The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[Ronald Nolette]

What in the world are you even talking about? Are you trying to deny what Galatians 3 verses 16 and 29 say?

No, just your interpretation of it.

As for Jacob and Isaac...have you never read this...

So are you saying God has revoked the eternal promises He made to the nation of Israel?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, just your interpretation of it.

How do you interpret them Galatians 3:16 and Galatians 3:29 exactly?

So are you saying God has revoked the eternal promises He made to the nation of Israel?

Of course not. Why do people on here ask other Christians if they think God doesn't keep His promises? It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to ask of other Christians. We all believe He keeps His promises, but we just don't have the same understanding of His promises and who His promises are made to sometimes. In my view, the way that God keeps His eternal promises made to Israel is by way of having His Son die for their sins while giving them all the opportunity for eternal life. What more can He do to keep His promises than that?

 

[Keraz]

So are you saying God has revoked the eternal promises He made to the nation of Israel?

God will keep His Promises to the true Israelites, who are His faithful people. Soon to become a proper country, In the new nation of Beulah -Isaiah 62:1-5 But for now - still scattered around the world.

He will also keep what His Prophets said about the House of Judah, and only a remnant of the Jews will survive.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

How do you interpret them Galatians 3:16 and Galatians 3:29 exactly?


Of course not. Why do people on here ask other Christians if they think God doesn't keep His promises? It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to ask of other Christians. We all believe He keeps His promises, but we just don't have the same understanding of His promises and who His promises are made to sometimes. In my view, the way that God keeps His eternal promises made to Israel is by way of having His Son die for their sins while giving them all the opportunity for eternal life. What more can He do to keep His promises than that?

Well why don't you read the specific promises He made to Israel that concern far more than just their redemption. And you are implying that you have better understanding of how God keeps His promises than most others.

As for Gal. 3:16- I do not interpret it but accept it as written. It is not hard to understand.

Same with Gal. 3:29. Go read Gods promise to Abraham and you will see. His promise to Abraham is different than His promises to the nation of Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God will keep His Promises to the true Israelites, who are His faithful people. Soon to become a proper country, In the new nation of Beulah -Isaiah 62:1-5 But for now - still scattered around the world.

He will also keep what His Prophets said about the House of Judah, and only a remnant of the Jews will survive.

So you go in and out of literal interpretation about Israel when it suits your own theories.

And sorry but Beulah is merely a description of Israel. If you had bothered to use rules of hermeneutics and basic grammar, you would see that Beulah is a description for the promised land and not a new nation.

Isaiah 62:4
Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

He is talking to ethnic Israel and describing the land beulah which means beuatiful.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well why don't you read the specific promises He made to Israel that concern far more than just their redemption. And you are implying that you have better understanding of how God keeps His promises than most others.

No, I'm saying that about Paul and I agree with Paul.

As for Gal. 3:16- I do not interpret it but accept it as written. It is not hard to understand.

LOL. So, why do you apply the promises to Abraham and his seed to anyone but Christ and those who belong to Christ? Do you think Paul didn't know what he was talking about? Do you think maybe Paul had a better understanding of the Old Testament prophecies than we do?

Same with Gal. 3:29. Go read Gods promise to Abraham and you will see. His promise to Abraham is different than His promises to the nation of Israel.

What promises are you talking about then? Is it too much trouble for you to be specific about anything?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, I'm saying that about Paul and I agree with Paul.

WEll you don't for Paul says ALL Israel in the future will be saved! Maybe you should read romans 9-11 more carefully.

LOL. So, why do you apply the promises to Abraham and his seed to anyone but Christ and those who belong to Christ? Do you think Paul didn't know what he was talking about? Do you think maybe Paul had a better understanding of the Old Testament prophecies than we do?

Cuz there were more than one promise made to Abraham. One is the Land of Israel which was confirmed to Isaac , then Jacob . It was an eternal promise- the land of Israel belongs to ethnic Israel and the saved of Israel before and after teh church will inherit that land.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

WEll you don't for Paul says ALL Israel in the future will be saved! Maybe you should read romans 9-11 more carefully.

You clearly need to read it more carefully because you have the wrong Israel in mind. It's the Israel of which not all of the nation of Israel is part (Romans 9:6-8) that is saved and will be saved!

Read my original post in this thread to learn more: All Israel will be saved!

Cuz there were more than one promise made to Abraham. One is the Land of Israel which was confirmed to Isaac , then Jacob . It was an eternal promise- the land of Israel belongs to ethnic Israel and the saved of Israel before and after teh church will inherit that land.

Do you have the same understanding that Abraham had when he realized that he was a stranger on this earth and he then looked forward to a heavenly country instead?

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[a] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore. 13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.