What About Angels?

[Behold]

This "non-earth created angelic beings" is what I wonder about. Is it possible that all angels were originally human beings? It makes more sense to me that heaven consists of God and people, rather than God, people, and angels.

Bob,

What i can tell you is that Angels were in heaven, with Lucifer who is a Cherub, and they all existed before Adam was created down here from dirt.

They dont have wings, and they are not bound by natural law, as they can just appear here, and do, and did. as per God's requirement.
When the 2 Angels were in Jesus's tomb, they were recognized as men., not as scary cosmic creatures with wings.
And all angels in the bible, are male.

The Quran, and Islam........is nothing but a false copy of Christianity, complete with a bible, a god, a prophet, and a heaven.
IN the Quran, there is a Sura.... (verse) that teaches that drinking camel urine is good for you.
There is another or a few that teach that the angel Gabriel who spoke to Mary about the INcarnation, is the same angel who dictated the Quran to Mohammed.
The Quran says that Gabriel has 600 wings., and this can be found in Islam's other "holy" book .. The Hadith.

So, that is lot of "horse feathers"...... isn't it?

 

[Behold]

Yes, it's hard to believe this world is led by anyone but Satan, considering how evil it is. The Bible teaches that - the world is ruled by Satan.

"god of this world"...

This is proven by the fact that evil exists as the world, in general, and........

Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights and Satan came and took the Lord to a place and showed Jesus a vision, and said.......""see all these Kingdoms..........if you bow before me, they are yours">.

That is the god of this world offering it, because its his to offer us all.

Jesus didn't argue with Him.
Jesus quoted verses......He used the word of God to shut down, Satan.
And that is our lesson to learn., as our battle against darkness, is not by might but by the Spirit., by the Armor of God. = by the Sword of the word.
Its all spiritual., just like being born again.

 

[MatthewG]

What is the difference between angels and people who have gone to heaven?

That is a very good question, Bob.

All that I can do speculate. And only share what I believe and perceive through scripture.

Mark 12:25 Jesus said “When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

I believe people who die and are resurrected will be similar to angels. From my perception I believe that God will be giving resurrected souls spiritual bodies; either condemned (damned), or of life (a spiritual body based on Gods judgement and what one decides to do with one’s life build a kingdom on earth or store treasures in heaven).

 

[Raccoon1010]

I am just wondering if angels are people who have repented of their sin.

Angels may be glorified humans with power and ability from God. Notice in the bible people weren't able to tell the difference between humans and angels unless they showed their power like appearance as lightning and such. Jesus also appeared in angelic form to Paul.

 

[Raccoon1010]

@Bob Estey have you recently read the book of Jude? It talks about Michael the arch angel. This may be proof that humans become angels if God wants. In Jude Michael is heard contending with the devil about the body of Moses. He didn't rebuke the devil but said "Lord rebuke you".

Anyways, something to consider. Cheers!

 

[Bob Estey]

Bob,

What i can tell you is that Angels were in heaven, with Lucifer who is a Cherub, and they all existed before Adam was created down here from dirt.

They dont have wings, and they are not bound by natural law, as they can just appear here, and do, and did. as per God's requirement.
When the 2 Angels were in Jesus's tomb, they were recognized as men., not as scary cosmic creatures with wings.
And all angels in the bible, are male.

The Quran, and Islam........is nothing but a false copy of Christianity, complete with a bible, a god, a prophet, and a heaven.
IN the Quran, there is a Sura.... (verse) that teaches that drinking camel urine is good for you.
There is another or a few that teach that the angel Gabriel who spoke to Mary about the INcarnation, is the same angel who dictated the Quran to Mohammed.
The Quran says that Gabriel has 600 wings., and this can be found in Islam's other "holy" book .. The Hadith.

So, that is lot of "horse feathers"...... isn't it?

How do you know angels were in heaven before Adam?

 

[Bob Estey]

That is a very good question, Bob.

All that I can do speculate. And only share what I believe and perceive through scripture.



I believe people who die and are resurrected will be similar to angels. From my perception I believe that God will be giving resurrected souls spiritual bodies; either condemned (damned), or of life (a spiritual body based on Gods judgement and what one decides to do with one’s life build a kingdom on earth or store treasures in heaven).

I'm wondering if everyone in heaven is an angel.

 

[MatthewG]

I'm wondering if everyone in heaven is an angel.

Then Jesus should lead you to your answer. Thanks for the reply.

I believe there is a great difference. I believe God created Angels that are heavenly beings with free will choice just as God had given the human race. Only they are heavenly and not earthly like us. God can use people by the spirit in which someone shares the good news and they are like an angel to that person. A angel - or a messenger can be human; but actual angels that are in heaven, no they are not human; but they are similar to us in some degree.

In my opinion.

I believe demons and Satan have been done away with; but they also to once were angelic beings; but since the victory of Christ I don’t believe they are around today.

But people will suggest human beings are demons… which is rather strange in my opinion, and people will always continue to believe that Satan is still around and so are demons; I disagree and suggest darkness within our souls is what exists and without the light of Christ; our natural ways are apparent which are not according to the ways that God desires for people to follow after which is Spiriual.

In my opinion; I’m okay with believe Satan has been done away with: some would say that is deceptive. But my faith relies complete on victory already today; and that people enter the kingdom by faith and the light comes into their lives.

That is a very good question, Bob.

All that I can do speculate. And only share what I believe and perceive through scripture.



