Speaking in Tongues, why so many false speakers?

[Hobie]

We see these people doing what is either demon possession or false meaningless sounds and made up gibberish, or worse.

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This is not from God. They make up words, say they are "slain in the Spirit" and fall or cackle with what they call "holy laughter" or go around making animal sounds or roaring like if they are lions.

Are these things really from the Holy Spirit, or from another origin. Is this identical with what the Apostle Paul himself experienced and spoke gratefully about? Lets look in 1 Corinthians 14, where he says in verse five that he would like for believers to speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Notice he says "that the church may receive edifying."

Then look at verses 26-27:
1 Corinthians 14:26-27
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

Notice again it says "Let all things be done unto edifying."

But we also have verse 39 which says to not forbid speaking in tongues, but the next verse adds something important.
1 Corinthians 14:39-40
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

It cannot be said these sounds and words and actions follow what is given, "Let all things be done decently and in order."

Then look at what happened Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon them..
Acts 2:1-10
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Notice that at that time in Jerusalem there were God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. And these people came together in bewilderment, because they "heard them speak in his own language." As the rest of the chapter unfolds it has Peter preaching about the resurrected Jesus Christ with 3000 people being converted and baptized, this is the true power of the Holy Spirit and you see what the true "speaking in tongues" was for, which is not what we are seeing today..

 

[Hobie]

To communicate the early Christians needed to have been given a gift so they could understand the Gospel. So is speaking nonsensical words and utterances with no one to understand or for no practical reason spiritually the same as the speaking in tongues given to the apostles and the early church. Now if we look at the history of the church we find the deception of Montanism in the early church, known by its adherents as the 'New Prophecy'. It very quickly showed itself after the last apostles were gone, and originated in Phrygia, a province of Asia Minor, and flourished throughout the region, and spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire and persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century. It was a false speaking in tongues, much as we see today and was recognized as such, yet spread everywhere.

Now being able to speak to others in their own tongue or language was very important as we see in the instance when Paul addressed the Jews to give them a understanding of who he was.

Acts 22
1Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

So we saw how in Acts 2 when the Apostles heard people speak in tongues that there were coming to Jerusalem, 'Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.' Scripture tells us the purpose and the actual use of the speaking in tongues, it was not just babbling or muttering of foolish nonsense, it had a specific purpose and directed for the understanding of those from other languages and lands, as they heard 'speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.' We read in history how this falsehood came in..

"Now if we look we see the Montanist were led by Montanus who was a just recent convert into the early church when he first began speaking in tongues and 'prophesying' during the proconsulate of Gratus in a village in Mysia named Ardabau. He had two female colleagues, Prisca and Maximilla, who likewise claimed the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. They spoke in ecstatic visions and claimed they received the prophetic gift from the prophets and to have been part of a line of prophetic succession stretching all the way back to Agabus and the daughters of Philip the Evangelist. In time, the New Prophecy spread from Montanus' native Phrygia across the Christian world."[Tabbernee, William. Prophets and Gravestones: An Imaginative History of Montanists and Other Early Christians. pp. 37, 40-41, 89.]

Now this speaking in tongue by the Montanist in the early church was quickly seen for what it was...

"Some of those who heard his spurious utterances at that time were indignant, and they rebuked him as one that was possessed, and that was under the control of a demon, and was led by a deceitful spirit, and was distracting the multitude; and they forbade him to talk, remembering the distinction drawn by the Lord and his warning to guard watchfully against the coming of false prophets....Thus by artifice, or rather by such a system of wicked craft, the devil, devising destruction for the disobedient, and being unworthily honored by them, secretly excited and inflamed their understandings which had already become estranged from the true faith. And he stirred up besides two women, and filled them with the false spirit, so that they talked wildly and unreasonably and strangely, like the person already mentioned. And the spirit pronounced them blessed as they rejoiced and gloried in him, and puffed them up by the magnitude of his promises.... For the faithful in Asia met often in many places throughout Asia to consider this matter, and examined the novel utterances and pronounced them profane, and rejected the heresy, and thus these persons were expelled from the Church and debarred from communion"...Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series: Volume I, Oak Harbor, WA: Logos, 1997, Book V. Chapter XVI.

So there was a tremendous example of the wrong kind of speaking in tongues so that it disappeared from the early church as they saw what kind of spirit was directing these people, so we need to see how it was identified and understood for what it was, and then ask how did it get back into the church as we see today...

 

[Hobie]

Something that I noticed about all of the people under the spell of this power is that they say they are "drunk" or "in the spirit" when they are taken over and they start to say or do erratic behavior, and speak nothing on Gods truth or scriptures. Nothing that would lead you to God and it is just a "show", like the Virgin Mary apparitions, by what we know are unclean spirits that are not from God. It seems many of these preachers theology appears to be derived from New Age beliefs mixed in Ancient Eastern mysticism. Their concept of "born again" christian is more about being taken over by spirits of unknown origins, and talking or channeling in a unknown tongues and physical manifestations that is what can only be described as a being possessed or a trance. What's funny is we know all this very well from the Voodoo and Santeria ceremonies of the islands and we know its origin is of demon worship.

