Why Antiochus Epiphanes IV Is Not The Little Horn - Part I: "in the latter time of their kingdom"

[tailgator]

The little horn is in need of a host so that the daily sacrifice can be abolished altogether.

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If he doesn't,he will be out of a job.

 

[Brakelite]

You are being philosophical. If you wish to make a bible based point of past fulfillment, copy and paste the need to copy paste specific scripture.

No need to copy paste. Daniel.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The little horn dwells among the ten horns today.
None of them have been destroyed and are not destroyed till Christ comes.

You are in the wrong time period my friend.The beast is alive and well.

None of the Beasts that Revelation or Daniel spoke of survived past AD 70. That is because Christ the "stone" kingdom struck the feet of Daniel's image and the ENTIRE IMAGE was broken to pieces together, with the dust of it blowing away like chaff on the wind. Christ the "stone" kingdom has continually been growing in size since AD 70, with the destined purpose of filling the whole earth with its effects, as Daniel 2:35 predicted, and as Christ confirmed with His leaven and mustard seed parables. Whether you realize it or not, you and I are fortunate enough to be living in this period of time when the "rock" kingdom of Christ has continued to steadily increase.

The Beasts have not been a threat since AD 70.

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

These 10 horns with NO CROWNS on the Scarlet Beast were overcome back in AD 70. They were not the same as the 10 CROWNED Roman emperor horns on the Sea Beast of Rev. 13.

The Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast's 10 horns with NO CROWNS were the 10 generals chosen in Jerusalem to prepare the various districts in Israel for the war with Rome (Josephus lists all 10 of these). They only had power for "ONE HOUR with the Beast". And that Scarlet Beast was "ABOUT TO arise from the abyss and go into destruction" soon after in John's days. That very brief "ONE HOUR" of time in power with the Scarlet Beast lasted only until that Scarlet Beast went into destruction - heads, horns, harlot, and all in AD 70.

 

[tailgator]

None of the Beasts that Revelation or Daniel spoke of survived past AD 70. That is because Christ the "stone" kingdom struck the feet of Daniel's image and the ENTIRE IMAGE was broken to pieces together, with the dust of it blowing away like chaff on the wind. Christ the "stone" kingdom has continually been growing in size since AD 70, with the destined purpose of filling the whole earth with its effects, as Daniel 2:35 predicted, and as Christ confirmed with His leaven and mustard seed parables. Whether you realize it or not, you and I are fortunate enough to be living in this period of time when the "rock" kingdom of Christ has continued to steadily increase.

The Beasts have not been a threat since AD 70.

These 10 horns with NO CROWNS on the Scarlet Beast were overcome back in AD 70. They were not the same as the 10 CROWNED Roman emperor horns on the Sea Beast of Rev. 13.

The Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast's 10 horns with NO CROWNS were the 10 generals chosen in Jerusalem to prepare the various districts in Israel for the war with Rome (Josephus lists all 10 of these). They only had power for "ONE HOUR with the Beast". And that Scarlet Beast was "ABOUT TO arise from the abyss and go into destruction" soon after in John's days. That very brief "ONE HOUR" of time in power with the Scarlet Beast lasted only until that Scarlet Beast went into destruction - heads, horns, harlot, and all in AD 70.

Last time I looked,the ten horns are just fine.The little horn is having issues but im sure he will iron them out soon.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Last time I looked,the ten horns are just fine.

You are not paying any attention at all to the time-relevant terms surrounding those 10 horns on the Scarlet Beast in Rev. 17. The Scarlet Beast which had those 10 uncrowned horns was not in existence when John was writing, (it once "WAS" but "IS NOT" in John's days). However, for John's immediate audience, the Scarlet Beast was "ABOUT TO ARISE from the abyss and GO INTO DESTRUCTION" (Rev. 17:8). During John's days, that was a SOON-TO-COME revival AND destruction for the Scarlet Beast and its 10 horns. These 10 horns were to give their power simultaneously to the Scarlet Beast for only "ONE HOUR" before it was destroyed back then.

You can't extend that brief "ONE HOUR" of existence for the Scarlet Beast's 10 horns in John's days into our own future - far distant from the first-century time that the Scarlet Beast and its horns and the harlot were all destroyed.

You have arbitrarily decided to assign this 10-horn identity to something which exists today, and it can't be done, according to the time-relevant language in Revelation.

 

[tailgator]

You are not paying any attention at all to the time-relevant terms surrounding those 10 horns on the Scarlet Beast in Rev. 17. The Scarlet Beast which had those 10 uncrowned horns was not in existence when John was writing, (it once "WAS" but "IS NOT" in John's days). However, for John's immediate audience, the Scarlet Beast was "ABOUT TO ARISE from the abyss and GO INTO DESTRUCTION" (Rev. 17:8). During John's days, that was a SOON-TO-COME revival AND destruction for the Scarlet Beast and its 10 horns. These 10 horns were to give their power simultaneously to the Scarlet Beast for only "ONE HOUR" before it was destroyed back then.

