Runningman
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Which one of God's commandments did God create people breaking? If they have a sin nature then there should be some sin with this too.
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This is just silly. The thing I spoke of was the idea that no matter the subject you always bring up that you are born again and I'd bet that most folk here are too. I was wondering it you knew that the chapter you posted was largely about satan. I never see you post about other things,--See? I used the word things. It's not a bad word
It is used often in Latin :res. I never meant it as a cut. I shouldve realized who i was talking to.
Absolutely. We see it played out over throughout history as we have insight into His plot to destroy so much of this planet.
There's a recorded instance where He needed to deceive someone quite powerful and influential so that God can have them killed. So He asked if any angel could come up with a plot to ensure this happens. One angel came up with a plot that satisfied God and God sent them to accomplish this evil plan of deception leading to this assassination.
God loves, but He also hates. God gives and He takes away family, possessions and good health as with Job. God gave him all these good things but God also took them away, including his wife and children.
Some might say that it wasn't God but Satan. That terrible evil spirit took it from Job. But my question would be, is Job a liar? Was what he concluded not truth?
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised” (Job 1:21)
Job was tempted at least 3 times that we know of. But who tempted him? Many would say Satan and I'd agree.Yet others would say that it was God. I would agree with them too. They worked together to test Job according to the record.
It is like a dog owner/breeder/trainer. They raise the dog, train the dog, condition their dog so that it can fetch a stick.
Question: Who fetches the stick? If one says, the dog. That's truth. Yet if someone said, the breeder/trainer I couldn't disagree. For without the owner/breeder/trainer there would be no stick and no trained dog to fetch the stick.
Here's a well known revelation that many children have been taught. God kills children like them.
This one got me. God gets people to rape women.
These are hard to swallow but, 'it is written' in the scriptures so it's hard to deny.
What do we do with these and many other similar kinds of revelations of God?
Do I want to highlight the negative aspects of God only? No. If you read my previous posts the majority highlight the positive aspects and character of God. My hope is to get to know all of God, the Creator of heaven and earth.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau?
ANSWER
Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “‘I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.’” Malachi 1:3 is quoted in Romans 9:10-13, “Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’” Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau? If God is love (1 John 4:8), how could He hate anyone?
When studying the Bible, it is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the prophet Malachi and the apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel”) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called “Edom”) and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9; Genesis chapter 36).
So, considering the context, God loving Jacob and hating Esau has nothing to do with the human emotions of love and hate. It has everything to do with God choosing one man and his descendants and rejecting another man and his descendants. God chose Abraham out of all the men in the world. The Bible very well could say, “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.” God chose Abraham’s son Isaac instead of Abraham’s son Ishmael. The Bible very well could say, “Isaac I loved, and Ishmael I hated.” Romans chapter 9 makes it abundantly clear that loving Jacob and hating Esau was entirely related to which of them God chose. Hundreds of years after Jacob and Esau had died, the Israelites and Edomites became bitter enemies. The Edomites often aided Israel’s enemies in attacks on Israel. Esau’s descendants brought God’s curse upon themselves. Genesis 27:29 tells Israel, “May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed.”
quietthinker
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Born again is about you/ the individual. Don't miss Jesus in all the 'born again' yada yada Rj.....because it's highly possible!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I’ve never said it’s all about me.do you actually understand what I post or is it just yada yada to you?....Jesus is at the forefront of everything...I am no longer, it is “ HE” who should reign supreme in our hearts, it’s our own spirit within us that has been brought from death to life.........by the power of Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit.....
Galatians 2:20
King James Version
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.- Ephesians 4:11-16
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
- Hebrews 5:13-14
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
- 1 Corinthians 2:6
However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
- James 1:2-5
My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
- Matthew 5:48
Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
- Philippians 3:12-15
Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.
- Romans 7:22
For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
- Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
- 1 Corinthians 2:13-15
These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
- 1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
...get rid of our old mindset ,
Without being Born Of The Spirit, we can do none of what God’s written word is saying here can we?
| Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. New King James Version And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. American Standard Version And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, and ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Berean Study Bible Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. Douay-Rheims Bible And be not conformed to this world; but be reformed in the newness of your mind, that you may prove what is the good, and the acceptable, and the perfect will of God. English Revised Version And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God. World English Bible Don't be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what is the good, well-pleasing, and perfect will of God. Young's Literal Translation and be not conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, for your proving what is the will of God -- the good, and acceptable, and perfect. |
Being Born Again Glorifies the Father and His Supernatural Power.
