Who Is The Antichrist? A Biblical Prespective.

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Marty fox

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You're not understanding my point here. If the 7 weeks run parallel to some of the 62 weeks then that is not going to add up to 69 weeks.

Let me simplify this a bit to show what I'm talking about. Let's say there were 10 weeks in the prophecy instead of 70 and they were divided up into 3, 6 and 1 sets of weeks. Let's say 2 of the 3 weeks set run parallel to 2 of the 6 weeks. So, that means we have 6 weeks and we have 2 of the set of 3 weeks occurring during that time. So, we're left with 1 other week of the 3 weeks that occurs separately from the 6 weeks, right? So, that makes it 6 weeks plus that other week and that adds up to 7 weeks total. Add the other 1 week comes and that comes out to only 8 weeks of the 10 weeks of the prophecy. Can you see my point now? If not, this is hopeless.

I do understand what your saying but you don't understand what I'm saying

It makes sense if it sets of weeks.

1-set of 7 weeks
1- set of 1 week
1-set of 62 weeks

This makes 70 weeks

Theres no reason why the set of 7 can't happen within the time frame of the 62 weeks if the 7 & 62 weeks are different prophecies.

For example God could of given a prophecy that an event would happen in a hundred years from the year 1900AD and then at the very same time given a prophecy that a different event would happen within 50 years of in 1900AD

2-sets of years of different prophecies running parrell to some of the same time.

1-50 year prophecy and 1-100 year prophecy makes up 150 years of prophecy
 

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I do understand what your saying but you don't understand what I'm saying

It makes sense if it sets of weeks.

1-set of 7 weeks
1- set of 1 week
1-set of 62 weeks

This makes 70 weeks

Theres no reason why the set of 7 can't happen within the time frame of the 62 weeks if the 7 & 62 weeks are different prophecies.
It's not 3 different prophecies. There is no basis for that claim whatsoever. It's one 70 week prophecy of which the 7 weeks, 62 weeks and 1 week, which add up to 70 weeks, are part. It's 70 continuous weeks where certain things happen during the first 7 weeks (rebuilding of Jerusalem) and then it's 62 more weeks after that before the Messiah arrives or is revealed and then there's the last week.

But, my point still stands about your view not adding up to 70 total weeks. How are you not seeing that? Let's say 5 of the 7 weeks happen at the same time as the 62 weeks. So, the 62 weeks and those 5 weeks happen during a 62 week time period in that case, right? There is then 2 of the 7 weeks left. Add those and you now have 64 weeks. Plus the other week is 65 weeks, not 70. I'm sorry, but you are using fuzzy math here.

For example God could of given a prophecy that an event would happen in a hundred years from the year 1900AD and then at the very same time given a prophecy that a different event would happen within 50 years of in 1900AD

2-sets of years of different prophecies running parrell to some of the same time.

1-50 year prophecy and 1-100 year prophecy makes up 150 years of prophecy
Again, Daniel 9:24-27 is not different prophecies, but one prophecy. That's where you are absolutely wrong. Daniel 9:24 makes it clear that it's one 70 week prophecy.

But, in your analogy here, if some of the 50 year prophecy happens parallel to the 100 year prophecy the way you see some of the 7 weeks happening parallel to the 62 weeks, then that would not add up to 150 years. Let's say 25 of the years run parallel. That would mean it's 125 years of prophecy, not 150. The prophecies would end in 2025 AD in that case, not 2050.
 
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It's not 3 different prophecies. There is no basis for that claim whatsoever. It's one 70 week prophecy of which the 7 weeks, 62 weeks and 1 week, which add up to 70 weeks, are part. It's 70 continuous weeks where certain things happen during the first 7 weeks (rebuilding of Jerusalem) and then it's 62 more weeks after that before the Messiah arrives or is revealed and then there's the last week.

But, my point still stands about your view not adding up to 70 total weeks. How are you not seeing that? Let's say 5 of the 7 weeks happen at the same time as the 62 weeks. So, the 62 weeks and those 5 weeks happen during a 62 week time period in that case, right? There is then 2 of the 7 weeks left. Add those and you now have 64 weeks. Plus the other week is 65 weeks, not 70. I'm sorry, but you are using fuzzy math here.


Again, Daniel 9:24-27 is not different prophecies, but one prophecy. That's where you are absolutely wrong. Daniel 9:24 makes it clear that it's one 70 week prophecy.

But, in your analogy here, if some of the 50 year prophecy happens parallel to the 100 year prophecy the way you see some of the 7 weeks happening parallel to the 62 weeks, then that would not add up to 150 years. Let's say 25 of the years run parallel. That would mean it's 125 years of prophecy, not 150. The prophecies would end in 2025 AD in that case, not 2050.
Okay lets do this section by section, for your bottom comment I didn't say its 150 years I said its 150 years of different prophecies one 100 year prophecy and one 50 year prophecy.