You can't extend that brief "ONE HOUR" of existence for the Scarlet Beast's 10 horns in John's days into our own future - far distant from the first-century time that the Scarlet Beast and its horns and the harlot were all destroyed.

You have arbitrarily decided to assign this 10-horn identity to something which exists today, and it can't be done, according to the time-relevant language in Revelation.

As I said,the ten horns are just fine.
The little horn is having issues but he will work things out.He does need a host though.

After the beast is destroyed,the kingdom will be given to the saints whom it was promised so long ago and they shall dwell there forever.

 

[Phoneman777]

For the time of the end, when the little horn person will be broken by Jesus.

Does the text say "when the horn person will be broken" shall be for many days, as you claim?

It says "and the VISION of the evening and the morning...shall be for many days" aka "the distant future". Did Daniel see anything in the "VISION" about the horn being broken?

NO! The vision contains nothing about a horn "being broken" - Gabriel added that in his explanation.

Understand? Yes, it's the "evening and the morning" aka "2300 Days" which extend to "at the time of the end" and is not to be for "many days" or "the distant future".

THIS IS UNDENIABLE PROOF THE 2300 EVENINGS/MORNINGS CANNOT BE LITERAL TIME, FOR THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN EXTEND DOWN TO "THE TIME OF THE END" IN THE "DISTANT FUTURE" IS IF THEY ARE SYMBOLS FOR 2300 YEARS, WHICH THEY ARE.

 

[Douggg]

It says "and the VISION of the evening and the morning...shall be for many days." Did Daniel see anything in the "VISION" about the horn being broken? No. Gabriel added that in his explanation.

Understand? Yes, it's the "evening and the morning" aka "2300 Days" which extend to "at the time of the end" and is not to be for "many days" or "the distant future".

No, it does not say the 2300 days "extend to" the time of the end.

The vision is sealed until the time of the end.

The 2300 days are not years, they are days.

 

[Phoneman777]

The little horn is the Israeli government which scripture shows will persecute the saints in Israel for 42 months before the coming of Christ.

The other ten horns are Muslim nations we which dwell in the kingdom with the little horn .

None of that happened when Rome - the Fourth Beast out of which arose the Ten Horns - fell down. No serious prophecy student denies the fact that the kingdoms in the prophecies of Daniel always rise immediately as the previous kingdom falls which is true of the Ten Horns which stood after the fall of Rome.

Now, what did happen when Rome fell is that the Ten Barbarian tribes began to fight until the Little Horn papacy arose among them, uprooted three of them who refused to cooperate, and then took control of those who remained. You know where the term "vandalism" comes from? The Vandals - one of the barbarian Horns destroyed by the papacy - were going around breaking up the pagan statues that the papacy dragged into the churches for people to bow down to.

 

[Phoneman777]

No it does not. mean 'cut off".

Daniel 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

H2852 - ḥāṯaḵ - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

H2852 - חָתַךְ châthak, khaw-thak'; a primitive root; properly, to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree:—determine.

www.blueletterbible.org

חָתַךְ châthak, khaw-thak'; a primitive root; properly, to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree:—determine.

You really gonna argue with Strong - or Gesenius, one of the greatest Hebraist minds ever? The word means "cut off" - the 70 Weeks are "cut off" from the only other prophecy within a mile of them: the 2300 Days, which means both prophetic periods must be symbolic for years.

 

[Phoneman777]

Futurism is akin to a spiritualist version of pin the tail on the donkey. Blindly wandering through scripture and taking stabs in the dark based on imagination and fictional movies and books. The time of the second coming is closer than any of you think. Time to get serious about seeking truth, and cast off from you the clairvoyance and wizardry you are placing your hopes on.
@Phoneman777 keep up your truth telling bro. Your historicist hermeneutic is unanswerable.

To God be the glory, brother!

 

[tailgator]

None of that happened when Rome - the Fourth Beast out of which arose the Ten Horns - fell down. No serious prophecy student denies the fact that the kingdoms in the prophecies of Daniel always rise immediately as the previous kingdom falls which is true of the Ten Horns which stood after the fall of Rome.

Now, what did happen when Rome fell is that the Ten Barbarian tribes began to fight until the Little Horn papacy arose among them, uprooted three of them who refused to cooperate, and then took control of those who remained. You know where the term "vandalism" comes from? The Vandals - one of the barbarian Horns destroyed by the papacy - were going around breaking up the pagan statues that the papacy dragged into the churches for people to bow down to.

What if the four kingdoms to rise were not from all over the world?what if they were from the same geography?

The three horns the little horn defeated were Syria,Egypt and Jordan.It took place in 1967 when the little horn took control of the seven hilled city of Jerusalem.


Have you ever noticed Jesus never had a bad word to say about Rome,but he blamed Jerusalem for killing all his apostles and prophets?

 

[Phoneman777]

No, it does not say the 2300 days "extend to" the time of the end.

The vision is sealed until the time of the end.

The 2300 days are not years, they are days.

