Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

[Spiritual Israelite]

Please show just one single instance where changed the scripture like your buddy did?

He didn't. And I'm not talking about literally changing the words of scripture here, I'm talking about making the words written in scripture mean what you want them to mean. Such as how you try to make it as if the Hebrew word "rab" means not all to support your interpretation of Daniel 12:2, even though it does not mean that. You do that frequently. You have to do that in order to keep the doctrine you have all to yourself with your five raptures (LOL!) and all that nonsense afloat.

 

[The Light]

Nothing you say is going to make any sense to me. I already know this.

Why should it. You can't even figure out the Lord is coming when you think not.

Many are called, but few are chosen. Does that mean not all are called or that the number of those who are called, which is all people, is "many"?

Really....................

LOL. Are you a comedian for a living or just on the side?

I'm a stock trader. The comedy is a side gig.

It's clear that no matter what example I give that talks about all of something and refers to the number of all as "many", you will try to get around it. That's what you do.

Many is many and all is all..........just as it has always been.

Neither am I. It's a FACT that the word many does NOT mean not all.

LOL. Then why do you claim many is all as you claim everyone is raised at the same time. Of course scripture says differently

It can be used to refer to all of something or to some of something. Depends on the context. In the context of Daniel 12:2, it's referring to the number of all of the dead being resurrected, which will be "many".

Or you could gain understanding and realize how many are raised at the 6th seal and all are raised at the 7th trumpet.

Interesting how Paul seemed to have no knowledge of these multiple harvests that you believe in. He indicated that the dead in Christ will all be resurrected and gathered at the same time when Jesus comes (1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:22-23)

1 Thes 4:14-17 is the pretrib rapture when the Lord Himself comes at the trump of God.

1 Cor 15:22-23 is the gathering from heaven and earth that occurs at the 6th seal, when the Lord sends His angels to gather the elect immediately after the tribulation and before the wrath of God.

and did not indicate that any dead in Christ would ever be resurrected and gathered at any other time. But, maybe you don't think Paul knew what he was talking about.

The whole Church knew what Paul was talking about. They weren't running around asking about the last trump as they knew it is blown on the feast of trumpets.

That's it for me. I don't want to waste any more time rehashing something that you find necessary to change the meaning of words, so it agrees with your doctrine.

 

[The Light]

He didn't. And I'm not talking about literally changing the words of scripture here, I'm talking about making the words written in scripture mean what you want them to mean. Such as how you try to make it as if the Hebrew word "rab" means not all to support your interpretation of Daniel 12:2, even though it does not mean that. You do that frequently. You have to do that in order to keep the doctrine you have all to yourself with your five raptures (LOL!) and all that nonsense afloat.

rab means many. And it was your buddy that was changing the words. You just change the meaning of words.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why should it. You can't even figure out the Lord is coming when you think not.

I've never said otherwise. The only response you ever have is to misrepresent my view. That shows how weak your own view is.

Many is many and all is all..........just as it has always been.

LOL. A more meaningless statement has never been uttered. There are many people in the world and I am referring to all of the people in the world. So, in that case, many refers to all. But, you are either unable or unwilling to understand this.

LOL. Then why do you claim many is all as you claim everyone is raised at the same time. Of course scripture says differently

Another misrepresentation. Is it on purpose or do you just have terrible reading comprehension skills? I do not say that many means all. I said it does not mean not all. It can be used to refer to some, but not all of something and can also be used to refer to all of something, the number of which is many. It should not be hard to understand what I'm saying and I'm pretty sure you do understand what I'm saying, but your doctrinal bias and stubbornness won't allow you to acknowledge the validity of what I'm saying.

Or you could gain understanding and realize how many are raised at the 6th seal and all are raised at the 7th trumpet.

Was Paul somehow not aware that the dead in Christ would be raised on multiple different occasions? When giving the order of resurrections he only indicated that the dead in Christ will be resurrected ONCE and it will be at Christ's second coming. I guess you don't think Paul knew what he was talking about. There are people like that out there and you might be another one.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul said "in Christ shall all be made alive" and proceeded to indicate there is an order to bodily resurrections. When you continue to read the rest of the chapter you know that it's implied that he's talking about bodily resurrections unto immortality here. He indicated that Christ's resurrection itself was first (Christ the firstfruits) and next in order is all "that are Christ's at his coming". That's it. No other resurrections besides that as you falsely try to claim. Listen to Paul and learn instead of ignoring his teachings and coming up with your own doctrine.

1 Thes 4:14-17 is the pretrib rapture when the Lord Himself comes at the trump of God.

1 Cor 15:22-23 is the gathering from heaven and earth that occurs at the 6th seal, when the Lord sends His angels to gather the elect immediately after the tribulation and before the wrath of God.

