T U L I P explained

[One 2 question]

Being one with his true power while in flesh is how he could raise the dead,cast out devil's,walk on water,etc....

Again, having received the Spirit after His baptism, He had divine authority to do some amazing stuff, some you have listed. And to think that most were never recorded. One day I hope He will tell us all the things He did down here before being glorified as well as the greater things He's been doing over the past 2,000 years.

To know that this power He had, we have now, is truly amazing. Many don't know or believe they possess it, maybe because they don't know Who possess them. When one comes to believe then the signs or evidence of Christ's power would be clearly seen and experienced.

 

[Ritajanice]

You know alot of this chapter that you quoted refers to Satan, right?(King of Babylon)

I know that NOTHING can THWART the WILL of GOD!?

That was my point?

Do you know that in your heart/ spirit?

Is your spirit “ Born Again “?

How else would one know that Gods will can’t be thwarted, just by reading a Bible?

Can Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit leave your spirit after , “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “?

Tell me what good is scripture without heart/ spiritual revelation ?

You must be “ Born Again “ to see the Kingdom Of God?

You understand that right?

 

[One 2 question]

This is the argument between predestination and free will. This does not mean that God makes believers do everything they do every day.

Would you be able to give some examples of what God makes believers do every day and what He doesn't. Thanks.

This has to do with the Elect being predestined to be saved before God created the world and they will be drawn to jesus.

If God intentionally predestined the elect (a few people) to be saved (from hell), does He intentionally predestine the rest (most people) not to be saved, not atoned (sins erased) then condemned to hell?

Did someone refer to it as double predestination? Maybe they were a hyper Calvinist or something like that.

 

[Rockerduck]

Would you be able to give some examples of what God makes believers do every day and what He doesn't. Thanks.


If God intentionally predestined the elect (a few people) to be saved (from hell), does He intentionally predestine the rest (most people) not to be saved, not atoned (sins erased) then condemned to hell?

Did someone refer to it as double predestination? Maybe they were a hyper Calvinist or something like that.

God does not send anyone to Hell, people choose it themselves.

Ezekiel 18:23 - Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

That's the reason for Jesus's atoning death. God wants mankind to turn toward God, through Jesus Christ. But, stubbornly, men run away from God, instead of towards Him.

 

[One 2 question]

lol..

Matthew 23:37

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!​

Did they not resist the will of God?

If one concludes that it was the will of God for His chosen people, the Children of Jacob to receive their Messiah then I guess you could strongly argue that they resisted the will of God. But I do not, as God hardened their heat, blinded their eyes, blocked their ears (Matt 13:10-18) so that His will of redeeming people to Himself from every tribe (Rev 5:9&10), not just 12 of them. He caused them to experience this so that His will for the wild branches to be grafted in (Rom 1:11-24), would actually happen.

I am soooo grateful and often find myself praising Him for His amazing plan with all it's twists and turns.

 

[One 2 question]

God does not send anyone to Hell, people choose it themselves.

I might have misunderstood you here, but didn't Jesus say that God sends the 'goats' and some 'virgins' to Hell?

I tell you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him!

And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

 

[Rockerduck]

I might have misunderstood you here, but didn't Jesus say that God sends the 'goats' and some 'virgins' to Hell?

Nope. God separates the goats from the Sheep.

Matthew 25:32 - All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

 

[One 2 question]

Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

God has pleasure in the end result, when all will live and be redeemed and reconciled to Him forever after.

 

[One 2 question]

Nope. God separates the goats from the Sheep.

Matthew 25:32 - All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Rockerduck]

God has pleasure in the end result, when all will live and be redeemed and reconciled to Him forever after.

Universalism is false. God sent Jesus for those in this life. One chance, not a second chance.

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

That's true. Book of Life. those that are alive in Christ will live forever.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

God has pleasure in the end result, when all will live and be redeemed and reconciled to Him forever after.

ALL?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If one concludes that it was the will of God for His chosen people, the Children of Jacob to receive their Messiah then I guess you could strongly argue that they resisted the will of God. But I do not, as God hardened their heat, blinded their eyes, blocked their ears (Matt 13:10-18) so that His will of redeeming people to Himself from every tribe (Rev 5:9&10), not just 12 of them. He caused them to experience this so that His will for the wild branches to be grafted in (Rom 1:11-24), would actually happen.

I am soooo grateful and often find myself praising Him for His amazing plan with all it's twists and turns.

Lol

Yes, he strengthened them ( the word harden means to strengthen)

God uses what we decide to do. And then uses that to his advantage. So all things work together.

I am saddened you praise hI’m for sending people to hell with no choice of their own..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God has pleasure in the end result, when all will live and be redeemed and reconciled to Him forever after.

Yet he has no pleasure in punishing the wicked

An evil God would have pleasure in that

 

[Rockerduck]

Jesus even said accept Him or perish.

Luke 13:1-5 - There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I read Calvins institutes 45 odd years ago. I don't remember all the details, and frankly it is not that important to me.
My passion is to see Jesus, not Calvin or Luther or any of the reformers for that matter, interesting though they are. They were men for their time.
All the barking about this one or that one is only a distraction as I see it.

The scripture tells me that in Jesus are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Why would I not learn of him in preference to anyone else's opinion.

I take what is useful and helpful and leave the rest. Calvin was a legal man and his writings reflects it.