Daniel 8:26 KJV
[26] And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Do you see it now?

Trying to deprogram those who are seduced by Jesuit ideas is like herding cats...but I can't in good conscience not at least make an attempt to help you guys.

 

[Phoneman777]

What if the four kingdoms to rise were not from all over the world?what if they were from the same geography?

Prophecy tells you that they're Babylon, MP, Greece, Rome, etc. No need to guess.

The three horns the little horn defeated were Syria,Egypt and Jordan.It took place in 1967 when the little horn took control of the seven hilled city of Jerusalem.

The ten horns are sticking out the head of the Fourth Beast - the Roman Empire. Any thinking person understands that when Rome fell, we are to look to see if there were Ten kingdoms which stood over the ruins of it, and when we look we see ten barbarian tribes doing just that.

Have you ever noticed Jesus never had a bad word to say about Rome,but he blamed Jerusalem for killing all his apostles and prophets?

That's because Rome didn't kill too many Jew prophets - the Jewish religious authorities did with the same vigor and hatred of truth as the papacy when it was killing the 75 - 150 MILLION innocent Christian "heretics".

 

[Douggg]

You really gonna argue with Strong - or Gesenius, one of the greatest Hebraist minds ever? The word means "cut off" - the 70 Weeks are "cut off" from the only other prophecy within a mile of them: the 2300 Days, which means both prophetic periods must be symbolic for years.

I am going with what the kjv translators wrote which is "determined" in Daniel 9:24.

The 2300 days is days, not years.

 

[covenantee]

I am going with what the kjv translators wrote which is "determined" in Daniel 9:24.

The 2300 days is days, not years.

Your 70 weeks are not determined.

Your 70th week is decapitated.

So you're not "going with what the kjv translators wrote".

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 8:26 KJV
[26] And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Do you see it now?

Trying to deprogram those who are seduced by Jesuit ideas is like herding cats...but I can't in good conscience not at least make an attempt to help you guys.

I see it.The prophecy is concerning the end times.Its like Daniel ,11.
Most people believe the private interpretation of Jason of Cyrene,a Hellenistic Jew who's works are lost.but were used to write maccabees.
Few people pay attention to Daniel 11 though it also is about the end times.Ive been watching that chapter being fulfilled .


Daniel 8:4
He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people.





Since the start of Israel's war with Hamas on October 7, 2023, the United States has enacted legislation providing at least $12.5 billion in military aid to Israel, which includes $3.8 billion from a bill in March 2024 (in line with the current MOU) and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriations act in April 2024.May 31, 2024



It's not over,wait till the United States gives netanyahu an army.Probanly next year.

 

[tailgator]

Prophecy tells you that they're Babylon, MP, Greece, Rome, etc. No need to guess.

The ten horns are sticking out the head of the Fourth Beast - the Roman Empire. Any thinking person understands that when Rome fell, we are to look to see if there were Ten kingdoms which stood over the ruins of it, and when we look we see ten barbarian tribes doing just that.

That's because Rome didn't kill too many Jew prophets - the Jewish religious authorities did with the same vigor and hatred of truth as the papacy when it was killing the 75 - 150 MILLION innocent Christian "heretics".

Prophecy tells me the king of Babylon will be smiting Palestinians today and tomorrow.He will continue to smite Palestinians with his rod till the nations rise up and destroy him.Then the Lord comes and establish Zion.


Isaiah 14
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 8:26 KJV
[26] And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Do you see it now?

Trying to deprogram those who are seduced by Jesuit ideas is like herding cats...but I can't in good conscience not at least make an attempt to help you guys.

I don't know if you have noticed or not but the little horn is given a host,so that the daily sacrifice is abolished.

Daniel 8:12
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.


This host in Daniel 8:12 which abolishes the daily sacrifice is the armed forces of the king of the north in Daniel 11.

Daniel 11:31
31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.




This takes place 3.5 years before the time of the end and marks the beginning of the tribulation of the christians in Israel.They are to be imprisoned and killed as Daniel 11:33-35 shows.These armed forces given to the little horn corresponds to the second beast in revelation 13 which practices the authority of the first beast in revelation 13 on its behalf.That is when everyone In Israel is to recieve the mark of the beast.That is when the church in Israel is persecuted.


Daniel 11:33
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.


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Revelation 13:10
Anyone who is destined for prison will be taken to prison. Anyone destined to die by the sword will die by the sword. This means that God’s holy people must endure persecution patiently and remain faithful.





After 42 months ,both these beasts,which is the little horn and the host are consumed in fire.I believe the host will be given to israel next year by president Trump who believes and has said he is the only one who can keep Israel safe.

 

[Phoneman777]

I am going with what the kjv translators wrote which is "determined" in Daniel 9:24.

The 2300 days is days, not years.

Can't help but notice you don't offer anything to disprove my specific reasons except to say essentially "you're wrong" - which only confirms for those who know the truth that the truth is known to them.

You can't "cut off" 490 years from 6.3 years.