For example 10 mornings and 10 evenings make up 10 days not 20 days
 

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Okay lets do this section by section, for your bottom comment I didn't say its 150 years I said its 150 years of different prophecies one 100 year prophecy and one 50 year prophecy.

For example 10 mornings and 10 evenings make up 10 days not 20 days
I have no interest in discussing this with you any further. I don't see your multiple prophecy theory as being valid at all. It's one prophecy. So, let's just agree to disagree.
 

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For what it is worth....

Daniel 9:24

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

In Daniel 9:24–27, Gabriel delivers a prophecy that holds profound significance in God's plan of redemption. While he begins by addressing the restoration of Jerusalem and the physical elements necessary for its completion by the end of the 69th week, the true focus of this prophecy is not on the rebuilding of a city—it is on the final week, the last seven years, where the mareh vision will be fulfilled through the Messiah.

This final week carries the weight of six specific requirements that the Messiah alone can accomplish. These requirements are not arbitrary; they are the final steps in God’s plan to restore humanity spiritually, bringing His people back into a state of righteousness, akin to the original harmony found in the Garden of Eden. This restoration, as foretold, would take place through the Jews and in His holy city, Jerusalem. However, it would come at an immense cost.

The sacrifice of the Jewish people, in their unbelief, made it possible for the Messiah—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—to be given to the world as the ultimate atonement for sin. This was not an accident or a matter of human free will overriding divine authority; it was preordained from the very beginning. The Jews had no choice in this matter, just as there is no way any of us could ever deserve the sacrifice of Christ. And just as we cannot earn His grace, we also cannot repay the sacrifice of the Jewish people, who played a pivotal role in God’s redemptive plan.

Verse 24 serves as a foundational statement, revealing three critical aspects:

The duration of the prophecy is seventy weeks of years—a total of 490 literal years.​
The prophecy is exclusively directed at Daniel’s people (the Jews) and their city (Jerusalem).​
Within this final week, six divine requirements will be fulfilled by the Messiah, bringing the ultimate restoration.​

These four verses (Daniel 9:24–27) act as a divine blueprint, laying out the boundaries and time structure for this prophecy. Just as the metal-man image in Daniel 2 provided a defined physical structure for understanding the rise and fall of kingdoms, Chapter 9 presents a time structure that is just as precise and unalterable. Within each of these measured time sections, Daniel reveals the actors, events, and divine missions that will be completed—each one essential, each one fulfilled exactly as foretold.

This prophecy is the key to understanding not just history, but the very heart of God's plan for salvation. It confirms that the Messiah’s coming was not random—it was foretold to the exact year. It affirms that His mission would not be political or military but spiritual. And most importantly, it reveals that God’s plan was always about restoration—not just of a city, but of the entire human race.

24a-70 weeks are determined
24b-for your people and your holy city


Gabriel's introduction to this prophecy in Daniel 9:24 is essential because it establishes a clear, structured timeframe that follows the same pattern seen in earlier prophetic chapters. Just as Daniel 2, 7, and 8 presented visions in two parts—a dream sequence and an interpretation sequence—Chapter 9 should be understood in a similar way. The Lord provides not just symbolic imagery but an exact time structure, allowing for precise understanding of the events that will unfold.

Gabriel begins by stating that seventy weeks (or 490 years) have been determined for Daniel’s people and his holy city, Jerusalem. This prophecy is not vague, nor is it open-ended—it has firm, divinely ordained boundaries that define both its time and audience.

The prophecy is specifically directed toward the Jews and Jerusalem, leaving no room for speculation about its application to any other group or era beyond the arrival of the Messiah.

Unlike Daniel 2, which reveals the rise and fall of four physical kingdoms, Daniel 9 reveals three specific time divisions within the seventy weeks:

7 weeks (49 years) – A period marking the rebuilding of Jerusalem.​
62 weeks (434 years) – The time leading up to the arrival of the Messiah.​
1 week (7 years) – The final, most critical period, when the Messiah fulfills His mission.​

This structured division is not arbitrary; it allows for orderly comprehension and prevents misinterpretation. It also serves as a direct messianic roadmap for the Jews, ensuring that they have the necessary information to recognize the Messiah before His arrival.

As the Jews returned to Jerusalem from Babylon, the visions of Daniel (the chazon and the mareh) and the prophecy of Chapter 9 would no longer be “sealed” or “shut up.” These prophecies were meant for them—to be studied, interpreted, and understood in conjunction with the other messianic prophecies of the Tanakh. The timeline given was specific and verifiable, allowing them to anticipate the arrival of the Messiah with certainty.

