Who Is The Antichrist? A Biblical Prespective.

[Marty fox]

I believe that I addressed that in post 166.

Post 166 didn't address my post at all the book of Daniel states why the message of the 70 weeks was given

 

[Marty fox]

For what it is worth....

Part 1 - from my commetary.


25a-Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem

In Daniel 9:25a, Gabriel provides a clear starting point for the prophetic countdown leading to the arrival of the Messiah. This verse establishes one of the internal, time-specific boundaries within the seventy-weeks prophecy. It states that from the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks (49 prophetic years) and sixty-two weeks (434 prophetic years)—a total of sixty-nine weeks (483 prophetic years).

On the first day of the seventieth week, the Messiah would arrive to begin His ministry, marked by His baptism in the Jordan River. This ministry would last for 3.5 years, culminating in His crucifixion when He is “cut off” (Daniel 9:26). Despite the clear prophecy, there has been significant debate over when this decree was issued and who issued it. Scholars and commentators have generally proposed three possibilities:

1. The Decree of Cyrus (538/537 BC) – Some argue that Cyrus, king of Persia, gave the decree referenced in Ezra 1:1–4, allowing the Jews to return and rebuild the Temple. However, this decree only pertained to the Temple, not the restoration of Jerusalem itself.

2. The Decree of Darius (419 BC) – A less common view attributes the decree to Darius I of Persia (not Darius the Mede), who reauthorized the rebuilding of the Temple. However, like Cyrus’ decree, this also focused only on the Temple rather than the city and its infrastructure.

3. The Decrees of Artaxerxes (457 BC or 444 BC) – The majority of scholars agree that Artaxerxes I, king of Persia, issued the decree that fits Gabriel’s prophecy. However, Artaxerxes issued two separate decrees, leading to further debate:

The decree in 457 BC (Ezra 7:7-8) is widely accepted as the most probable fulfillment, as it authorized not only the rebuilding of the Temple but also the reestablishment of Jerusalem’s laws and governance. This decree aligns perfectly with the seventy-weeks prophecy when counted using prophetic years (360-day years).

The decree in 444 BC (Nehemiah 2:1–17) authorized Nehemiah to rebuild the city walls, but this was a reinforcement effort rather than an initial decree for Jerusalem’s restoration.

To resolve this debate, one should start from the end and count backward rather than beginning with the proposed dates.

1. The prophecy predicts that 483 prophetic years (69 weeks) would pass before the arrival of the Messiah.​

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2. If we count back 483 prophetic years from Jesus' baptism (circa 27 AD), we arrive at 457 BC.​

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3. This perfectly aligns with Artaxerxes’ decree recorded in Ezra 7, which not only authorized the rebuilding of Jerusalem but also restored Jewish self-governance, allowing the city to function independently.​

The decree of 457 BC is the only decree that fulfills both the political and religious conditions needed to mark the starting point of the seventy-weeks prophecy. It aligns precisely with Jesus’ baptism in 27 AD, confirming that God’s timeline is precise and unshakable.

Thanks but one thing here is that it's assumed that its the Messiah when the original text was the anointed one and there are many anointed ones

 

[covenantee]

Post 166 didn't address my post at all the book of Daniel states why the message of the 70 weeks was given

Scripture shows why it was given.

To reveal the New Covenant/Testament fulfilled within the 70th week, and to confirm and affirm Daniel as its messenger.

 

[Marty fox]

Part 2.

As a result of his research, Pastor Walker identified a total of 560 literal years between the dedication of Solomon’s Temple and Artaxerxes’ decree in 457 BC. This period was composed of two distinct time elements:

1. Ten Jubilee cycles of 49 years each (490 years) – Representing the reckoned time within the Great Jubilee system.

2. The 70 years of Jewish captivity in Babylon – These unreckoned years were not counted toward the Jubilee cycle because the land was resting (as commanded in Leviticus 26:34-35).

Since God only counted years of faithful obedience within the Jubilee system, the full 560-year span was required for Him to recognize and complete the 490-year period necessary for the third Great Jubilee Sabbatical cycle. Therefore, when this third cycle reached completion, it initiated the fourth Great Jubilee cycle—beginning in 457 BC with Artaxerxes’ decree. This decree not only marked the starting point of the seventy-weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:25) but also signified a new phase in God’s redemptive timeline, setting the stage for the Messiah’s arrival.

