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[BlessedPeace]

You need to read and study carefully Chapter 10 in Paul's letter to the Romans; particularly Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

If God is communicating with us as you and Ritajanice seem to believe, there obviously is no real reason for Paul to say what he said there. Moreover, there is no need for evangelism, just leave all that to God and His communication with man.

I could never choose to study so as to hope to contain God in a manmade box that dictates God cannot.....

You need to think.


Paul's letters exist because........

he said God talked to him. :)

 

[JBO]

Sorry but that is your opinion, but Gods word says we are by nature, children of wrath!

Your theology says all children who die before some unmentioned in the bible "mystical age of accountability" have eternal life and go to heaven.

Mat 18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
Mat 18:2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them
Mat 18:3 and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[JBO]

I could never choose to study so as to hope to contain God in a manmade box that dictates God cannot.....

Perhaps you could choose to study so as to hope to see what God has said through His prophets and apostles by divine revelation of the Holy Spirit.

You need to think.


Paul's letters exist because........

he said God talked to him. :)

Act 2:43 And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles.

Act 5:12 Now many signs and wonders were regularly done among the people by the hands of the apostles

Act 8:6 And the crowds with one accord paid attention to what was being said by Philip when they heard him and saw the signs that he did.

Paul and the rest of the apostles and some other specially selected persons demonstrated by many signs, wonders and miracles their divine inspiration as God's spokesman.

Act 14:3 So they remained for a long time, speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.

Act 15:12 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

Perhaps you could list all, or at least some, of your signs, wonders and miracles as a demonstration of your divine inspiration as God's spokesman.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I could never choose to study so as to hope to contain God in a manmade box that dictates God cannot.....

You need to think.


Paul's letters exist because........

he said God talked to him. :)

It is a valid question... And there is no containment of God the Father!!!!!

Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

Romans 10 :1 - 16 reads

The Word of Faith Brings Salvation​

10 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.

2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the [a]end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is [b]based on law shall live [c]by that righteousness.

6 But the righteousness [d]based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),

7 or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

9 [e]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

10 for with the heart a person believes, [f]resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, [g]resulting in salvation.

11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be [h]disappointed.”

12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who [i]bring good news of good things!”

16 However, they did not all heed the [j]good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word [k]of Christ.

 

[BlessedPeace]

It is a valid question... And there is no containment of God the Father!!!!!

Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

Romans 10 :1 - 16 reads

The Word of Faith Brings Salvation​

10 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.

2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the [a]end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is [b]based on law shall live [c]by that righteousness.

6 But the righteousness [d]based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),

7 or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

9 [e]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

10 for with the heart a person believes, [f]resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, [g]resulting in salvation.

11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be [h]disappointed.”

12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who [i]bring good news of good things!”

16 However, they did not all heed the [j]good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word [k]of Christ.

True. Psalm 139.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Does God still speak to us today? | GotQuestions.org

Does God still speak to us today? How does God speak to us? Does God speak audibly to people today like He did in the Bible?

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[One 2 question]

Thank you very much.

Yet God has His reasons for doing what He does. Again, for His ultimate pleasure, not ours or anything else's pleasure.

I find most of those I communicate with have us humans at the centre of God's plan, as if it's God's main focus. But we certainly aren't.

According to His eternal purpose and focus it's about the interactive audience, the principalities and powers in the unseen realm. God, through Christ, the Head of the church is revealing His manifold wisdom. I'm so glad for Father, that He gets to reveal Himself, especially His incredible wisdom. Yes, we get the privilege of being used as the means which He chose in eternity. He thought up, designed, created and enables the church to carry out this function and role. Why? To achieve His eternal purpose.

Eph 3:8-11 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Now this makes sense of why God does what He does. Seem it to be good or not good. It's all about Him! And there is none above or over Him to tell Him what He should or shouldn't do. Our God is truly SOVEREIGN!

 

[One 2 question]

Perhaps you could choose to study so as to hope to see what God has said through His prophets and apostles by divine revelation of the Holy Spirit.

You are right. We can get small fragments of what Jesus did in the collection of scrolls from 2000 years ago that we refer to as the bible. But what it records compared to what He actually did is minuscule according to one of those apostles/disciples you refer to.

