Very nice and thank you! I have interpreted this verse a little differently than you have... just another view. But since the Levitical ceremonies provided us with the way the Sanctuary was to be cleansed - by the sprinkling of the blood of the lamb, and since those ceremonies were a "type and shadow" of the coming Messiah and how He would cleanse the Sanctuary once and for all, I believe this refers to His blook sacrifice on the cross. If we accept His sacrifice, it will cleanse us from our sins. Thus, this time element refers directly to Jesus and His sacrifice which would do away with the Levtical ceremonies.
Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple
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David in NJ
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Please post the scripture of "the Final Judgment of God's Temple in Revelation"= thank You
David in NJ
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We, who are in CHRIST are Living Stones built upon the Apostles and Prophets, Christ being the Chief Cornerstone make up the Temple of God - AMEN
i do not SEE a Temple cleansing verse in Rev ch20
BUT i do SEE this in = 1 Peter 4:17
For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? Now
“If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.
Therefore, pre-trib rapture is proven to never come out of the Mouth of God.
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That's only an 'affirmation' type statement, which does not always mean it is true. It is only said in hope... that it is true, that's what an affirmation is.
The Truth is that it is impossible for Jesus to have fulfilled the final 70 "week", simply because He had already been crucified on the cross to end the 69th week. And... the events of the final 70th week is what the coming Antichrist will fulfill.
And my Lord Jesus Christ is NOT... the Antichrist for the coming "great tribulation".
Those you are listening to serve the devil, plain and simple.
That figures, you believe false ones about Jesus' Ministry including the 70th final week when those events are what the coming Antichrist will do at the end, so... I guess you think it's alright to believe man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory too. Deceived with one doctrine, might as well be deceived with another. I wonder what other false doctrines of men you are learning from those charlatans you listen to.
Spiritual Israelite
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Jesus was NOT crucified at the end of the 69th week. That's a doctrine of demons who have convinced you to not even understand something as simple as what the word "after" means. It says He would be cut off some time AFTER the end of the 69th week, so that places His death some time within the 70th week. To place His death at the end of the 69th week blatantly contradicts what the text actually says.
Lord Jesus was... crucified to END the 69th week. And this very easy to know, simply because the events of the Dan.9 prophecy after mention of His being "cut off" (crucified) is all about the working of antichrists.
Dan 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
The "people of the prince" that destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D. WAS NOT JESUS. It was the Roman army led by general Titus..
That part in purple, "the end thereof shall be with a flood, ...", is about the very end of this world when the final Antichrist comes in LIKE a flood. Even Rev.12 tells us that old serpent will cast waters AS a flood after God's people who keep His commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV
The above 27th verse especially... is a WORKING BY THE FINAL ANTICHRIST at the end of this world, in JERUSALEM among the UNBELIEVING JEWS.
It involves the placing of the IDOL abomination inside a new Jewish temple the Antichrist will come to build with the ORTHODOX JEWS for the end, and will allow those Jews to start up old covenant temple worship again, with sacrifices. Then that final Antichrist will END THOSE SACRIFICES of the Jews in Jerusalem, and will instead place that "abomination of desolation" IDOL IN THE HOLY PLACE, LIKE JESUS SAID...
Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:
KJV
You show all you are doing is just heeding what the FALSE JEWS have taught you against my Lord Jesus.
David in NJ
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Davy,
Instead of bashing and trashing, it is in everyone's best interest to carefully examine the scriptures that Speak of:
a.) He came to His own, the seed of Abraham, and to the holy city Jerusalem for Temple Cleansing and for the nation of Israel
a.) the Finished Work of CHRIST to bring an end to sin on the CROSS = "Messiah is Cut-off but not for Himself"
b.to Bring in Everlasting Righteousness of God in CHRIST JESUS our LORD
c.) MESSIAH's Ascension to anoint the Holy Place with His own Blood
d.) to Anoint His Body with the Outpouring of the Ruach HaKodesh
Do you not know that the prophet Jeremiah testifies to MESSIAH fulfilling Daniel 9:24
Spiritual Israelite
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No, he was not. That is a lie. When you resort to lying to support your doctrine, you know you just make scripture say whatever you want it to say. How can you live with yourself by deceptively manipulating God's word, holy scripture, like this?
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
I should not have to explain what the word "after" means. It does NOT mean "at the end of". It means it's talking about something that occurs AFTER something else has ended. In this case it's talking about the Messiah being cut off some time AFTER the 69th week ends without it specifying how long AFTER the 69th week ends that He would be cut off. To have Him cut off at the end of the 69th week does not have Him being cut off AFTER the 69th week as the text indicates. You are blatantly twisting the text to fit your doctrine and God Himself can see you doing that. You need to repent of your dishonest treatment of His word.
It doesn't matter if that is referring to Jesus or not. The Messiah is the last individual in focus before verse 27 regardless of who the prince is in the reference to "the people of the prince".