Daniel's 70 Weeks (490 years) gives a major clue that God determines and measures the redemptive history of Israel in cycles of 70*7=490 years. In particular, it defines the last of these cycles as running from the Ezra Decree to restore Jerusalem (458/7 BC) to Messiah's sacrificial atoning Death and Resurrection (AD 33). Matthew 18:21-22 also implies there is something special about 70*7 = 490:

“Peter came and said to Him: “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him: “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to SEVENTY times SEVEN (70 x 7 = 490). From this passage, we see that 490 is the amount of FORGIVENESS. Thus, the cycle of 490 years can be seen as a Forgiveness cycle (70*7 years) as well as a Great Jubilee cycle (10*49 years).

Both concepts agree in emphasizing God’s Mercy and Grace, so that we would expect these Great Forgiveness cycles to start and end with great national ‘Jubilee’ events of forgiveness, release and restoration. We would expect the intervention of God at these times in grace and power, forgiving the past, restoring them and giving them a new start. Thus, this Great Jubilee would seal off the previous 490 years, and then open up the new cycle of 490 years.

THE HISTORY OF ISRAEL - ITS FOUR GREAT JUBILEE CYCLES

These 490-year cycles are indeed confirmed in the history of Israel. Israel had a national Jubilee every 490 years.

The outpouring of grace at these times demonstrated God’s forgiveness of the past and His blessing for the future. Thus, God has marked the very structure of time with the revelation of the Jubilee: Forgiveness and full Salvation through the Blood of the Atoning Sacrifice (Leviticus 25). God set apart 4 distinct units of 490 years, and determined these four Great Jubilee cycles to form the backbone for Israel’s history. He fulfilled His purpose through these cycles:

1. Abraham to Exodus,​

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2. Exodus to Dedication of Solomon’s Temple,​

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3. From the Dedication of Solomon’s Temple to Artaxerxes decree to restore and build Jerusalem in 457 BC,​

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4. And finally, the fourth and last Great Jubilee from Artaxerxes decree to the last week in Daniel’s 70 weeks of years prophecy totaling 490 years.​

(New Book: Daniel’s 70 Weeks, Appendix 6: Israel’s 490 Year cycles Oxford Bible Church, Pastor Derick Walker).

An alternative approach to resolving this debated issue begins with an analysis of a second-century BC Jewish text, the Seder Olam Rabbah. According to this source, Solomon’s Temple stood for 410 years before its destruction by Nebuchadnezzar in 587/6 BC. If this is correct, then the Temple would have been dedicated around 996 BC (587/6 BC + 410 years).

For the third Great Jubilee cycle to be complete, a total of 490 years (ten Jubilee cycles of 49 years each) was required. However, if Solomon’s Temple stood for only 410 years, then at the time of its destruction by Babylon in 587/6 BC, there was a shortfall of 80 years before the 490-year period would be completed.

From 587/6 BC to Cyrus’ decree in 538/7 BC, a total of 49 years passed—a period in which the Jews were in exile and the Temple lay in ruins. These 49 years were "unreckoned" in the Jubilee count, as the land was desolate and not actively engaged in the covenantal cycle of Sabbaths and Jubilees. However, the 490-year requirement was still incomplete, with 80 more years needed to complete the third Great Jubilee cycle. After Cyrus’ decree (538/7 BC), the Jews returned to their land, but the full cycle still required 80 additional years. Exactly 80 years later, in 457 BC, Artaxerxes issued his decree, formally allowing the restoration of Jerusalem (Ezra 7:7–8). This decree marked the completion of the third Great Jubilee cycle and the official start of the fourth and final Great Jubilee Sabbatical cycle.

An additional confirmation of the 457 BC start date comes from the reading of the law by Ezra, recorded in Nehemiah 8, which took place in Tishri of 445/444 BC. This event coincides with the end of the second seven-year sabbatical cycle after the return to Jerusalem. If we count backward by two sabbatical cycles (14 years) from 445/444 BC, we arrive precisely at 457 BC—the date of Artaxerxes’ decree. This provides a historical and biblical validation that 457 BC marks the beginning of Daniel’s seventy-weeks-of-years prophecy (490 years), which would then conclude in 33/34 AD with the fulfillment of the Messiah’s mission.