Well I read institutes also about 45 years ago and remember little of it. what I can say what are called the five points is biblical and that is why I think they are important, and not because they bear any persons name.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Once again, not what Scripture plainly states. People are fearfully and wonderfully made. In your theology, it would seem people are made totally depraved. God is making people totally depraved and then holding them accountable for it? Your theology shifts all of the blame onto God for peoples' actions.

No people are not totally depraved. People are born sinners by nature as I showed you from Paul

YOu also continue to ignore David wrote this:

Psalm 51:5

King James Version

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5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3

King James Version

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3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

And the context of being fearfully and wonderfully made concerns how we are physically formed:

Psalm 139:13-16

King James Version

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13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

NOT that we were perfect until some time we sinned.

That theology has spawned the heresy that babies if they die before "the age of accountability" go to heaven. IOW they are born saved and then lost that salvation by innocence and have to be born again-again.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Would you be able to give some examples of what God makes believers do every day and what He doesn't. Thanks.

Well as predestination and free will has to do with who will be saved and who won't I cannot. I already explained somewhere that this has nothing to do with our day to day lives. He gives us the right to choose what we will eat, wear, drive etc. If God wishes us to wear certain clothes on a certain day or eat a certain food at a certain mean, He will find HIs way to communicate that to us, otherwise we are free to choose.

If God intentionally predestined the elect (a few people) to be saved (from hell), does He intentionally predestine the rest (most people) not to be saved, not atoned (sins erased) then condemned to hell?

Did someone refer to it as double predestination? Maybe they were a hyper Calvinist or something like that.

Because of the fall of Adam, all are born with a sin nature that is estranged from God as Paul said in Ephesians 2. All of mankind is already lost. We need do nothing to go to the lake of fire, we are already destined for that.

NOw the argument of, "If God knew that and could have done something about it, is that not predestinating them" is adifferent argument for a different thread.

But teh Bible speaks only of the saved being elect, chosen, predestined and foreknown.

Now elect and chosen are self explanatory but predestined is "pro-orizo" which means to mark in advance and foreknown is "pro-ginosko" which means to know in advance through pre-planning. An example is a doctor giving a "pro-gnosis" He knows what will happen for he has a plan that will bring the desired results. IOt is not alike "looking down the tunnel of time" and see how something will happen on its own.

 

[Cassandra]

I know that NOTHING can THWART the WILL of GOD!?

That was my point?

Do you know that in your heart/ spirit?

Is your spirit “ Born Again “?

How else would one know that Gods will can’t be thwarted, just by reading a Bible?

Can Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit leave your spirit after , “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “?

Tell me what good is scripture without heart/ spiritual revelation ?

You must be “ Born Again “ to see the Kingdom Of God?

You understand that right?

I have no idea what you are on about. We have to go through this born again thing every you post and I post. the Lord is my Saviour, and I am born again, but my experience is vastly different from yours.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Would you be able to give some examples of what God makes believers do every day and what He doesn't. Thanks.


If God intentionally predestined the elect (a few people) to be saved (from hell), does He intentionally predestine the rest (most people) not to be saved, not atoned (sins erased) then condemned to hell?

That is basically what Calvin said

Predestination According to Calvin​

According to John Calvin, predestination is God’s unchangeable decree from before the creation of the world that he would freely save some people (the elect), foreordaining them to eternal life, while the others (the reprobate) would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death (180, 184).”

Others have said eternal damnation.

I have only one question.

Assuming God has His chosen already picked to go through eternity WHY would he bar the others from access to salvation and sentence them to death/damnation or hell? (Depending on who you read.

Yes you read that word predestined in the Holy Bible.

Romans 8:29-30 states, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 declares, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will”

in accordance with his pleasure and will His pleasure at denying those he calls reprobates.

So the rest will not make it. Would it have not been better for them to no be born???????
(Ironically it may have been more merciful for some abortions to have taken place. Especially if you have no specific way to know where your child will end up.)

Just imagine getting to the age , nearing 80, where you are seeing the end of your life and realizing that Calvin may have been right because of circumstances beyond one's control it has become apparent that the one thing that was commanded, demanded, stipulated and expected for the children of God was categorically denied a person.

Did someone refer to it as double predestination? Maybe they were a hyper Calvinist or something like that.

 

[Ritajanice]

I have no idea what you are on about.

I also have no idea what your point was?

We have to go through this born again thing every you post and I post.

What do you mean we have to go through this “ Born Again “ “ Thing”? are you being serious, it’s not a “ Thing”. It’s the spiritual birth that we need to see the Kingdom Of God?

I will always post Born Again because that is what “ I” am...and will continue to post “ Born Again “...I suggest you take it up with God as it upsets you so much...no way will I not post what I am because it upsets you!

My spirit has been birthed in to Christ, partaker of His divine nature, there is only one way to be Born Again just as Gods word says....through His Living Holy Spirit!...Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed!
Spirit gives birth to spirit!....Flesh gives birth to flesh.


Please don’t call being “ Born Again “ a “ Thing” as it’s not and I’m “ SHOCKED “ that you called it such!!!

How insulting to Gods Spirit!

the Lord is my Saviour, and I am born again, but my experience is vastly different from yours.

I can see and tell that!

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Literal Bible But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned. King James Bible But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.