Some observations of the King of the West, aka the Antichrist.

[KUWN]

The Antichrist will not be revealed until the Church has been Raptured.

All the religions of the world will combine into a solidarity under him.


The “God of his fathers” could apply to either a Gentile or Jew. If a Gentile,

then this simply means his ancestors were Christians. This is the most likely

view; the Antichrist will be a Gentile from the Revived Roman Empire.


The LXX translates this phrase “the gods of his ancestors.” The LXX is the earliest

translation of the Hebrew text, and they took it to be “gods.” The Antichrist

will not be a Jew.

The only person who is said to be a type of the Antichrist is a Gentile Syrian named

Antiochus Epiphanes. And, since the Antichrist will persecute the Jews during the Tribulation

It would be hard to take the Antichrist as Jewish.


The Antichrist will not be a Muslim either. No Muslim worth his salt would sit in the Jewish

Temple and declare himself to be God. That would be blasphemous.

The Antichrist will have the actual city of Babylon rebuilt. This will become his hub of operations. It is the Antichrist who will die (be killed). The word “died” is the same word use in Rev 5.6 of Christ, and we know Christ literally died. The Antichrist will war against the tribulation saints and overcome them, something Christ will not allow to happen to the Church.

The Jews escaped the army of Egypt by divine intervention, they are once again being chased by the Antichrist and by divine intervention, they escape again. However, the Antichrist will succeed in taking control over both Jerusalem and the Temple. It is here that he commits the Abomination of Desolation.

After the AD, the Antichrist will contain control for 1,260 days, after which he will be “killed.”

The desecration of the Temple is allowed to remain for 30 days beyond the end of the Tribulation. Then it will be destroyed, bringing the AD to an end. Then the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, and will be in the LOF by themselves for 1,000 years. During the 75-day interval, the OT saints will be resurrected. This will complete the first resurrection.

 

[Douggg]

The Antichrist

will not be a Jew.

The Antichrist must be a Jew in order for the Jews to embrace him as their king of Israel, thought to be messiah.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The Jews of Jesus's time rejected him as their king of Israel messiah. In Mark 15:32, the reiigous leaders said mockingly...

Mark 32:
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

However, the Antichrist will succeed in taking control over both Jerusalem and the Temple. It is here that he commits the Abomination of Desolation.

Yes, it will be in the temple to be rebuilt that the Antichrist commits the Transgression of Desolation, the act of 2Thessalonians2:4. And later, the false prophet will have the statue image made of the person and placed on the temple mount - the Abomination of Desolation. The setting up of the statue image will begin the Great Tribulation.

After the AD, the Antichrist will contain control for 1,260 days, after which he will be “killed.”

You have some of those things out of order. After the ToD, God has the person killed, Ezekiel 28:1-10. Then, in disdain for the person, brings him back to life in Isaiah 14:18-20, which it says the person destroys his land (Israel) and his people (the Jews).

Killed and brought back to life to become the beast-king happens before the statue image is made of him and placed on the temple mount. In Revelation 13:5, he then rules as the beast-king for 42 months before meeting his end.

The person will go through these 5 stages....

as the little horn
then the little horn as the prince that shall come
then the little horn as the Antichrist
then the little horn as the revealed man of sin
then the little horn as the beast-king.

 

[Douggg]

The desecration of the Temple is allowed to remain for 30 days beyond the end of the Tribulation. Then it will be destroyed, bringing the AD to an end. Then the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, and will be in the LOF by themselves for 1,000 years. During the 75-day interval, the OT saints will be resurrected. This will complete the first resurrection.

I think you are probably thinking that because of the 1290 days in Daniel 12:11, correct ? There are also 1335 days in Daniel 12:12, blessed are those who remain (alive and faithful) to see that day.

Here is what the 1290 days and 1335 days mean...



The Abomination of Desolation statue image, after being made and setup, will be indwelt by Satan after he is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9. Indwelt by Satan, the statue image will appear to come alive and speak. And the false prophet will require that everyone worship the statue image - or be killed.

The statue image will be turned to ashes when Jesus returns, exposing Satan there on the temple mount. Ezekiel 28:16-19.

 

[Douggg]

As the thread title suggests - the person will be the King of the West - at different stages of his time. Stage 1 and Stage 5.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Antichrist will not be revealed until the Church has been Raptured.

All the religions of the world will combine into a solidarity under him.


The “God of his fathers” could apply to either a Gentile or Jew. If a Gentile,

then this simply means his ancestors were Christians. This is the most likely

view; the Antichrist will be a Gentile from the Revived Roman Empire.


The LXX translates this phrase “the gods of his ancestors.” The LXX is the earliest

translation of the Hebrew text, and they took it to be “gods.” The Antichrist

will not be a Jew.

The only person who is said to be a type of the Antichrist is a Gentile Syrian named

Antiochus Epiphanes. And, since the Antichrist will persecute the Jews during the Tribulation

It would be hard to take the Antichrist as Jewish.


The Antichrist will not be a Muslim either. No Muslim worth his salt would sit in the Jewish

Temple and declare himself to be God. That would be blasphemous.