Total nonsense that you have zero scriptural support for. In 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 Paul refers to ALL of the dead in Christ. You know that word "ALL", right? You don't know what the word "many" means, but I know you know what the word "all" means. And Paul said the dead in Christ will ALL be resurrected at His second coming. Not some during an imaginary pretrib rapture and some later. ALL at His second coming. One event where all of the dead in Christ are resurrected AT THE SAME TIME. Stop changing what Paul taught.

The whole Church knew what Paul was talking about. They weren't running around asking about the last trump as they knew it is blown on the feast of trumpets.

LOL. Keep making things up if that's what it takes to keep your doctrine afloat. It's all you have.

That's it for me. I don't want to waste any more time rehashing something that you find necessary to change the meaning of words, so it agrees with your doctrine.

You have no argument whatsoever, so I don't blame you for not wanting to say any more. You'll just keep embarrassing yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

rab means many.

Yes, it does. And many does not mean not all. If I say that there are many people in the world I'm not only referring to some of the people in the world, I'm referring to all of them and their number is "many". But, keep trying to make the word mean not all if you want. That's a definition of the word that only comes from your imagination and not in reality.

And it was your buddy that was changing the words.

Nope. False accusation. You have nothing else to offer which has been clear for a long time already.

You just change the meaning of words.

I absolutely do not. But, you do, as I have shown and as everyone else can see as well. And you have no conscience about doing that. It's sad to see.

 

[Mark51]

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

I do not have the same understanding about the “second resurrection” as to what you posted. Consider a brief summary of what I understand.

The 144,000 anointed are of the first and heavenly resurrection. Actually, they do not “fall asleep in death” as most of us have and will. (1 Corinthians 15:51, 51) Compare: Matthew 5:28; John 14:16; Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4.

The second resurrection consists of “…a great crowd, which no man was able to number…,” who “…come out of the great tribulation….” (Luke 12:32; John 10:16; Revelation 7:9, 14) Those determined to be “meek ones” and “upright” will “possess the earth” forever. They “will be left over in it.” (Psalms 37:11, 22, 29, 34; Proverbs 2:21; Matthew 5:5) Compare: Psalms 78:69; 104:5; 115:16; Ecclesiastes 1:4; Isaiah 45:18

The “second death” and the “lake of fire” refer to those of the second resurrection. During Christ’s 1,000 year reign (Revelation 19:4)-without the influence of Satan the Devil (Revelation 20 2)-such ones will have reached perfection. Then Satan will be released to test those of the second resurrection. Many will succumb to Satan’s influences and along with Satan be hurled into the symbolic “lake if fire” of which means a second death-Revelations 20:10, 13-15; 21:8.

 

[Truth7t7]

I do not have the same understanding about the “second resurrection” as to what you posted. Consider a brief summary of what I understand.

The 144,000 anointed are of the first and heavenly resurrection. Actually, they do not “fall asleep in death” as most of us have and will. (1 Corinthians 15:51, 51) Compare: Matthew 5:28; John 14:16; Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4.

I Disagree, I don't see you teaching or belief in scripture

The second resurrection consists of “…a great crowd, which no man was able to number…,” who “…come out of the great tribulation….” (Luke 12:32; John 10:16; Revelation 7:9, 14) Those determined to be “meek ones” and “upright” will “possess the earth” forever. They “will be left over in it.” (Psalms 37:11, 22, 29, 34; Proverbs 2:21; Matthew 5:5) Compare: Psalms 78:69; 104:5; 115:16; Ecclesiastes 1:4; Isaiah 45:18

The “second death” and the “lake of fire” refer to those of the second resurrection. During Christ’s 1,000 year reign (Revelation 19:4)-without the influence of Satan the Devil (Revelation 20 2)-such ones will have reached perfection. Then Satan will be released to test those of the second resurrection. Many will succumb to Satan’s influences and along with Satan be hurled into the symbolic “lake if fire” of which means a second death-Revelations 20:10, 13-15; 21:8.

I Disagree, the second resurrection and second death of the unsaved wicked are one and the same

 

[ewq1938]

Then Satan will be released to test those of the second resurrection.

Nope. satan is cast into the LOF before the second resurrection takes place.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Second resurrection is here:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

 

[Hobie]

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Notice the Second Death is after the 1000 years, they are not at the same time..

 

[rwb]

Daniel 12:1-4 (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Luke 2:25-32 (KJV) And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

The fulfillment of salvation through the work of Christ, when all who would be delivered, those who are found written in the book, recorded through the prophet Daniel was finished through the cross and resurrection when salvation came to the children of God, but began when Christ was born. When Christ was born there was a great war in heaven between Michael the Chief Messenger (Christ) of God, and His messengers, and Satan and His demonic messengers. By the birth of Christ salvation had finally come to the earth for all who are ordained to be saved. The birth of Christ began fulfillment, and the cross and resurrection completed the work Christ was given that the children of God would be eternally saved.