This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Jhn 21:24&25

Paul and the rest of the apostles and some other specially selected persons demonstrated by many signs, wonders and miracles their divine inspiration as God's spokesman.

Do you know the full list of these other specially selected persons demonstrated by many signs, wonders and miracles their divine inspiration as God's spokesman?

It may interest some to know who they are. Some may want to enquire of these spokesman to find out what God is saying through them. Actually, don't all of God's children want to be led into and to know all truth?

Personally I'm not one of those who would enquire of these specially selected persons but rather I just go to their Source, the Spirit of Truth. BTW, He's very approachable. For that matter, so is Jesus and His Father. We can go to Them with boldness. This is a fantastic privilege. I'd encourage everyone to try this direct approach.

 

[One 2 question]

Perhaps you could list all, or at least some, of your signs, wonders and miracles as a demonstration of your divine inspiration as God's spokesman

Formulas, formulas, formulas! Conditions, conditions, conditions!
My encouragement is to just speak as an ambassador of the living Christ whatever He gives you and let Him do with the truth as He pleases.

I have found it has taken the pressure off me, as it should, and presents an opportunity for the Spirit (through you) to convict the world of sin, righteousness, judgement to come, along with ALL truth, actually.

You are an awesome God loved child of His. Love and be loved!

 

[One 2 question]

quietthinker, You have to forgive Ritajanice. She thinks that God is speaking directly to her personally and therefore anything she thinks God is saying must be true. Thinking that God is speaking directly to them personally is one of the most dangerous beliefs that one seeking God can possibly have. It will literally destroy any rational approach to the study of the Scriptures which is the only source of detail concerning God and God's ways

Ritajanice, again, my encouragement is to just speak as an ambassador of the living Christ whatever He gives you and let Him do with the truth as He pleases.

I have found it has taken the pressure off me, as it should, and presents an opportunity for the Spirit (through you) to convict the world of sin, righteousness, judgement to come, along with ALL truth, actually.

You are an awesome God loved child of His. Love and be loved!

Those were justified. God was punishing those people. Because the sin of the Amorite was complete.

Thats different than a 39 year old pervert raping a 12 year old girl, or worse yet a 13 y.o boy..

So the rape of an individual girl over 12 is ok with God? So it's fine with you if God organises for the rape of boys over 13? In these cases He is justified? How is He justified? How could a loving God be justified even if these individuals were raped being grown women or men? In these recorded cases God did not only allow it but was the instigator. He made the calculated decision to make sure these people were killed and raped.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not true.

For example, God can't Lie, so you just did. (Lie about God)... @BlessedPeace

(Go back and edit the post, before they find out)....

Also, God can't Join Himself to a sinner, unless their sin is forgiven, first., as God does not join Himself to SIN, when its our unforgiven sin that separates us from God.

Consider that a 5 yrs old in Sunday School, understands that Adam was separated from God because of SIN...

So, how is it that "grown up" Calvinists, believe that God can join Himself to Them, when they are not forgiven yet, when in fact God was separated from MANKIND because of Adam's sin..

So, "Calvinism" is a "doctrine of Devils'., and it unbelievably theologically STUPID as well.

Listen....

God made CHRISTians..

Calvin DECEIVES Them.

Amen,

God is perfect. He can not go against his own Justice. His own love and his own righteousness.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Best stay away from the enemies snare...he’s as cunning as a fox, he knows just how to reel you in.....he’s a clever cunning fox....​

Jesus was NEVER drawn into his snare....focus on Jesus and he will flee from you.

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Matthew 7:15-20​

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You Will Know Them by Their Fruits​

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.​

Jesus said we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of Heaven..

You have to know Jesus before you can focus on him.

If you focus on a different jesus. you will never get near him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I knew someone else who posted here their obsession against Calvinism.

Their fixation with a supposed false doctrine they would never overcome overshadowed their own walk.

God can do anything.

For that fact to be held as irrevocable truth one must know what and who God is.


You might one day to read the Bible Books of the Kings.

So God can go against his own justice? His own moral Guide?

Come on.. you do not believe that do you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@BlessedPeace .

I advise you to do this...the ignore button is a wonderful tool!.

