scepter of the rulers,
6 which in anger struck down peoples
with unceasing blows,
and in fury subdued nations
with relentless aggression.
7 All the lands are at rest and at peace;
they break into singing.
8 Even the junipers and the cedars of Lebanon
gloat over you and say,
“Now that you have been laid low,
no one comes to cut us down.”
9 The realm of the dead below is all astir
to meet you at your coming;
it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you—
all those who were leaders in the world;
it makes them rise from their thrones—
all those who were kings over the nations.
10 They will all respond,
they will say to you,
“You also have become weak, as we are;
you have become like us.”
11 All your pomp has been brought down to the grave,
along with the noise of your harps;
maggots are spread out beneath you
and worms cover you.
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.[b]
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
15 But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
16 Those who see you stare at you,
they ponder your fate:
“Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble,
17 the man who made the world a wilderness,
who overthrew its cities
and would not let his captives go home?”
18 All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
19 But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
20 you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.
Let the offspring of the wicked
never be mentioned again.
21 Prepare a place to slaughter his children
for the sins of their ancestors;
they are not to rise to inherit the land
and cover the earth with their cities.
22 “I will rise up against them,”
declares the Lord Almighty.
“I will wipe out Babylon’s name and survivors,
her offspring and descendants,”
declares the Lord.
23 “I will turn her into a place for owls
and into swampland;
I will sweep her with the broom of destruction,”
declares the Lord Almighty.
24 The Lord Almighty has sworn,
“Surely, as I have planned, so it will be,
and as I have purposed, so it will happen.
25 I will crush the Assyrian in my land;
on my mountains I will trample him down.
His yoke will be taken from my people,
and his burden removed from their shoulders.”
26 This is the plan determined for the whole world;
this is the hand stretched out over all nations.
27 For the Lord Almighty has purposed, and who can thwart him?
His hand is stretched out, and who can turn it back?

You know alot of this chapter that you quoted refers to Satan, right?(King of Babylon)

 

[Cassandra]

You'd have to show Mary was a sinner by using scripture that says that about Mary.

Luke 1

Does "For all have sinned and come short of the ..." work?

 

[One 2 question]

I have yet to raise the dead,cast out devils,or walk on water.

Personally nor have I. But I guess it must be happening if what Jesus said is truth....And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” Mark 16:17&18

These are the signs that accompanied Jesus's early disciples according to Mark.... After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it. Mark 16:19&20

 

[One 2 question]

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Yeshua was not a mere man. He was glorified at his resurrection. And later ascended to his full power as God Almighty.

Yay! He's my Master and Friend Who I can go to at any time and spend time with, along with our Father. What a privilege hey.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Does "For all have sinned and come short of the ..." work?

Does it?

Mary was a highly favored spiritually dead in her sins woman God chose as she who would bring The Word made flesh into this world?