 

[Truth7t7]

Notice the Second Death is after the 1000 years, they are not at the same time..

There is no such thing as a literal 1,000 years on this earth as you believe and teach, Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lord's spiritual realm where one day is a thousand years (No Literal Earthly Time)

When Jesus returns the resurrection of all takes place on the last day, the dead in christ rise "First" to eternal life in the "First Resurrection" the wicked are resurrected to the "Second Death" to the Lake of Fire

 

[rwb]

I think Michael could be Christ but I’m not dogmatic about it. I don’t argue one way or the other.

I tend to think the war in Revelation 12 is a courtroom type war where the fight is structured arguments. I can’t see any kind of chaotic war happening in heaven. I would also say that courtroom would be where Michael takes his stand, and possibly where the dispute about the body of Moses happened.

As far as being SDA, no I’m definitely not SDA and I don’t hold to the teachings of Ellen G White.

And BTW, there’s still an issue with your view having Michael already standing up historically, which would mean Daniel 12:1 is already fulfilled.

The prophecy began to be fulfilled through the birth of Christ. That's when the war in heaven between Michael and His messengers and Satan and his messengers, that has Satan and his demonic hosts being cast out of heaven and bound them to this earth began. (Rev 12:1-9) That marks the beginning of "great tribulation" that would come to faithful saints as the spiritual Kingdom of God is being built as the Gospel is proclaimed in the power of the Holy Spirit unto all the nations of the earth. God gave the church on earth this time symbolized a thousand years, that began with Christ's birth and will end when the last trumpet sounds, to build the spiritual Kingdom of God. When this symbolic time has finished, the last trumpet will sound time for building is fulfilled. After Satan has his final "little season", not for building, but for bringing destruction, then Christ will come again.

 

[Timtofly]

He didn't. And I'm not talking about literally changing the words of scripture here, I'm talking about making the words written in scripture mean what you want them to mean. Such as how you try to make it as if the Hebrew word "rab" means not all to support your interpretation of Daniel 12:2, even though it does not mean that. You do that frequently. You have to do that in order to keep the doctrine you have all to yourself with your five raptures (LOL!) and all that nonsense afloat.

And you twist that Hebrew word to mean all the dead from all of history.

That is not what Daniel wrote. All who are dead at that moment in time. Daniel did not write "all the dead from all time".

So "many" does mean "all" at that moment. All the dead that are still dead. Now if you claim that you have eternal life, now in Christ, you are not part of those many at that last "hour".

You will already have eternal life, then, unless you don't have it now. You cannot have both: eternal life and death at the same time. Those with eternal life now, will not get eternal life again in the future. Why do you think there are 2 chance at eternal life? What is this second eternal life you refer to? Daniel is saying, that is the very first time, some will get eternal life, not that they had it, lost it, and are getting it back again.

You claiming all from all time means "many" is the wrong interpretation. Daniel did not write that all from all time will rise at that time. Daniel wrote that many will rise, and not all who rise will receive eternal life. Some will and some will not. But all the dead will rise, as no one will be dead, after that, but eternally in the LOF or on the new earth. But if you claim you will rise and receive eternal life, then, that would indicate you do not have eternal life in Christ now, but are still dead. None of those "many" currently have eternal life, nor are they redeemed. Daniel was making the point, that is when they are redeemed and given eternal life. Jesus said:

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Do you believe that you will never die? Then you will not be part of that "many" who are dead.

For one who uses the term "spiritual", why are you equating solely the physical aspect of death in Daniel 12? Jesus and Daniel are talking about the same death, even though Daniel is saying they rise out of the dust. Jesus is saying you will not even be in the dust, because if you are in Christ, you certainly will not be in the dust at the time Daniel is referring to. Jesus is practically telling you, that you are not the physical body, that is placed in the earth by physical humans, nor was Daniel talking about physical bodies. Daniel was talking about the soul coming out of the earth. Because that is who the many refer to; many souls.

 

[Timtofly]

Actually, they do not “fall asleep in death” as most of us have and will. (1 Corinthians 15:51, 51) Compare: Matthew 5:28; John 14:16; Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4.

That is an erroneous interpretation of those verses, and John 11:25-26.

Only the OT redeemed "fell asleep in death". They waited in Abraham's bosom, and were all resurrected at the Cross.

Those redeemed since the Cross do not fall asleep, nor are in death, period, once the soul leaves this dead flesh on the earth, and enters God's permanent incorruptible physical body in heaven. 2 Corinthians 5:1.