I believe people who die and are resurrected will be similar to angels. From my perception I believe that God will be giving resurrected souls spiritual bodies; either condemned (damned), or of life (a spiritual body based on Gods judgement and what one decides to do with one’s life build a kingdom on earth or store treasures in heaven).

 

[Bob Estey]

... I believe God created Angels that are heavenly beings with free will choice just as God had given the human race. Only they are heavenly and not earthly like us....

But won't we be heavenly beings in the next life? And why would angels be allowed to skip this life on earth?

 

[Behold]

How do you know angels were in heaven before Adam?

Because Satan deceived Eve after he was cast out of heaven..

He was already in the Garden...

here are some verses...

Jesus said..

""""And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."""


2 Corinthians 11:14.

Notice that Paul describes Satan """masquerades as an angel of LIGHT".... "light" being knowledge and Truth.

He FAKES IT... just like his ministers fake being christian teachers.


John said. ::

"and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world...he was cast out into the EARTH...and his angels were cast out with him"...

 

[Bob Estey]

Because Satan deceived Eve after he was cast out of heaven..

He was already in the Garden...

here are some verses...

Jesus said..

""""And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."""


2 Corinthians 11:14.

Notice that Paul describes Satan """masquerades as anangel of LIGHT".... "light" being knowledge and Truth.


John said. ::

"and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world...he was cast out into the EARTH...and his angels were cast out with him"...

We don't know exactly when Satan was created, do we?

Nor how he was created nor why he was created?

That can be a discussion in itself. Did God created Satan especially to test us?

 

[Behold]

We don't know exactly when Satan was created, do we?

Nor how he was created nor why he was created?

That can be a discussion in itself. Did God created Satan especially to test us?

Does obedience remain untested if its real?

However, the "test" was ......"don't eat that apple".

A.) they failed the test.


And the devil was created before time , as he existed in Heaven before the world was created.
God created time for man to exist within, as God has no beginning and no ending... "Alpha and Omega"

Lucifer was created to be the music minister in heaven...
He was the worship leader in Heaven is one way to consider it.
Here is a verse that suggests that Lucifer was ....created for that purpose.
“The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created,”

And what is the "universal language" on earth?... Its MUSIC., and he corrupts through music, among many other things, but that is a big gun, because the YOUTH love MUSIC, and this world's music, so much of it is filth for the mind, the eye, and the spirit.

 

[MatthewG]

But won't we be heavenly beings in the next life? And why would angels be allowed to skip this life on earth?

Probably.

But Jesus said when the dead rise they shall be like the angels… (speaking of us human beings).

Therefore human beings when they are resurrected are similar to angels but not.

 

[MatthewG]

I never worried about seeing an angel in heaven anyway really @Bob Estey just excited to be with the family of believers hopefully and enter into the kingdom and perhaps feast with Abraham, issac, and Jacob as Jesus foretold being in the kingdom with God and the Lord.

 

[Bob Estey]

Does obedience remain untested if its real?

However, the "test" was ......"don't eat that apple".

A.) they failed the test.


And the devil was created before time , as he existed in Heaven before the world was created.
God created time for man to exist within, as God has no beginning and no ending... "Alpha and Omega"

Lucifer was created to be the music minister in heaven...
He was the worship leader in Heaven is one way to consider it.
Here is a verse that suggests that Lucifer was ....created for that purpose.
“The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created,”

And what is the "universal language" on earth?... Its MUSIC., and he corrupts through music, among many other things, but that is a big gun, because the YOUTH love MUSIC, and this world's music, so much of it is filth for the mind, the eye, and the spirit.

But where does the Bible pinpoint Satan's birth? Is he mentioned before the third chapter of Genesis? By then the world had been created.

Curious what you say about obedience being real. I think the Lord gives us the directions to heaven. It would seem to me obedience is real.

 

[Bob Estey]

Probably.

But Jesus said when the dead rise they shall be like the angels… (speaking of us human beings).

Therefore human beings when they are resurrected are similar to angels but not.

Let me give it a stab: If angels are people who have gone to heaven, perhaps the phrase could be reworded to say "When the dead rise, they shall be like those who are already in heaven."

 

[Bob Estey]

I never worried about seeing an angel in heaven anyway really @Bob Estey just excited to be with the family of believers hopefully and enter into the kingdom and perhaps feast with Abraham, issac, and Jacob as Jesus foretold being in the kingdom with God and the Lord.

I'm still not convinced angels aren't people who have repented of their sin.

And I suspect heaven is what our lives become when we repent of our sin (Matthew 4:17).

 

[MatthewG]

Idk man. Thanks for the questions.

You’ll decide for yourself.

Have a good one.

 

[Behold]

But where does the Bible pinpoint Satan's birth? Is he mentioned before the third chapter of Genesis? By then the world had been created.

Curious what you say about obedience being real. I think the Lord gives us the directions to heaven. It would seem to me obedience is real.

I didnt state that obedience isn't real, i said that it has to be proven, so that its real.

Like this...>"Jesus The Christ learned obedience by the THINGS HE SUFFERED"..

Also, Saten was not born. He was created. Only Man subsequent to Adam, is born.
Jesus was born, but Lucifer was a created being, not a birthed being.
He does not have a mother. But he does have a Creator.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I am just wondering if angels are people who have repented of their sin.

I find no basis for that in Scriptures at all. Like men, they were created in the image of God, I suppose, because they are referred to as "sons of God." I've never heard of a repentant angel. Have you?