Thanks again and I use to believe in this theory.

Here in a nutshell is why I believe in my view.

1-The 70 years of captivity were coming to an end and the Jews were still not repenting thus the 70 years would become 70 weeks of years.

2-The message of the 70 weeks were an answer to Daniels prayers for his people.

3-The events of the Maccabees like an evil beast of a man stopping the temple sacrifices and desecrating the temple.

4-Judas Maccabees being inspired by the book of Daniel to stay faithful to God rise up against and defeat Antiochus Epiphanies which led to reestablish the temple sacrifices.

5-Some people think that the 70 weeks start in 445 BC, but this is 160 years after 605 B.C. when the Jews were taken into captivity. If this was the case then the curse of the covenant would not come into effect on those who did not repent-in 535 B.C. when Jeremiah's 70 years prophecy expired. Instead it would come their grandchildren and great grandchildren which would violate the principal of the Law of Moses that children pay the price for their parents and grandparents sins.

6-It says that the anointed one will come after 62 & 7 weeks but he is cut off after 62 weeks. How can the anointed one if it is one person come 49 years after he is cut off? This proves that it is two different people. If it is Jesus how could He come 49 years after he dies?

7-Not once in the bible did Jesus or any of the New Testament writers ever claim that Jesus fulfilled any parts of the 70 weeks. This would not be missed and if it was Jesus it would prove who Jesus is to the Jews Especially in the book of Matthew.

8-Antiochus Epiphanies would of been the 11th in line but 3 were uprooted before him so he because the 8th inline

9-Each set of weeks line up with the date of King Cyrus decree.

10-The events of the Maccabees happening between the time of Daniel and Jesus.

 

[Marty fox]

As I have witnessed in the church the Antichrist has been grossly misunderstood.

Satan is a spirit. And Antichrist is a spirit. More specifically, the spirit that works within the unsaved and opposes Christ in the church. The word itself even implies a pseudo-christ or a substitute Christ. It illustrates "a false Christ." Technically, the man of sin and Antichrist are not "exactly" the same, except that one (the spirit) works within the other. Antichrist is the spirit of Satan that opposes Christ, while the man of sin (the sinful man) is man with the spirit of Satan working within him. Just as the Spirit of God works within Christian, a "man unto lawfulness," so the spirit of Satan works within "man to lawlessness," or as is Biblically known, the man of sin. In other words, sin = lawlessness and the man who is lawless is he who forsakes God's laws. He is he that will come to rule in the church, not a single man, but every single man of sin (lawlessness). For example, the false prophets and christs roaming into the churches today!

He is called the man of lawlessness (or the man of sin) collectively simply because that is what he is. The unrighteous man as opposed to the righteous man (Proverbs 13:5). Thus the sinful or lawless man and the spirit of Antichrist are the same only as one resides within the other. Clearly, this is how Satan rules the kings of the earth, and this is how the Apostle Paul could declare that there were many Antichrists even in his day. Because Antichrist is the sinful man, of which there were many.

1st John 2:18-19

• "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
• They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

There were many men, women, even children with the spirit of antichrist (men of sin) in Paul's day, and they were in the church, but fell away because they were not truly (sealed) of the Christ. They are the "many" but not chosen. They were of the spirit of the anti (in place of) Christ, and that is why the apostle Paul says "they were not truly of them and went out from them." They were not truly of the spirit of Christ, but of the spirit of the pseudo christ, which is why they chose to forsake the church.

Many Christians wonder how the prophecy can be that "Antichrist should come," if Paul says that he was already there at that time? The answer is simple, because the spirit of Satan was at work in the world within man deceiving (witnessed by Paul saying they went out from them) some even then, but Christ had also bound the spirit Satan by His cross that it was restrained in its power so that His church could be built by spoiling the Gentiles from the Gentiles/Nations (Satan's house/world). In other words, though Antichrist was going forth as a roaring lion deceiving some, he couldn't yet come in the fullness of his spiritual power to deceive the nations (Revelation 20) "until" after the period God says the nations were not to be deceived (Revelation 20:3) as the church was built in this millennial or 1000 year reign of Christ. This is when the "little horn" comes - a short season of fullness of spiritual power to deceive! Selah!