Here is a video on this issue with a description on Truth Matters from Walter Veith:
Now lets take a look at Helen Schucman, "...For the intellectuals, the new age theology finds its modern realization in the writings of Helen Schucman, a psychologist from the psychiatry department at Columbia University. After first resisting the inaudible voice of an Ascended Master, she finally consented to writing the great new age book for the modern mystic - a teacher's manual as to how to achieve godhood, and to become like Christ, able to do all things that He could. The work is known as A Course in Miracles. In her own words, she describes the experience:
'When I was first approached for this task, I had a constant questioning that demanded, "But why me? Why me, when there are so many other good people available?" And the answer came, in gentle support, "Because you wish to know the true me, are willing to serve, and have given me permission to enter your life." Over and over again I was told that because this is a free will planet, all of us must ask to receive the spiritual ones & must agree to cooperate by our personal choice.' [xi]

The evil hidden in this text is beyond description. Playing to the ego of man, Satan uses subtle lies to coerce man into cooperation with his schemes. It is gratifying however, that even Satan knows that man was created with the freedom of choice, and that by choosing the right side in the great conflict, he would have no right to control our minds.

In this channeled work, mankind, through a series of lessons, is initiated into the cultic mindset. Each lesson commences with a chant, reiterating the separateness of body and soul. "I am not a body. I am free" The twin lies of there being no death and our innate divinity are constantly repeated:
'There is no death, because the Son of God is like his Father. Nothing you can do can change Eternal Love. Forget your dreams of sin and guilt, and come with me instead to share the resurrection of God's Son. And bring with you all those whom He has sent to you to care for as I care for you.'[xii]

A further statement is: "I call upon Gods Name and on my own. " Thus making yourself equal with God
The Name of God is my deliverance
From every thought of evil and of sin
Because it is my own as well as His. [xiii] ...."

"...The High Priestess of the modern new age movement is undoubtedly Alice A. Bailey (1880-1949) who received messages from the Tibetan Master Djwal Khul, also known as D.K., who was a pupil of Koot Hoomi. Her famous writings include Problems of Humanity and The Reappearance of Christ. These writings were to prepare the world for a one-world government, one world religion, and universal acceptance of the Christ (Satan masquerading as an angel of light). Djwal Khul claims those associated with him will know him through the office of Alice A. Bailey.

He further claims that:
'I am a brother of yours, who has traveled a little longer upon the Path than has the average student, and has therefore incurred greater responsibilities. I am one who has wrestled and fought his way into a greater measure of light than has the aspirant who will read this article, and I must therefore act as a transmitter of the light, no matter what the cost. I am not an old man, as age counts among the teachers, yet I am not young and inexperienced. My work is to teach and spread the knowledge of the Ageless Wisdom wherever I can find a response, and I have been doing this for many years.'[ix]

The essence of his message was that the new age mystic ideas camouflaged by the outer symbols of amulets and talismans, as well as such new age concepts as astrology, numerology, colour work, card reading, palmistry, pyramid power, natural healing, and eco-consciousness should eventually infiltrate all religions, and fueled by the acceptance of the twin lies of immortality and innate godliness, all would eventually come to accept the false Christ who would lead the world in a millennium of peace.
Djwal Khul instructed his followers to spread these doctrines through every conceivable channel, the media, the entertainment world, institutes of learning, and medicine.... Symbols used by the New Age Movement are essentially the same as those used by the Jesuit Order and Freemasonry, and we can trace their origin to Babylon and Egypt. Freemasonry uses the acronym 'Solomon' and Solomon's temple to give legitimacy to their rituals, but the rituals are essentially the same as found in all pagan secret societies. 'Sol' 'om' 'on' are the names of the solar deity in Latin, Eastern mysticism and ancient Egyptian mysticism. The 'born again' experience of Freemasonry and many other secret societies and religious bodies cannot be equated with the Biblical concept of conversion, since they entail rituals such as lying in a coffin and being raised to a life of enlightenment by a master. Moreover, the temple rituals are precisely those that God instructed His people not to follow since they involve the glorification of celestial bodies. Temple terminology, Mithraism, Eastern Religions, and modern Christianity are all equated in the New Age and placed in the context of Babylonian mysteries, the new religion for the New Age.. excerpted from the book Truth Matters by Dr. Walter Veith...."

We have to be careful and discern what spirits we deal with and not be taken in by unclean ones.

 

[talons]

"Speaking in Tongues, why so many false speakers?"​

To counterfeit the genuine gift of speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance .
Satan wants Christians to believe that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today .
Satan does not want Christians empowered through the Holy Spirit .

I do have the gift of tongues if you have a question for me @Hobie .

 

[Angelina]

I speak in tongues too brother...

 

[soberxp]

I speak in tongues of Mandarin....LOL.

 

[amadeus]

"Speaking in Tongues, why so many false speakers?"​

To counterfeit the genuine gift of speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance .
Satan wants Christians to believe that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today .
Satan does not want Christians empowered through the Holy Spirit .

I do have the gift of tongues if you have a question for me @Hobie .

So do I! Give God the glory!

 

[shepherdsword]

1 Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

It's pretty clear that there is a spiritual gift of tongues that no man(unless given the gift of interpretation) but only God can understand. He speaks mysteries in the spirit. I supposed one unlearned would perhaps only hear what he considers to be gibberish with his natural mind. However, there are rules laid out for the use of the gift. It is for personal edification and not to be used in a meeting

1 Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

The exception to the rule is that he or another can interpret. The reason is that most of the time the gift of tongues does sound like gibberish. It's the reason Paul wrote this:

1 Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Unbelievers will think that it is crazy gibberish.

Blessings

 

[Dash RipRock]

1 Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

It's pretty clear that there is a spiritual gift of tongues that no man(unless given the gift of interpretation) but only God can understand.

Exactly.

These folks are parroting the cessasionists without seeing what all the Lord says about it in His Word.

 

[Rockerduck]

Many Christians speak in tongues, but they don't tell anyone, because of fear of ridicule from other Christians.

Mark 16:17-18 - And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

1 Corinthians 14:39 - Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.