Being Born Again is all about understanding in the spirit and of spiritual matters.
Without the death and resurrection of Jesus, there would be no way back to Gods Spirit....God is Spirit and we are reunited back to Him when he makes our spirit Born Again
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quietthinker
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Let me ask this, is Jesus a tool to get what we want, ie, being born again, or is Jesus the main event?
I would say that being 'transformed by the renewing of ones mind' is seeing Jesus as the main event and believing it, and being born again is the fruit of seeing this.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Jesus is a tool to get what we want, ?your post is worldly therefore makes no sense to my spirit....as it’s “ you” speaking from your own nature/ intellect...your words aren’t biblical therefore confusing.
Thanks for your opinion, my opinion/ testimony/ belief differs greatly.
No Born Of The Spirit....there would be no renewing of anyone’s mind....we communicate with God via His Spirit.....therefore are spiritual children, not worldly children....
One must be Born Again to understand spiritual matters in Gods written word...in other words no Holy Spirit ..who brings us to spiritual understanding/ knowledge.....no understanding of spiritual matters in Gods written word..
Without God’s Spirit we are NOTHING!....dead and alienated from the Spirit Of God.
Ezekiel 36:26
King James Version
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.All power within us is from God.....there is no glory in self...there is NO POWER IN SELF.....only in God/ Jesus.
So Glorify His Name!!!....Always!
Eat, sleep, drink, God and pray for spiritual knowledge and understanding from Gods Spirit who indwells our spirit....
Earthly conversation are so boring....I need spiritual food....not man made rubbish from that Of this world, it serves absolutely NO purpose whatsoever!.....plus it’s confusing !...nonsensical rubbish! always rebuke it in Jesus Name!...Amen!
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quietthinker
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Which I don’t understand, my Lovely!!..
We’re all on our own journey, I have much to learn like everyone else!
quietthinker
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Let's see if we can agree on something and build from there?
Would you agree that being born again is something happening to you ie, it's a subjective experience?
Eternally Grateful
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If you truly believe this, then we can have no fellowship. Death was not even part of Gods plan. We see this when Jesus wept bitterly at Lazarus site, knowing he was going to raise him from the dead.
Death is our enemy, it is Gods enemy too. Thats why he suffered that death so he could defeat that enemy.
Calvinism is dangerous. And makes God out to be an evil God. Who does not love his people..
Rella ~ I am a woman
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If it is written in the scriptures please post said scriptures.
Many, including myself . have no clue as to which scriptures you ight be referring to when you say
"Here's a well known revelation that many children have been taught. God kills children like them.
This one got me. God gets people to rape women.
These are hard to swallow but, 'it is written' in the scriptures so it's hard to deny."
Rockerduck
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That was a spirit, not an Angel, that agreed to make the prophets lie to Ahab. 2 Chronicles 18:18-22.
All five of the doctrines being represented by TULIP are hotly contested, as well they should be, beginning with the concept of Total Depravity. That doctrine posits the condition that the spirit of man created by God is dead in trespasses and sins at the very outset at the individual's birth (or conception). That falsehood is an affront to God that should be rejected out of hand. Vut it isn't and it is the cornerstone of TULIP, making the remaining four false as well.
quietthinker, You have to forgive Ritajanice. She thinks that God is speaking directly to her personally and therefore anything she thinks God is saying must be true. Thinking that God is speaking directly to them personally is one of the most dangerous beliefs that one seeking God can possibly have. It will literally destroy any rational approach to the study of the Scriptures which is the only source of detail concerning God and God's ways.
1. God told Joshua to kill men, women, animals and CHILDREN.
Josh 6:21
They killed everyone, men and women, young and old, everyone except Rahab and the others in her house. They even killed every cow, sheep, and donkey.
2. 1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”
Zech 14:1&2 A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped.
Rella ~ I am a woman
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Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
Those were justified. God was punishing those people. Because the sin of the Amorite was complete.
Thats different than a 39 year old pervert raping a 12 year old girl, or worse yet a 13 y.o boy..
BlessedPeace
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Rita Janice doesn't need forgiveness from QuietThinker.
You have no right to criticize her faith or relationship with God.
Contrary to what you think,Christians do communicate with God directly and God can communicate with us. God can do anything.
Those that need forgiving are the ones who are sensitive to the factor in our faith that is,born again. It is the platform of new life on Christ.
It's enlightening how many here object to that being discussed.
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