After the millennial reign of the nations being set free from spiritual bondage, THEN this spirit will be loosed from its chains to freely go forth to deceive the nations again and gather the wicked to assault the camp of the saints.

Another thing to take note of is the word "anti." In our day, the term anti is generally understood to mean to be against something or someone. But the literal Greek word [anti] in scripture more accurately denotes something that is 'in place of' another thing. As a substitute. True, it can rightly be translated 'anti' (as we might understand it) because by implication it can mean to be in opposition, and it is often used in that context. In other words, by extension it denotes that which is opposite by being set a substitute (in place of) the true. In this way it is a counterfeit set 'against' the original. For example, if we have something "in place of" the truth, it is a lie, right? Therefore those who believe in telling the truth, would be anti or opposed to lies. Or again, that which is "in place of justice" would be injustice. Therefore those who substitute injustice for justice are 'anti' or in opposition to justice. This is how this Greek word 'by extension' can mean anti. But its root meaning is "in place of" or as a substitute. a false Christ.

This word [anti] as applied to Christ is more clearly defining a substitute Christ, or that which is 'instead of' Christ. Therefore it is a synonym for "false Christ" or pseudo Christ, a substitute for the true. Those with the spirit of Antichrist are those who come as the church with the spirit of a false Christ. For example, the professing Christians who are NOT truly Christians or not truly saved. As the apostle Paul says (1st John 2:18-19), they went out from us "because" they were not of us. They did not have the Spirit of Christ in the first place which would truly make them one of them.

2nd Corinthians 11:13-15

• "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
• And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
• Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

These are the ministers of Satan coming "appearing like ministers of Christ." They were the Antichrists or false Christs of Paul's day, as they are of our day! The difference is, pay attention to this, in the latter days, these are those that will multiply greatly or abound, and this will be near the time of Christ's return. Then will the Antichrist be "revealed" in ALL HIS POWER to deceive and gather together the Gentiles against the camp of the saints, the remnant of the church. Those men with the spirit of the pseudo Christ, who worship a substitute Christ in the spirit of disobedience so that the sinful man is then ruling in the Holy Temple (God's house) in place of God.

Sadly, the term "anti-Christ" as it is often understood to be "ONE" personage that is supposed to come, is a misnomer! The Bible defines it as the spirit that is prophesied to come, and yet was already in the world at the time the apostle Paul was inspired to write the text. That hardly qualifies as one man at all!

We all should really apologize to you for hijacking your thread and start one of our own.

 

[CTK]

Thanks again and I use to believe in this theory.

Here in a nutshell is why I believe in my view.

1-The 70 years of captivity were coming to an end and the Jews were still not repenting thus the 70 years would become 70 weeks of years.

2-The message of the 70 weeks were an answer to Daniels prayers for his people.

3-The events of the Maccabees like an evil beast of a man stopping the temple sacrifices and desecrating the temple.

4-Judas Maccabees being inspired by the book of Daniel to stay faithful to God rise up against and defeat Antiochus Epiphanies which led to reestablish the temple sacrifices.

5-Some people think that the 70 weeks start in 445 BC, but this is 160 years after 605 B.C. when the Jews were taken into captivity. If this was the case then the curse of the covenant would not come into effect on those who did not repent-in 535 B.C. when Jeremiah's 70 years prophecy expired. Instead it would come their grandchildren and great grandchildren which would violate the principal of the Law of Moses that children pay the price for their parents and grandparents sins.

6-It says that the anointed one will come after 62 & 7 weeks but he is cut off after 62 weeks. How can the anointed one if it is one person come 49 years after he is cut off? This proves that it is two different people. If it is Jesus how could He come 49 years after he dies?

7-Not once in the bible did Jesus or any of the New Testament writers ever claim that Jesus fulfilled any parts of the 70 weeks. This would not be missed and if it was Jesus it would prove who Jesus is to the Jews Especially in the book of Matthew.

8-Antiochus Epiphanies would of been the 11th in line but 3 were uprooted before him so he because the 8th inline

9-Each set of weeks line up with the date of King Cyrus decree.