The Antichrist will have the actual city of Babylon rebuilt. This will become his hub of operations. It is the Antichrist who will die (be killed). The word “died” is the same word use in Rev 5.6 of Christ, and we know Christ literally died. The Antichrist will war against the tribulation saints and overcome them, something Christ will not allow to happen to the Church.

The Jews escaped the army of Egypt by divine intervention, they are once again being chased by the Antichrist and by divine intervention, they escape again. However, the Antichrist will succeed in taking control over both Jerusalem and the Temple. It is here that he commits the Abomination of Desolation.

After the AD, the Antichrist will contain control for 1,260 days, after which he will be “killed.”

The desecration of the Temple is allowed to remain for 30 days beyond the end of the Tribulation. Then it will be destroyed, bringing the AD to an end. Then the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, and will be in the LOF by themselves for 1,000 years. During the 75-day interval, the OT saints will be resurrected. This will complete the first resurrection.

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The Antichrist will not be revealed until the Church has been Raptured.

No true...

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power

Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.

The Antichrist must be a Jew in order for the Jews to embrace him as their king of Israel, thought to be messiah.

Nah, the man of sin is not going to be a Jew.

One way we know this is because the anti-christ is going to convince the majority of the world to follow him.... and none of the muslims are going to follow a Jewish guy, that's a fact because they'd have to dishonor their "prophet" to do so.

the person will be the King of the West

The anti-christ will control the vast majority of the world... not just the west

nor the desire of women

This is why some think the anti-christ will be one of them funny people

 

[Douggg]

Nah, the man of sin is not going to be a Jew.

One way we know this is because the anti-christ is going to convince the majority of the world to follow him.... and none of the muslims are going to follow a Jewish guy, that's a fact because they'd have to dishonor their "prophet" to do so.

Islam will basically end when the Gog/Magog event takes place and their god Allah backing the muslim attackers is proven to not exist, when the One True God of Israel destroys their armies.

 

[Rockerduck]

No true...

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power

Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.




Nah, the man of sin is not going to be a Jew.

One way we know this is because the anti-christ is going to convince the majority of the world to follow him.... and none of the muslims are going to follow a Jewish guy, that's a fact because they'd have to dishonor their "prophet" to do so.





The anti-christ will control the vast majority of the world... not just the west





This is why some think the anti-christ will be one of them funny people

very astute. I know this myself.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Islam will basically end when the Gog/Magog event takes place and their god Allah backing the muslim attackers is proven to not exist, when the One True God of Israel destroys their armies.

That's hilarious!

You think all the muzlims are going to willingly forsake their religion?

 

[Davy]

The Antichrist will not be revealed until the Church has been Raptured.

FALSE.

The coming Antichrist/false-Messiah is 'revealed' when he shows up to place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a new Jewish temple built in Jerusalem, and proclaims himself as GOD. This is what is written in God's Word of Matthew 24:15-26, and 2 Thessalonians 2.

The deceived will not know who he really is when he appears, but Christ's elect will know. Thus the coming false-Messiah will be revealed 2 ways:
1) to the deceived as GOD, or for the deceived Church, as The Christ.
2) to Christ's elect who will actually know who that beast really is, and will be persecuted and hunted by the Antichrist for knowing.

And when Lord Jesus does appear after... all that, that is when The True Jesus Christ will be revealed to the deceived, and likewise the real identity of the Antichrist revealed to them also. And the deceived will appear in shame when they see The True Christ-Messiah, because they were deceived and did not wait for The True Christ to come.

 

[The Light]

The coming Antichrist/false-Messiah is 'revealed' when he shows up to place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a new Jewish temple built in Jerusalem, and proclaims himself as GOD.

Ok

The deceived will not know who he really is when he appears, but Christ's elect will know.

True. The elect will know. A group of Jews will flee Jerusalem when the AOD is set up. When the Antichrist can't get to them as they are in a place of protection, he will turn his attention to the seed of the woman which are the twelve tribes across the earth.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Thus the coming false-Messiah will be revealed 2 ways:
1) to the deceived as GOD, or for the deceived Church, as The Christ.

The Church is already in heaven as they are the first harvest.

2) to Christ's elect who will actually know who that beast really is, and will be persecuted and hunted by the Antichrist for knowing.

These elect are the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth. There are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes that prove that these are Jews.

And when Lord Jesus does appear after... all that, that is when The True Jesus Christ will be revealed to the deceived, and likewise the real identity of the Antichrist revealed to them also.

Christ is the revealed at the 2nd coming which occurs at the 6th seal. This is when the elect, the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth are raptured. We see that after this rapture they are singing the song of Moses while in heaven.

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

And the deceived will appear in shame when they see The True Christ-Messiah, because they were deceived and did not wait for The True Christ to come.

Christ already came for the Church.

Christ is clear that He will come immediately after the tribulation of those days. This is after the Antichrist is revealed. Christ is also clear that He is coming in an hour that you think not..............hence pretrib rapture.

 

[KUWN]

The Antichrist must be a Jew in order for the Jews to embrace him as their king of Israel, thought to be messiah.

