22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truth7t7]

I already refuted your teaching but your ducked around it. You have to! You are fighting with the Scriptures.

You refuted nothing, the "Consummation" is future as seen in 2 Peter 3:10 on the day of the Lord,as you "Force" the sacred text to justify your "Preterist" 66-70AD fulfillment

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Your claim the "Consummation" took place in your preterist 66-70AD Jerusalem is "laughable"

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are "Future" events unfulfilled, as has been shown several times in this thread

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

I have to disagree. The context of Matthew 24:15-22, Mark 13:14-20 and Luke 21:20-24 is clearly the destruction of Jerusalem.

In His discourse in Matthew 23:37-24:2 the Lord warns, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord (the second coming). Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The religious Jews of Jerusalem were about to witness the destruction of their temple. Moreover, that ruination would remain in place from its demolition right up until the second coming of the Lord. The desolation of the temple significantly occurred on the wing of 40 years of idolatrous temple sacrifices (exactly a generation)? The statement “there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” was plainly referring to, and correlating with, the warning He had just made to the religious Jews about the impending destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. It was also a direct reference to Daniel 9.

Matthew 24:1-2 records, “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

Christ was specifically speaking here of “the buildings of the temple” not the city. You cannot anywhere find that Israel is described as this. This is literal precise detail!

Mark 13:1-2 records, “And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here. And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

In this parallel account, Mark corroborates the thought of Matthew.

Luke 21:5-6 records, “And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The disciples then asked two questions in Matthew 24 in response to our Lord’s words.

Matthew 24:3 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”

Mark 13:4 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled (finished or ended)?”

Luke 21:7 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?”

Christ addressed both questions and both eras in chapter 24. However, because of the intermingling of His response, many Bible students suffer great confusion in identifying what aspect of the teaching relates to AD 70 and what relates to the second coming.

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[WPM]

You refuted nothing, the "Consummation" is future as seen in 2 Peter 3:10 on the day of the Lord,as you "Force" the sacred text to justify your "Preterist" 66-70AD fulfillment

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Your claim the "Consummation" took place in your preterist 66-70AD Jerusalem is "laughable"

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are "Future" events unfulfilled, as has been shown several times in this thread

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

When have i ever say "the consummation" was AD70? Where do you get that from?

 

[WPM]

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Please address the evidence instead of always avoiding it.

 

[Truth7t7]

When have i ever say "the consummation" was AD70? Where do you get that from?

I believe I recalled you claiming the "Consummation" took place in 66-70AD with the judgement of Jerusalem, correct me if I'm wrong?

Please explain when has/will the "Consummation" take place, when, how, where?

Thanks!

 

[Truth7t7]

Please address the evidence instead of always avoiding it.

You haven't provided evidence to disprove the presented biblical truth below, because none exist

Your response is empty just as the Millennialist and Pre-Tribbers, void of scripture to prove a claim made

One thing Dispensationalism, Millennialism, And Preterism, all have in common is, they are all false teachings

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

(Future Events Unfulfilled)

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[jeffweeder]

You haven't provided evidence to disprove the presented biblical truth below, because none exist

Your response is empty just as the Millennialist and Pre-Tribbers, void of scripture to prove a claim made

One thing Dispensationalism, Millennialism, And Preterism, all have in common is, they are all false teachings

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Wise People in Jerusalem living at the time Jesus said these words would have fled at the sight of the Roman legions approaching for war. Ignorant people would have wished they had listened as they were carried away as captives into the nations.
Despite these rumors of war coming true the end and ultimate consummation would not come immediately. The Gospel message was being preached where they were sent, so there was still hope for them.
Jerusalem would be trodden down by Gentiles while the Jews were in exile, but those times will apparently come to an end.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wise People in Jerusalem living at the time Jesus said these words would have fled at the sight of the Roman legions approaching for war. Ignorant people would have wished they had listened as they were carried away as captives into the nations.
Despite these rumors of war coming true the end and ultimate consummation would not come immediately. The Gospel message was being preached where they were sent, so there was still hope for them.
Jerusalem would be trodden down by Gentiles while the Jews were in exile, but those times will apparently come to an end.

You follow the theme of Spiritual Israelite in a 2,000+ year gap in what is called "Fulfilling Of The Gentiles" 70AD to a future consummation "Wrong"!

The claim is a fairy tale not found in scripture and you know it Jeff, lay down "Preterism" in 66-70AD fulfillment its a farce, just as Dispensationalism and Millennialism is is farce

Those seen below will be eyewitnesses of Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming, future events unfulfilled

One thing Dispensationalism, Millennialism, And Preterism, all have in common is, they are all false teachings

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

(Future Events Unfulfilled)

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[dad]

Thats correct (No Mortal Survivors On Earth) after the Lord returns in fire and final judgment (The End)

The scripture you present are (Souls) seen in the Lords spiritual eternal realm, they aren't on this earth in physical bodies as you suggest

He returns to rule. A valley opens up near the mount of olives and He judges nations. That means people. Lot's of survivors.