10-The events of the Maccabees happening between the time of Daniel and Jesus.

Well, I respect your position.... I would also strongly suggest you do away with the book of Macabbees and focus on Daniel. Daniel is all about the restoration of His people back from Babylon and the greater prophecy of His first coming. Best wishes.

 

[TribulationSigns]

We all should really apologize to you for hijacking your thread and start one of our own.

No biggie. I am going to start a YouTube Video channel. Unforuentely for many of you, the video will be speaking in sign language because I am deaf, but I may plan to include an article for hearing audience to click and read.

Cheers.

 

[covenantee]

What time do you think Jesus and Mark were saying was fulfilled?

The first advent the ushering in of the new covenant which I don't believe that the 70 weeks are about

mark 1
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus announced two realities whose time was fulfilled: The kingdom of God, and the gospel.

They were fulfilled beginning with Jesus' ministry.

Which began in the 70th week.

 

[Jay Ross]

mark 1
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus announced two realities whose time was fulfilled: The kingdom of God, and the gospel.

They were fulfilled beginning with Jesus' ministry.

Which began in the 70th week.

From my understanding of scripture, Jesus' first advent was beginning, which fulfilled many messianic prophecies. The promise of the coming kingdom of God was still around 2,000 years into the future from the time of Christ's first advent.

As for when the "70th Week" will occur, it is my understanding that the 70th week will happen around 3,000 or so years after Christ's first advent.

Christ did present the Good News Gospel for those who had eyes to see and ears to hear. For Israel to see and hear this Good News Gospel, the visitation of the fathers' iniquities has to run to it completion which will, if I am right in another 20 years from now, after the end of the fourth age of Israel's existence.

We all need to see and hear what God's word actually tells us.

Shalom

 

[covenantee]

From my understanding of scripture, Jesus' first advent was beginning which fulfilled many messianic prophecies. The promise of the coming kingdom of God was still around 2,000 years into the future from the time of Christ's first advent.

As for when the "70th Week" will occur, it is my understanding that the 70th week will happen around 3,000 or so years after Christ's first advent.

Christ did present the Good News Gospel for those who had eyes to see and ears to hear. For Israel to see and hear this Good News Gospel, the visitation of the fathers' iniquities has to run to it completion which will, if I am right in another 20 years from now, after the end of the fourth age of Israel's existence.

We all need to see and hear what God's word actually tells us.

Shalom

Jesus announced the Kingdom of God and delivered: Luke 17:20,21

The 70th week began with Jesus' baptism circa 27 AD.

We all need to recognize what Christ has accomplished for us beginning long ago.

 

[sheeplike]

This is what I found in Wikipedia - and it was interesting for me to see the word Anti exactly explained. So, taking this into account I think I know what to expect. The word Pseudo told me a lot. Look here:

The Antichrist (the figure on the left, with the attributes of a king) by Herrad of Landsberg (about 1180), from the 12th-century Hortus deliciarum .The Devil whispers to the Antichrist; detail from Sermons and Deeds of the Antichrist, Luca Signorelli, 1501, Orvieto Cathedral.
In Christian eschatology, Antichrist refers to a kind of person prophesied by the Bible to oppose Jesus Christ and falsely substitute themselves as a savior in Christ's place before the Second Coming] The term Antichrist (including one plural form) is found four times in the New Testament, solely in the First and Second Epistle of John. Antichrist is announced as one "who denies the Father and the Son."

The similar term pseudokhristos or "false Christ" is also found in the Gospels.[3] In Matthew (chapter 24) and Mark (chapter 13), Jesus alerts his disciples not to be deceived by the false prophets, who will claim themselves to be the Christ, performing "great signs and wonders". Three other images often associated with Antichrist are the "little horn" in Daniel's final vision, the "man of sin" in Paul the Apostle's Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, and the Beast of the Sea in the Book of Revelation.

Etymology​

Antichrist is translated from the combination of two ancient Greek words ἀντί + Χριστός (anti + Christos). In Greek, Χριστός means "anointed one" and the word Christ derives from it. "Ἀντί" means not only anti in the sense of "against" and "opposite of", but also "in place of".