Ecclesiasticus 22:13​

“Talk not much with a fool, and go not to him that hath no understanding: beware of him, lest thou have trouble, and thou shalt never be defiled with his fooleries: depart from him, and thou shalt find rest, and never be disquieted with madness.

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Yeah

If we can;t beat them, Lets ignore them.. Instead of trying to learn and be united as a body of believers.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I could never choose to study so as to hope to contain God in a manmade box that dictates God cannot.....

You need to think.


Paul's letters exist because........

he said God talked to him. :)

Yes God talked to men, as he was writing his word.

Gods word is complete.. He is not adding to his word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yet God has His reasons for doing what He does. Again, for His ultimate pleasure, not ours or anything else's pleasure.

Which is the same lie Satan concieved in his heart. and caused 1/3 of the angels to follow him.

God enjoys using you as his whipping boy. to do his every need.

He does not want you to have free will. He does not want you to have any choice. He wants to pull your strings, and use you to pull his sled like a wild animal

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So the rape of an individual girl over 12 is ok with God? So it's fine with you if God organises for the rape of boys over 13? In these cases He is justified? How is He justified? How could a loving God be justified even if these individuals were raped being grown women or men? In these recorded cases God did not only allow it but was the instigator. He made the calculated decision to make sure these people were killed and raped.

No it is not ok with God.

But you need to ask yourself.

Your the one who said that God not only willed that 123 y.o to be rapped. He basically caused the man that did it to do it..

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Does God still speak to us today? | GotQuestions.org

Does God still speak to us today? How does God speak to us? Does God speak audibly to people today like He did in the Bible?

www.gotquestions.org

Our heavenly Father does not speak audibly to me. But there are those times when I am compelled to say or write something that I can only attribute to the Holy Spirit working through me.

So my answer is .. it is made known to me.

Funny and true.

I have written responses to threads on forums and when I started I did not exactly know where I was headed.

Those would include times when I wanted to double check what I was writing and would do a search in addition to looking at a varied supply of online bibles so I could get my wording as it should be... or I wwould be led to a search and to a link that was something I would use.

It NEVER ceases to amaze me that among it all there also are time when something I have written
for some reason comes back up when I am online... something for months, or years ago... and as I start to read
what is written... not cognizant that it was my writing that I say to myself it sounded so good , so spot on, and then I look and see I wrote it....

But it WAS NOT me.... it had to have been the Holy Spirit working through me because it simply did not sound like me.

This is not all the time... but it is often enough that I am so glad what I do on these forums is being watched.

Anyway... in general I heard one televangelist that many on here would not bother to watch I am sure.
Frederick K C Price.

Many years ago he told his story about how he was from the wrong side of the tracks and was living a fast life that included some jail time for stealing a car but he was often wanting to go to church.

Not wanting to be seen he would sit in the balcony, basically in the last row and was always alone.

Then one day while sitting in church he distinctly heard the words... audibly said "You shall preach My word."

He was startled and looked around but there was no one and no where anyone would be hiding. So he did nothing and then again came "You shall preach My word"

For him the rest is history.

His Los Angeles ministry became a megachurch with about 28,000 members and televised services that reached millions world wide.

He died in 2021... from complications from covid.

His son took over the ministry after he retired a few years back.

So.. the point is. When God has something to say.... He will

 

[Ritajanice]

If we can;t beat them, Lets ignore them.. Instead of trying to learn and be united as a body of believers.

Ignore is a fantastic option..that’s why the facility is there.

Praise God for it!

 

[One 2 question]

No it is not ok with God.

But you need to ask yourself.

Your the one who said that God not only willed that 123 y.o to be rapped. He basically caused the man that did it to do it..

I'm more than ok to put stuff out there from different people's perspective.

This is where scriptures reveals a God Who does what some may call evil. But 'why' is my Equestion. Is God justified for doing these not good things? I know He is. It is very challenging I know. But it is in the bible, so bible believers cannot erase what is written. Nor can they add or go beyond what is 'written' either. They may feel somewhat stuck, stuck with the commonly believed idea that God can only do good and doesn't do anything that is not good or evil, whereas God has revealed that He does,
as quoted earlier from the accounts in the scriptures.

I'm just putting the truth out there. What the Spirit does with it is up to Him.