The Bible makes no mention of Satan being born. Actually, we are all God's creations, aren't we?
What About Angels?
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If an angel is a repentant human being, then there is no need for the angel to repent, is there, unless the angel is a fallen angel?
Randy Kluth
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None of that makes any sense to me. My not being an angel has nothing to do with my interpretation of Scriptures. The Scriptures indicate angels do not have intercourse for the purpose of reproducing. They do not have reproductive organs. That is a very different kind of body than we have! ;)
Randy Kluth
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Makes no sense to me. If an angel is a repentant human being, then there is *every reason* for the angel to repent, just as there is for every fallen human being!
Behold
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I posted that Lucifer was not born, he was created...... and we are God's Creation, but "created in God's image" and birthed, except for Adam and Eve.
Its interesting that Angelic beings, Angels, are said to be "sons", but, there is no verse that says they are "created in God's image".
1 Peter 1:12 says that Angles are very curious about Salvation, The Cross, The Grace of God.., which indicates that this is not for them, but only for the Human Sons of God.
I can tell you this...
Lucifer was sent down here, and so were many angels who became demons, and when Christ was Crucified these "sons" were not given a chance to believe in Jesus and be forgiven.
Behold
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Behold
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Humans belong to a "blood line". and "Life is in the Blood"... "without the shedding of Blood there is no forgiveness of Sin", and the Cross is the "Blood Atonement". Believers are "blood bought with a price", = Jesus's Blood.
Angels dont have blood, because they are not human, not birthed., but created.
Lucifer/Satan is the same.
Randy Kluth
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If to repent is to stop sinning, and if a angel is a person that has repented, then what need is there to repent further?
Randy Kluth
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Standard Christian theology dictates that even a repentant saint needs to continually repent of sins that are embedded in our nature. That is, we have a Sin Nature, and always sin to some degree. It is vital that we repent of the big sins, while not neglecting smaller sins that include things like acting rude, being envious or jealous, acting boastful--things like that, which can lead to worse sins.
For example, I get irritated pretty easily, and my instant reaction is to be a little rude and argumentative. If I don't repent of that I end up in full scale division, hostility, and thoughts of murdering someone! ;) Though I joke about it, it is really a pretty serious matter.
God writes a few commandments on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). Why can't we obey them?
Randy Kluth
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What God asks us to do we can do. But God has also said that in the day Adam sinned, he would die. He incurred a death, along with an independent nature. That independent nature, gravitating away from God and towards rebellion against God's word is called "sin." We have to resist it, though its effects upon our lives will be felt until the day we die.
Randy Kluth
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Again, we can obey what God commanded us to do. But now that sin has entered into humanity, our obedience takes place through Grace, which involves our ability to obey God's commandments imperfectly. This is not sanctioning sin, but an acceptance, by God, that we're going to continue to be faulty even while we obey His commandments.
So it boils down to, What is "faulty?" It is our inclination to disobey, even while we set our minds on Christ, and find in his word the ability to be like him in our obedience. We will not be like him perfectly, but we will be able to demonstrate obedience to his word in our lives.
1 John 1.6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
If God says not to do something, then we don't do it. I don't claim it's always easy. It seems to me sometimes I need God's help. But it seems pretty simple to me: Obey God's commandments.
Randy Kluth
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It seems to me you're a "Christian Perfection" advocate, or am I wrong? I've said several times now that I believe we can obey God's commandments, and you continue to ask the same questions. Are you advocating for Sinless Perfection? If so, that's way too far to me. But you're entitled to form your own views.
Randy Kluth
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Bob, my wife just pointed out, after reading to her our exchanges, that you seem to want to have control over God's word. God's word says that we're sinners and require His grace to obey. In this we follow God despite our flawed obedience. God only wants us to abide in Christ, even if we can't do it perfectly.
You don't seem to accept that formula. For you, any disobedience is a choice to disobey God, and not so much something innately affecting our ability to obey. Your assumption seems to be that we don't have to sin?
In reality, Sin is a part of our nature, and not our willful obedience, as such. It is an imperative, that we rely upon God's virtue even as our nature tends to resist God's word. That is how God's word expresses it, and to deny that it to wrest control away from God and His word, putting control exclusively in our own hands, where our disobedience will become even more manifest.
To deny our need for Grace is itself a form of sin, because it assumes we have control where it has been taken away from us since the Fall of Man. God has indeed reduced us in weakness to the need for God's Grace. But this Grace does enable us to obey, even in our weak, sinful flesh.
You don't seem to accept that formula. For you, any disobedience is a choice to disobey God, and not so much something innately affecting our ability to obey. Your assumption seems to be that we don't have to sin?
In reality, Sin is a part of our nature, and not our willful obedience, as such. It is an imperative, that we rely upon God's virtue even as our nature tends to resist God's word. That is how God's word expresses it, and to deny that it to wrest control away from God and His word, putting control exclusively in our own hands, where our disobedience will become even more manifest.
To deny our need for Grace is itself a form of sin, because it assumes we have control where it has been taken away from us since the Fall of Man. God has indeed reduced us in weakness to the need for God's Grace. But this Grace does enable us to obey, even in our weak, sinful flesh.
It's not that. I have learned that when I sin, trouble comes into my life. Therefore, I try not to sin.
Randy Kluth
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Then we're in agreement that we can indeed obey God's word, and that God's word indicates we are able to receive Christ's righteousness even while we're sinners?
Explaining what this looks like is simply a matter of looking into the life of any Christian who knows how to hear God's word. It is the voice God speaks within our conscience so that whatever we do, we do it in the name of the Lord Jesus.
We can indeed do this, but we find that we are always having to correct our unloving tendencies. At least that's my experience.
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