History - New Testament​

Whether the New Testament contains an individual Antichrist is disputed. The Greek term antikhristos originates in 1 John. The similar term pseudokhristos ("False Messiah") is also first found in the New Testament, but never used by Josephus in his accounts of various false messiahs. The concept of an antikhristos is not found in Jewish writings in the period 500 BC–50 AD. However, Bernard McGinn conjectures that the concept may have been generated by the frustration of Jews subject to often-capricious Seleucid or Roman rule, who found the nebulous Jewish idea of a Satan who is more of an opposing angel of God in the heavenly court insufficiently humanised and personalised to be a satisfactory incarnation of evil and threat. [unreliable source?]

The five uses of the term "antichrist" or "antichrists" in the Johannine epistles do not clearly present a single latter-day individual Antichrist. The articles "the deceiver" or "the antichrist" are usually seen as marking out a certain category of persons, rather than an individual.[17]

Children, it is the last hour! As you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. From this we know that it is the last hour.
— 1 John 2:18 NRSV (1989)

Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
— 1 John 2:22 NRSV (1989)

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. And this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming; and now it is already in the world.
— 1 John 4:2–3 NRSV (1989)

Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist!
— 2 John 1:7 NRSV (1989)

Consequently, attention for an individual Antichrist figure focuses on the second chapter of 2 Thessalonians. However, the term "antichrist" is never used in this passage:

As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.
— 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4 NRSV (1989)

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who now restrains it is removed. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will destroy with the breath of his mouth, annihilating him by the manifestation of his coming. The coming of the lawless one is apparent in the working of Satan, who uses all power, signs, lying wonders, and every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
— 2 Thessalonians 2:7–10 NRSV (1989)

The latter of these passages is also the primary scriptural source concerning the Katechon, the "one who now restrains" the coming of the Antichrist. The identity of this person, if it is a person, is mysterious and the subject of debate. Although the word "antichrist" (Greek antikhristos) is used only in the Epistles of John, the similar word "pseudochrist" (Greek pseudokhristos, meaning "false messiah") is used by Jesus in the Gospels.

 

[Brakelite]

From my understanding of scripture, Jesus' first advent was beginning which fulfilled many messianic prophecies. The promise of the coming kingdom of God was still around 2,000 years into the future from the time of Christ's first advent.

As for when the "70th Week" will occur, it is my understanding that the 70th week will happen around 3,000 or so years after Christ's first advent.

Christ did present the Good News Gospel for those who had eyes to see and ears to hear. For Israel to see and hear this Good News Gospel, the visitation of the fathers' iniquities has to run to it completion which will, if I am right in another 20 years from now, after the end of the fourth age of Israel's existence.

We all need to see and hear what God's word actually tells us.

Shalom

Impossible.
“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease... ”
Daniel 9:27 KJV

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The spiritual efficacy of the sacrifices ceased in 31ad with the events that transpired surrounding Calvary. This was in the middle of the 70th week. 3 and 1/2 years after His anointing as Messiah. The entire week was dedicated to them confirming of the covenant with Israel, see Matt.15:24; Luke 1:68-72; Matthew 26:26-28; Luke 22:19,20.

@Marty fox You haven't disrailed there thread, in fact the present subject is precisely representative of why this thread needs to be discussed. Daniel 9:27 is taught by many as referring to the Antichrist. That is a lie. It is Messianic, and by claiming it belongs to some future Antichrist and not the true Christ, effectively hides the true Antichrist from consideration. Almost everyone is looking for a false Messiah to make some treaty with the modern nation of Israel, break it, and attack them. A lie. A false prophecy. Jesus ended the obligation and sacrifice with His death and the shedding of blood on Calvary. And He did it right on time. At the Passover, in the middle of the 70th week. The final 3 and 1/2 years of the 70th week was accomplished in pacing the gospel exclusively to the Jews, until 34AD when through Peter and Paul, the gospel was extended to the gentiles. Israel's 490 year probation was over. They refused to repent, they murdered their Messiah, and as a nation their fate was sealed 40 years later, which itself fulfilled Jesus's warning concerning the temple and Jerusalem. It all fits perfectly and makes all the sen sense in the world.
Daniel 9 is the greatest and most accurate and testifiable witness to the Messianic ministry of Jesus in scripture. In the context of understanding Daniel 9, replacing Christ with Antiochus, or some imaginary future figure, is Antichrist. And paradoxically, hides the true Antichrist from view. The papacy.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jesus announced the Kingdom of God and delivered: Luke 17:20,21

The context of Luke 17:20-21 should also be considered in the whole answer that Christ Gave in the verses 22-37 in the same chapter. It paints a very different picture to the one you are trying to paint.