Total nonsense. You are attributing a verse about Jesus Christ to some Antichrist instead. You couldn't interpret scripture worse if you tried. Verse 27 is about Jesus confirming the new covenant, as He did long ago, which made the old covenant and its animal sacrifices and offerings obsolete.
You have no idea of what you're talking about. YOU are the one falsely attributing a verse about my Lord Jesus to an Antichrist instead. May He have mercy on your soul for doing that. Matthew 24:15-22 is about what happened in 70 AD. The parallel passage of Luke 21:20-24a makes that even more clear.
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First things first. In 25 the Messiah will arrive AFTER 7 and 62 or 69 weeks OF THE 70 total weeks prophecy. Meaning, of course, He can only arrive in the last week.
Then, in verse 26, He will be “cut off” AFTER the end of the 62 week timed section of the 3 sections. Once again, it happens AFTER the second timed section is over. Can only mean He will arrive and be crucified WITHIN the final week.
Correct. It was the Roman army headed by Titus. And this also refers to the “prince who is to come.” Meaning, Titus was certainly part of pagan Rome, and pagan Rome was “slain” (7:11), and would be replaced by papal Rome who would be headed by the “little horn” (papacy - “prince of the people (Romans) who is to come”.
The “end shall be like a flood” refers to the absolute complete and total destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. They will destroy everything as though it was destroyed by a massive flood removing everything that identified Jerusalem or the Jews.
Secondly, there is absolutely NO mention if an “anti-Christ” figure in Daniel (and for that matter, not in any NT book! There is the mention if an “anti-Christ spirit” but not a person).
In Daniel, the “evil one”, the “little horn” is clearly mentioned. God tells us who he is, his characteristics, what he will do , when he will do them, the timing of his arrival and that he must continue until His return.
It is Jesus who will CONFIRM the New Covenant identified in Jeremiah 31:41-34 DURING (not for) the last week of the prophecy. He arrived AFTER the end of the 69th week, He was crucified in the “midst of the week,” and He will fulfill all 6 of His God given requirements mentioned in 9:24. He will confirm the NC for many.
His death as the Passover Lamb of God would be a perfect and one time sacrifice that would “do away” with any further need for animal sacrifices or offerings.
The “AOD” or the most “abominable” act in history (the Jews rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah) would CAUSE God to turn away from His people for the next 2000 years. He would make Himself “desolate” to them for the “time of the Gentiles” until He will remove the blindness from their eyes.
It doesn’t matter what the Jews think … they have rejected their Messiah. After the cross, the Temple, the Sanctuary, the animal sacrifices, the High Priest, the sacred vessels, etc., have all been “done away” with and fulfilled by Jesus. They were a “type and shadow” of the coming Messiah who fulfilled each of them. Their mission within His plan of salvation was fulfilled. Even if the Jews rebuild the Temple, the Sanctuary, etc., they are meaningless structures. They will have no holiness within them (presence of God), or any purpose or value to God. No matter how much they want to reconstruct them.
This is Jesus Himself predicted His death (abominable act) standing in the holy place. He is telling His disciples to remember He told them this … He is telling them to “understand” the Daniel prophecy that speaks of His crucifixion that will come to “make desolate” His / God’s presence with His people as punishment for the next 2000 years. He also mentions this in Mark.
I already have proven... from the actual Daniel 9 Scripture, that you are following a false doctrine of men by claiming the 70th week was part of Lord Jesus' Ministry.
But you keep spouting falseness, even trying to bring in irrelevant Scripture in vain attempt to prove otherwise than what I showed from Dan.9.
And what is even more amazing... is that you fail to even READ all of the Daniel 9 prophecy of the 70 weeks as to WHOM IT IS ABOUT AND FOR!
Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV
Now just WHO... is that "Seventy weeks" determine upon? Upon CHRISTIANS?? NO! It's is upon Daniels' people, the JEWS. And WHERE, WHAT Jews? The Jews of that "holy city"! Where's that? JERUSALEM!
But you show vain attempts to try and claim that Jesus ended sin for those Jews and Jerusalem when TODAY we see the MAJORITY of Jews still REJECTING Jesus Christ!
NONE of those events above in purple have been fulfilled yet! Why? Because that 70 weeks prophecy is FOR THE JEWS AND JERUSALEM, not Christianity!
How could you not know that?
Your premise is totally false.
Like the Daniel 9:26 verse shows, immediately after Christ being "cut off" comes prophecy that antichrists fulfill. The people of the prince is about the Roman army and general Titus who destroyed Jerusalem and the sanctuary in 70 A.D. So you're gonna' try and tell me Jesus' Ministry was part of that?? That's the most LUDICROUS IDEA I've ever heard!
And for the 70th week to be part of Jesus' Ministry, Jesus must CONTINUE TO BE MENTIONED in those prophecies about that Roman prince Titus, and the final antichrist that JESUS Himself warned of with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" for the time of "great tribulation" at the END of this world per Dan.9:27 and His Olivet discourse!
You only show how deceived you are about the end times.
You are not to be listened to.