The Jews do not accept the Antichrist as their King. Where are you seeing that?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The Jews do not accept the Antichrist as their King. Where are you seeing that?

The so called Jews are Lost in fact ?
Back in the days of Jesus, Who are the Lost looking for ? The Golden Calf Mob, Who were they looking for ?

The worthy people of the OT looked to Moses and they had faith in Jesus ? but it was not untill Jesus went to Heaven that they who were truly worthy of Moses in fact, then were truly born again ! as they were in fact the first Christrians !

They were worthy of the title, a true Israelite in fact and as such they were in fact the Christians. Israel was Saved ! Like an egg had cracked open and came Life regarding God ! The Holy Spirit brought us to Salvation !

The Jews never Saved anyone, they could not Save themselves, for they were only religious Siners.
Only Christ Jesus Saves ones Soul in fact !

Their is only one Son of God in fact ! not two ? Bible points out that Jesus (Salvation) is the beging and the end ? so when Jesus comes again it's the same Holy Spirit !
See when Jesus was in the flesh, he was not truly known ? it was only when Jesus went to Heaven that he could be known, for he was then Christ Jesus in fact !
So what is the point of people who want to see Jesus in the flesh ? People like that are an abomination in fact, for they know not God !

It's the Holy Spirt that does the work in one in fact, not that anyone can boast in fact !

How about such ? I say to someone that, I seen Jesus in the flesh ? Well many people back in the days seen Jesus and to no avail !
Fact is that one needs to have the Holy Spirit ! that's the Key ! for that is God given in fact ! it's a Gift ! that's from God ! You need it now !
If you have such now you are Saved ! no need to see anyone in the flesh to make you convinced !

For if you are not convinced 100% now, then you are not truly Saved in fact !

 

[Douggg]

The Jews do not accept the Antichrist as their King. Where are you seeing that?

First the break down of the word "Antichrist".

Anti is a prefix that can mean either "against" or "instead of" or both. In the case of the Antichrist, it will be both. Instead of and against Jesus the true Christ.

"Christ" means "messiah". The text reference is John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

The "Antichrist", therefore, will be a false messiah instead of and against Jesus the true Christ.

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Now what about being the King of Israel...?

The Jews back in Jesus's time rejected Jesus as their King of Israel messiah. And Jesus said that instead they would receive another - who comes in his own name - i.e. someone that God did not send to be their King. A false messiah.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

That the Jews of that generation rejected Jesus as their King of Israel is expressed in Mark 15:31-32.

Mark 15:
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Having rejected Jesus, ever since, the Jews (Judaism) have been looking for their King of Israel messiah to come. They also believe, that person will be anointed the King of Israel by what they call a "known" prophet. By custom, they set a plate every Passover holiday in anticipation of Elijah to come and be a part of ushering in the messianic age.

The false prophet in Revelation 13, will deceive the Jews initially that he is Elijah come, and the false prophet is actually who will anoint the prince that shall come as the King of Israel. And so the person's time as the Antichrist will begin, but will end when he reveals himself to be the man of sin by committing the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:4.

The Jews will reject him as their King of Israel from that point going forward. That will be about 3 years into the 7 years.

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The term "Antichrist", as commonly used, is actually done so imprecisely. The person is the Antichrist only for the period of time the Jews will embrace him as their King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah. At other times it is more precise to refer to him as the little horn, the prince that shall come, the revealed man of sin, the beast-king - depending where on the time-line reference is being made.

For example, his last 42 months in Revelation 13:5 he is the beast-king... no longer the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah Antichrist.

Here is a chart I made that show the five stages he goes through to his end. The five stages, each is in blue.





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[KUWN]

The "Antichrist", therefore, will be a false messiah instead of and against Jesus the true Christ.

I think you offered good support for my position. Nowhere is there a passage that says the Jews will accept the Antichrist as their Messiah or King. It just isn't there. The Jews will not accept the Antichrist as their messiah, the Jews will accept Christ as their Messiah when they cry out "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." No Jew would ever present himself as God.

 

[Douggg]

I think you offered good support for my position

What in my post supports your position that the Antichrist will not be a Jew ?

Was Jesus a Jew ?

. The Jews will not accept the Antichrist as their messiah, the Jews will accept Christ as their Messiah when they cry out "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."

The Jews will turn to Jesus after their bad experience with the Antichrist.

No Jew would ever present himself as God.

Jesus didn't ?

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[Davy]

I think you offered good support for my position. Nowhere is there a passage that says the Jews will accept the Antichrist as their Messiah or King.

You don't realize how wrong you are, (or maybe you do, I'm not sure at this point.)

The events the "vile person" of Daniel 11 will do at the end as the final Antichrist is about a small people (small group of Jews) in Jerusalem that will establish that "vile person" as king in future Jerusalem, and he will place the "abomination of desolation" idol that Jesus warned about.

Are you Jewish then? Have you come here to try and dissuade Christian brethren from understanding about the coming false-Messiah that today's unbelieving Jews will think is their Messiah? Why do you think the orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem have been gathering materials to build their 3rd temple in Jerusalem for?