The 70th week began with Jesus' baptism circa 27 AD.

That is one particular interpretation that is adopted by many; however, I favour the understanding that Daniel 9:27 is speaking of a time at the end of the age of the ages, some 1,000 plus years from this present time where the heavenly hosts attempt to upsurge God and His purposes after they have been released from the Bottomless pit.

 

[Jay Ross]

Impossible.
“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease... ”
Daniel 9:27 KJV

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The spiritual efficacy of the sacrifices ceased in 31ad with the events that transpired surrounding Calvary. This was in the middle of the 70th week. 3 and 1/2 years after His anointing as Messiah. The entire week was dedicated to them confirming of the covenant with Israel, see Matt.15:24; Luke 1:68-72; Matthew 26:26-28; Luke 22:19,20.

That is just one of the many understandings that have been floated, but I am afraid that the boat that you are using to float this particular point of view has been shoot full of many holes and it will probably sink in the near future when things work out very differently from what many believe will happen.

 

[covenantee]

The context of Luke 17:20-21 should also be considered in the whole answer that Christ Gave in the verses 22-37 in the same chapter. It paints a very different picture to the one you are trying to paint.

Verses 22-37 do not disprove verses 20-21.

That is one particular interpretation that is adopted by many; however, I favour the understanding that Daniel 9:27 is speaking of a time at the end of the age of the ages, some 1,000 plus years from this present time where the heavenly hosts attempt to upsurge God and His purposes after they have been released from the Bottomless pit.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week...

Fulfilled:
Matthew 26 NASB
27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;
28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is being poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

 

[covenantee]

That is just one of the many understandings that have been floated

How many different understandings were floated, and by whom, before the year 1800 AD?

 

[Marty fox]

mark 1
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus announced two realities whose time was fulfilled: The kingdom of God, and the gospel.

They were fulfilled beginning with Jesus' ministry.

Which began in the 70th week.

It could of easily of began in Daniels day as Daniel chapter states and was fulfilled at the first advent.

 

[covenantee]

It could of easily of began in Daniels day as Daniel chapter states and was fulfilled at the first advent.

No. It is very clear that they were announced and fulfilled by Jesus in His day beginning with His ministry.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Bro, you recently did an excellent exegesis on Messiah's fulfillment of all of Daniel 9:24. Could you repost that for us? Thanks.

Thanks for your kind words, I appreciate it. Here it is:

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Here is my understanding of the fulfillment of each of the six things listed in Daniel 9:24. I will list the scriptures that I believe refer to the fulfillment of each of them.

1. To Finish Transgression

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Hebrews 9:15 That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace".

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

2. To Put an End to Sin

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 John 3:5 And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not.

2 Cor 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

3. To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven


4. To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


5. To Seal Up the Vision and Prophecy

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Matt 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.


6. To Anoint The Most Holy

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel.

Only Jesus could fulfill those things. Without His death and resurrection, none of those things could be fulfilled. So, if your interpretation of the 70 week prophecy does not have Him being cut off (crucified) within the 70th week, it is a false doctrine as His death is crucial to fulfilling the prophecy. He was to be cut off after the end of the 69th week (Daniel 9:26) and that placed the timing of His death within the 70th week.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The events in verse 24 were accomplish by Jesus only He can fulfill them but once again these things are still happening by the Jews and gentiles today.

Do you understand that by making this comment you are saying that the 70 week prophecy is not yet fulfilled? How can you recognize that the events in verse 24 could only be fulfilled by Jesus, but then say they are still happening? You are looking at this like those who believe the 70th week is not yet fulfilled even though you do believe it has been fulfilled. It's not talking about making a literal end to sin or anything like that. I'm sorry, but your view on all this makes no sense at all. Please read my post #199 and let me know your thoughts on it.