Spiritual Israelite
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Nice straw man argument. He is not saying that Jesus's ministry was part of what happened in 70 AD. He did not say that at all. What happened in 70 AD was a result of the Jews having rejected Jesus (most did, but not all, of course).
You obviously aren't listening to what he's saying and are listening to some imaginary straw man instead.
David in NJ
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What people/family/lineage did MESSIAH come into the world???
What people did MESSIAH come to when He began Teaching at the age of 12???
What people did MESSIAH preach His GOSPEL to???
What holy city did the MESSIAH lay down His Life for???
What did HE accomplish for His people and the holy city Jerusalem???
Who was praised and worshipped as the KING of Israel when He came to Jerusalem???
Who was crowned King of the Jews in the holy city???
Today, if you hear His Voice = Who holds the DEED to the Land of Israel?
and Most Importantly, who Alone can bring an end to every sin, every transgression and every iniquity for the Jewish people,
for Jerusalem, for Israel???
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Once again, READ THE SCRIPTURE...
Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV
NOT fulfilled yet today for JERUSALEM and her people, THE UNBELIEVING JEWS:
1. "to finish the transgression" = the "abomination of desolation" Jesus warned us about for the end of this, which has NOT HAPPENED YET TODAY.
2. "and to make an end of sins" = NOT fulfilled yet today for the UNBELIEVING MAJORITY of JEWS in today's JERUSALEM. They still reject Jesus as Messiah.
3. "and to make reconciliation for iniquity" = not fulfilled. The greatest event of iniquity in Jerusalem is still yet to come when the majority of UNBELIEVING JEWS in today's Jerusalem will accept the coming FALSE MESSIAH in place of the TRUE MESSIAH JESUS CHRIST.
4. "and to bring in everlasting righteousness" = not yet fulfilled for Jerusalem and the unbelieving Jew majority there. One of the worse unrighteous acts by them in Jerusalem is still yet to come for the end, their worship of the coming Antichrist, the false-Messiah.
5. "and to seal up the vision and prophecy" = definitely easy to know not fulfilled yet just by reading these prophecies in that Dan.9:24 verse!
6. "and to anoint the most Holy" = not fulfilled yet. Even the unbelieving Jews' next temple they will build for the end isn't manifest yet today, but will be for the end, for the coming false-Messiah to sit in and play The Christ. Then with Jesus' future return, He will build the temple, like the Zechariah 6 prophecy reveals.
Brethren in Christ:
BEWARE of folks with a mindset like those Dan.9:24 prophecies for the Jews in Jerusalem have already been fulfilled by Christ today. They have not! This warning to my Christian brethren includes... the idea that many of today's Jews have that today's nation of Israel is God's FINISHED status under Christ when it is NOT!
Already today, many of the super-religious Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have been inviting Christian Churches with asking them for funds and help in order to re-establish their temple, and in secret, which they don't let on to those supporting Churches, that they plan to re-establish their old covenant style worship with a temple and animal sacrifices.
Even in the past decade, unltra-orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem have been doing passover animal sacrifices on a hill overlooking the temple mount. Don't be deceived about this by the Jews that come here which do believe on Jesus Christ, because the Orthodox Jews influence their take on Christian doctrine.
David in NJ
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By you saying: "not fulfilled today" you are falsely declaring of a righteousness above that of Yahshua HaMashicah.
That comes from the spirit of error = of the teaching of antichrist = which is to say there is another way besides YAHshua HaMashiach
The Only HOPE for Jew/Gentile/Israel/Mankind = Isaiah 26:4
"Trust in Yahweh forever, For in Yah—Yahweh Himself—we have an everlasting Rock."
Spiritual Israelite
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You couldn't be more off base if you tried. Making reconciliation for iniquity not fulfilled? Are you kidding me? What an insult to the work of Jesus Christ on the cross! How else can reconciliation for iniquity be made except for the shed blood of Christ? It's impossible.
Here is my understanding of the fulfillment of each of the six things listed in Daniel 9:24. I will list the scriptures that I believe refer to the fulfillment of each of them.
1. To Finish Transgression
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Hebrews 9:15 That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.
John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace".
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
2. To Put an End to Sin
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1 John 3:5 And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not.
2 Cor 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
3. To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
4. To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
5. To Seal Up the Vision and Prophecy
Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Matt 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
6. To Anoint The Most Holy
Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel.
Only Jesus could fulfill those things. Without His death and resurrection, none of those things could be fulfilled. So, if your interpretation of the 70 week prophecy does not have Him being cut off (crucified) within the 70th week, it is a false doctrine as His death is crucial to fulfilling the prophecy. He was to be cut off after the end of the 69th week (Daniel 9:26) and that placed the timing of His death within the 70th week.
David in NJ
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Spiritual Israelite
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It's all about what Jesus did for them, which He happened to do for the Gentiles as well. But, that doesn't change the fact that He did it for them. None of the things listed in Daniel 9:24 could be done apart from Jesus.
How could you not know that?
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