THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Wrangler]

never answer these questions: Jesus was given His glory back after His mission, the glory He possessed before the foundation of the world existed! ( John 17:5)

Wrong I've already answered this question twice.

This glory that Jesus had and regained was ALL AUTHORITY in Heaven and on Earth!

Eisegesis. Not one verse says this.

You don't want to admit there was a day before "today" the day he became God's son, which was written after he was resurrected.

 

[IronMaiden]

BINGO

 

[Wrangler]

Wouldn't it require omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence to have all authority ( power) in heaven and on earth???

Speculative question that is contrary to God's word and Jesus' confession that he knew less than God,

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Wrong I've already answered this question twice.


Eisegesis. Not one verse says this.

You don't want to admit there was a day before "today" the day he became God's son, which was written after he was resurrected.

I do admit that Jesus was born and on that day, He became a Son. Yet that does not quite touch upon His pre-existance before the world existed AS ... ???
Answer the question.

 

[Scott Downey]

Isaiah 42 is speaking of Jesus the Christ, who even though being in the form of God, was born as a man, who submits Himself to the will of the Father as His servant, to redeem mankind to God.

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Clear as daylight.

 

[Wrangler]

I do admit that Jesus was born and on that day, He became a Son. Yet that does not quite touch upon His pre-existance before the world existed AS ... ???
Answer the question.

As I said, I already answered it twice.

An invalid question, implying a premise not in evidence. There is no there there. A twinkle in his father’s eyes - as all son’s are before they are created.

Jeremiah 1:5 applies to Jesus as well as us. “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. @Matthias as written extensively about the notion of existing only in the mind of Jesus’ God, YHWH.

 

[Wrangler]

I do admit that Jesus was born and on that day, He became a Son.

A son as opposed to THE son? So, you admit there was a time before that day that Jesus was not the Son of God?

 

[Scott Downey]

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God

Christ was equal with God before He comes down from heaven to be born as a man.

As you can read, this and other scriptures prove Christ as God. I wonder why some keep objecting.

Their churches doctrines, their teachers have misled them.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Elect!!!

Only the elect obtain salvation, the rest are blinded
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Romans 11:7
What then? Israel has not obtained what it was seeking. But the elect obtained it, and the rest were hardened.

Only the elect are untouchable
Romans 8:33
Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

Only the elect have their sins forgiven by the blood of Christ and they are elect by the will of the Father and Christ, only they will see God and know God, Father and Son. If your not His chosen elect you will not be a believer in Christ as only the elect believe. Only the elect are born again. Only the elect will confess Christ before men. Only the elect will be glorified with Christ and have everlasting life.

So then rejoice that your names are written in Heaven, your name is in the Lamb's book of life.

Luke 8:10
He said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’


1 Peter 1
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Praise to God for a Living Hope​

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

 

[CadyandZoe]

How can you know Truth if you are looking to those who are lost and in the dark to find answers that can only be given to you from Above???

Who says that is what I am doing?

When you believe a lie you turn off the Light.

Who says I am believing a lie? Maybe you have believed the lie.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

You are quoting a passage translated by a Trinitarian, which is why you see Trinitarianism there. :)

 

[David in NJ]

You are quoting a passage translated by a Trinitarian, which is why you see Trinitarianism there. :)

Which Bible translation are you reading from?

 

[Scott Downey]

Who says that is what I am doing?

Who says I am believing a lie? Maybe you have believed the lie.

You are quoting a passage translated by a Trinitarian, which is why you see Trinitarianism there. :)

God's word is not chained. Why do you think your church has the truth, what happened to the prior 2000 years, God just let His truth be chained up? That sounds to me like you are challenging God's own authority to save whomever He wants. And godly men God used to put the scriptures together so they thousands of years ago could read the words of God.

8 Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel, 9 for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God’s word is not chained. 10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.

11 Here is a trustworthy saying:

If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Sorry but the Son created the heavens and the earth.

There is only one creator of heaven and earth. The Father is the creator of heaven and earth. In fact, the term "Father" means "creator". The son is a human being who was born of a virgin.

The Father is saying to the Son:

• Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
• “You, LORD, (YHWH) in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

If you explore this concept further, you may find that the term "God" not only refers to a Supreme Being in certain contexts but also to an Object of Worship—any entity that is revered, worshipped, and considered sacred. The phrase "O God," as mentioned above, does not necessarily refer to a divine supreme being; rather, it can refer to a human being who is deserving of reverence and worship.

Jesus argues that it refers to a man in John 10.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Speculative question that is contrary to God's word and Jesus' confession that he knew less than God,

See, you avoid the question, can't answer, fumble and disregard it.
> Answer the question: How can He possess all authority (power) in heaven and on earth if He is not God?
When Jesus was a man, He relinquished His authority and glory temporarily, and so as a man (who represented us as not only High priest but also the Sacrificial Lamb ), was a servant, submissive and obedient to the Father, showed us the way, thw truth and the life by example and in HIM, all things consist. He admitted not knowing the day or the hour that He would return. There were other times as well when it seemed as if He did not know: His prayer to the Father at Gethsemane: asking "if there was any other way?"; and on the cross: "Why have you forsaken Me"? The one aspect of a Galillean Marriage between a Groom and his bride was that the Father was the only one who knew the time when he would tell his son, Go get your bride. And still, though Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth, that one bit of information is exclusive to His Father.

What does "in Christ" mean if He is not God?
What is the Body of Christ ( the spiritual family/Body of God ) if not being one with God? His name also is Emanuel ( God with us).
"...his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". Is.9:6
What does that mean to you? That verse describes the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as ONE.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Israel is also called "only begotten". What do you think of that?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are talking about Isaac. Hebrews 11:17
This is a good example, proving that "monogenes" doesn't mean "only born" because although Isaac wasn't Abraham's only begotten son, he was the special, unique son through whom the promise would come.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

As I said, I already answered it twice.

No, that Jeremiah 1:5 scripture pertains to Jerimiah and can be applied to all created humans, not Jesus. Jesus had glory before the world existed, which was more than a father's twinkling in his eye, or just a thought, as you compared it to.

 

[CadyandZoe]

LOL In the Greek it mean only begotton.

That is incorrect. What else can I say? It's a matter of fact and can be verified by anyone with a Greek Lexicon.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Which Bible translation are you reading from?

I am reading from my own translation.

 

[CadyandZoe]

According to the TRUTH/Scripture, what does "firstborn over all creation" mean???

The term "firstborn" is often used figuratively to mean "the person who rules the family." The firstborn of all creation indicates the person who rules over all creation.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God

Christ was equal with God before He comes down from heaven to be born as a man.

As you can read, this and other scriptures prove Christ as God. I wonder why some keep objecting.

Their churches doctrines, their teachers have misled them.

That is not what Paul meant. He encourages his readers to embrace humility, using Jesus as a model. His argument is based on the idea that just as Jesus humbled himself, his readers can do the same. So, how did Jesus demonstrate humility? He did not take his status for granted. Similarly, to be humble, we must also avoid presuming upon our own status.

The passage has nothing to do with his supposed pre-existence.