 

[Truth7t7]

He returns to rule. A valley opens up near the mount of olives and He judges nations. That means people. Lot's of survivors.

You will closely note you haven't provided scripture to support your claims, because none exist

 

[dad]

Ah! But Christendom was not against Jesus, but submitted to Him!

The new king of Canada has said he sees the title Defender of the Faith more along the lines of defender of faith..

The last proffesed 'Defender of the Faith' has passed.. Where now are kings and nations submitted to Christ the King?

Pax et Bonum

Seriously, you thought Charles was a defender of Christian faith? Pretty lame.

 

[dad]

You will closely note you haven't provided scripture to support your claims, because none exist

The Valley of Josaphat (variants: Valley of Jehoshaphat and Valley of Yehoshephat) is a Biblical place mentioned by name in the Book of Joel (Joel 3:2 and 3:12): "I will gather together all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Josaphat: "Then I will enter into judgment with them there", on behalf of my people and for My inheritance Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and they have divided up My land."; "Let the nations be roused; Let the nations be aroused And come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side". This location is also referred to as the Valley of Decision.
-wiki

 

[jeffweeder]

You follow the theme of Spiritual Israelite in a 2,000+ year gap in what is called "Fulfilling Of The Gentiles" 70AD to a future consummation "Wrong"!

The claim is a fairy tale not found in scripture and you know it Jeff, lay down "Preterism" in 66-70AD fulfillment its a farce, just as Dispensationalism and Millennialism is is farce

Those seen below will be eyewitnesses of Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming, future events unfulfilled

One thing Dispensationalism, Millennialism, And Preterism, all have in common is, they are all false teachings

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

(Future Events Unfulfilled)

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Hi Truth 7t7.
As I said this my 2 cents worth, not Spiritual Israelites or WPM'S.
Can you blame 1st century Jews for taking Jesus seriously when they heard of war coming with Rome and fled???
Jesus, as far as I am concerned prophesied temple events and exile exactly. He was also correct about the Gospel going to every tribe before the end (consummation) comes. To project his prophesying way past the events of AD 70 is an injustice to that generation that suffered so greatly. He wept over them dont forget.

 

[WPM]

I believe I recalled you claiming the "Consummation" took place in 66-70AD with the judgement of Jerusalem, correct me if I'm wrong?

Please explain when has/will the "Consummation" take place, when, how, where?

Thanks!

No. I have never said that - ever. I don't know where you got that.

 

[WPM]

You haven't provided evidence to disprove the presented biblical truth below, because none exist

Your response is empty just as the Millennialist and Pre-Tribbers, void of scripture to prove a claim made

One thing Dispensationalism, Millennialism, And Preterism, all have in common is, they are all false teachings

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

(Future Events Unfulfilled)

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

It is you that takes the Dispensationalist gap-theory position.

 

[covenantee]

Please address the evidence instead of always avoiding it.

He has no recourse, other than endless regurgitated denial and pp (preterist paranoia).

"Evidence" is not in his lexicon.

 

[Philip James]

Seriously, you thought Charles was a defender of Christian faith? Pretty lame.

Actually my point is that he is not, but his mother was.

Pax et Bonum

 

[dad]

Actually my point is that he is not, but his mother was.

Pax et Bonum

Since the greater context here was that you claimed Christ was now ruling the planet and has been for 1000 years the monarchy in the UK does not matter. I simply am not impressed by Camila, Prince Philip or Charles etc.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hi Truth 7t7.
As I said this my 2 cents worth, not Spiritual Israelites or WPM'S.
Can you blame 1st century Jews for taking Jesus seriously when they heard of war coming with Rome and fled???
Jesus, as far as I am concerned prophesied temple events and exile exactly. He was also correct about the Gospel going to every tribe before the end (consummation) comes. To project his prophesying way past the events of AD 70 is an injustice to that generation that suffered so greatly. He wept over them dont forget.

Your response is in complete "Disregard" of the scripture before your eyes

The "Future" generation seen below will witness Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming

Did the 66-70AD generation "Look Up And Witness The Second Coming" (100% No) As You Act As If This Scriptural Fact Is Non-Existant

Those seen below will be eyewitnesses of Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming, future events unfulfilled

One thing Dispensationalism, Millennialism, And Preterism, all have in common is, they are all false teachings

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

(Future Events Unfulfilled)

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[covenantee]

Hi Truth 7t7.
As I said this my 2 cents worth, not Spiritual Israelites or WPM'S.
Can you blame 1st century Jews for taking Jesus seriously when they heard of war coming with Rome and fled???
Jesus, as far as I am concerned prophesied temple events and exile exactly. He was also correct about the Gospel going to every tribe before the end (consummation) comes. To project his prophesying way past the events of AD 70 is an injustice to that generation that suffered so greatly. He wept over them dont forget.

You'll have no luck, bro.

You're dealing with complete irrationality.