Unlike modern interpretations that attempt to extend or manipulate the timeline, this prophecy was given with strict limitations:

It cannot be pushed forward 2,000 years into the future.​
It is not about a singular end-time antichrist figure.​
It is meant for “Daniel’s people and city”—before the Messiah’s arrival.​

By setting these firm external boundaries, God ensures clarity, preventing confusion or misinterpretation. This prophecy is not about speculation—it is about confirmation. When read correctly, it leaves no room for doubt: the Messiah would come within this timeframe, and His mission would be completed in the final week.

The Jews were given all the information they needed to recognize their Redeemer. The question was never whether the Messiah would come—but whether they would see and recognize Him when He arrived.

The restoration of every article of the Sanctuary, the Temple, and the city of Jerusalem was an essential element in fulfilling God’s plan within the seventy-weeks-of-years prophecy. Daniel 9 clearly establishes a divine sequence, in which everything must be restored before the arrival of the Messiah and before the destructive events that would follow. When the Jews returned from Babylon, their mission was to rebuild and restore:

The Temple itself, along with the city and its walls.​
The sacrificial system and ceremonial services.​
The seven holy festivals and daily worship practices.​

However, God orchestrated the restoration process in a precise reverse order, ensuring that each element taken away during the Babylonian destruction would be reestablished before the Messiah arrived. Daniel’s prophecy divides the seventy weeks (490 years) into three distinct sections:

Seven weeks (49 years) – The time allocated for the physical rebuilding of Jerusalem, the Temple, and its holy articles.​
Sixty-two weeks (434 years) – A long period without an assigned mission, ensuring a seamless transition into the final week.​
One week (7 years) – The final period when the Messiah fulfills His mission.​

Notably, there is no restorative mission assigned to the 62-week (434-year) section. This reinforces the idea that these time periods must be consecutive, preventing any attempt to separate or extend them into the distant future. Before the Messiah begins His ministry, all physical restorations must be completed. This is why the restorative verses (9:24-25) come before the destructive verses (9:26-27). The sequence of the destructive verses matters:

Verse 9:25 confirms that the Messiah will arrive after the first two sections (69 weeks/483 years) have passed.​
Verse 9:26 confirms that the Messiah will be cut off (crucified) within the final week.​

This order is intentional. The Messiah’s arrival and mission were not random; they were preordained within a precise timeframe.
Thanks I am aware of that theory and used to agree with it but this below may help to explain my view in a few parts

The vision of the angle Gabriel and the prophecy of the 70 weeks were an answer to Daniels prayer in Daniel 9:4-19. Daniels is praying to God and asking for mercy as he knew that the prophet Jeremiah had prophesied that the captivity would last for 70 years. The law of Moses states that they need to repent and turn back to God but the 70 years was almost up and the Jews were still not repenting. We see in the verses below that Daniel is pleading to God for mercy.

Daniel 9:17-19
17 “Now, our God, hear the prayers and petitions of your servant. For your sake, Lord, look with favor on your desolate sanctuary. 18 Give ear, our God, and hear; open your eyes and see the desolation of the city that bears your Name. We do not make requests of you because we are righteous, but because of your great mercy. 19 Lord, listen! Lord, forgive! Lord, hear and act! For your sake, my God, do not delay, because your city and your people bear your Name.”
 
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(In response to the OP). The easiest way to understand the anti-Christ is to picture a painting: the painting has many touches of paint on it, which make up the image, but if the canvas was not there, nothing would hold the painting up (the Holy Spirit holds the painting up). So the anti-Christ has different kinds of flesh (see Revelation), but the Holy Spirit resisting him keeps him together. If the Holy Spirit did not resist the anti-Christ, the anti-Christ would come to pieces. The time will come when the Holy Spirit stops resisting him, and he will fall in a heap (think of David facing Goliath, but instead of David hitting him with a stone, imagine David removing a stone).

I vote this one as the best post in the thread. Gottservant wins the internet with this one. Blank canvasses, which the Man of Sin empowers by painting his image on. Different kinds of flesh that the Stern Faced King is allowed to work with and through as he influences and interacts with humanity. And just then Satan entered into him.

Since the time Jesus was here, I count six big ones, six different kinds of flesh in the Daniel 11 chronology. Right up to the canvas, the flesh, which is being painted on now.

So it's a spooky subject. I just wrote a long note on it in two other forums. Like it happening now in real time. One of them deleted my post within 4 hours. I know it can be scary. I like it not to spook the sheep, but because, in my view, the Antichrist can be used as yet another indicator, to see where we are now in that Daniel 11 Chronology.

Peaceful Sabbath.