Put Christ where he belongs

[KUWN]

To my surprise God has yet another Bible that supersedes the NWT. God is in the process of making his new and only religion known to mankind through a Prophet named Stephen. He will be giving the new Bible and the new ways God is changing everything to the publisher. Be on the lookout for it. Should be around July 25.

God fixed his bible=The New world translation.

If God can change his bible from the Apostles' writings to the NWT, he can do the same for another Prophet, Stephen. This time it goes from the NWT to the new Bible soon to be released. If Joseph can be a prophet, so can Stephen. In fact, there is no reason I can't be a prophet and God can give to me new revelation.

 

[Keiw]

To my surprise God has yet another Bible that supersedes the NWT. God is in the process of making his new and only religion known to mankind through a Prophet named Stephen. He will be giving the new Bible and the new ways God is changing everything to the publisher. Be on the lookout for it. Should be around July 25.

God already fixed his bible-The New world translation. There is no prophet Stephen.

 

[Keiw]

And you said our English Bibles are Satanic! And Aunty said Jesus' teachings on Hell are Satanic! That's JW doctrine!

Jack is mislead in the darkness.

 

[Jack]

Jack is mislead in the darkness.

Want me to quote your Satanic comment? Want me to quote Aunty's Satanic comment?

 

[KUWN]

Can you furnish a single scripture where either God or his son admit that both are named Yahweh? And where will I find that the holy spirit has a name at all?

Isaiah 45:23

• “By myself I (Yahweh) have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: To me (Yahweh) every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance”

This passage is applied to Jesus in the NT. The OT Subject Yahweh is usually God the Father. In the NT, this passage is quoted by substitution where in stead of Yahweh, the name Jesus is substituted.

Regarding the Holy Spirit, He is called God. Acts 5.9 with 5.4.

 

[ElieG12]

Is. 60:14 The sons of those who oppressed you will come and bow down before you;
All those treating you disrespectfully must bow down at your feet,
And they will have to call you the city of Jehovah,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

Those who do not worship Jehovah will receive nothing from him. Those who worship him will be exalted, and everyone will see it.

 

[Jack]

Those who do not worship Jehovah will receive nothing from him. Those who worship him will be exalted, and everyone will see it.

I will keep worshiping Jesus, God of the Bible!

 

[ElieG12]

Jehovah says:

Mal. 3:16 At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name.
17 “And they will be mine,” says Jehovah of armies, “in the day when I produce a special property. I will show them compassion, just as a man shows compassion to his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between a righteous person and a wicked person, between one serving God and one not serving him.”

Jesus said:

John 4:21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

 

[Jack]

Jehovah says:

Mal. 3:16 At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name.
17 “And they will be mine,” says Jehovah of armies, “in the day when I produce a special property. I will show them compassion, just as a man shows compassion to his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between a righteous person and a wicked person, between one serving God and one not serving him.”

Jesus said:

John 4:21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

And Jesus is still God of the Bible!

 

[ElieG12]

Jesus told his disciples:

John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

Whoever learns from Jesus and accepts his sayings, that one knows the truth.

 

[Jack]

Jesus told his disciples:

John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

Whoever learns from Jesus and accepts his sayings, that one knows the truth.

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".

Amen Thomas, Jesus is my God too!

 

[ElieG12]

Jesus, more than 60 years after his ascension to heaven, told his disciples:

Rev. 3:12 The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

Nobody in heavens think of Jesus as their God. On earth, true Christians know that truth.

Rev. 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

 

[Jack]

I'll take Thomas' word over Kingdom Hall any day! Jesus is God.

 

[ElieG12]

Who cares what you like? You're just a hater, even to Jesus.

 

[Jack]

Who cares what you like?

Bible believers!

You're just a hater, even to Jesus.

If I hated JW's I wouldn't try to pull them out of Hell fire!

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!

Quoting the NWT!

 

[ElieG12]

The Christian disciples of the first century NEVER CONSIDERED Jesus as their God. Notice that Jesus and God are mentioned as individual persons:

Rom.3:29 Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also the God of people of the nations? Yes, also of people of the nations. 30 Since God is one, he will declare circumcised people righteous as a result of faith and uncircumcised people righteous by means of their faith.
... 15:5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant you to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Cor.8:5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
...15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

2Cor.1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our trials so that we may be able to comfort others in any sort of trial with the comfort that we receive from God.
... 11:31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying.

Gal.1:1Paul, an apostle, neither from men nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him up from the dead,
... 1:3 May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 He gave himself for our sins so that he might rescue us from the present wicked system of things according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Eph.1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ, 4 as he chose us to be in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and unblemished before him in love. 5 For he foreordained us to be adopted as his own sons through Jesus Christ, according to his good pleasure and will, 6 in praise of his glorious undeserved kindness that he kindly bestowed on us by means of his beloved one. 7 By means of him we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his undeserved kindness.
... 4:4 One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
... 5:20 always giving thanks to our God and Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
... 6:23 May the brothers have peace and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Phil.2:11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
... 4:19 In turn my God will fully supply all your need according to his riches in glory by means of Christ Jesus. 20 Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Col.1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you
...3:17 Whatever it is that you do in word or in deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him.

1Thess.1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, to the congregation of the Thessalonians in union with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: May you have undeserved kindness and peace. 2 We always thank God when we mention all of you in our prayers, 3 for we continually remember your faithful work, your loving labor, and your endurance because of your hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father.
... 3:11 Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus make a way for us to come to you. 12 Moreover, may the Lord cause you to increase, yes, to abound in love for one another and for all, just as we do for you, 13 so that he may make your hearts firm, blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.

1Pet.1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you

Rev.1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.
... 3:12 The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

 

[Jack]

The Christian disciples of the first century NEVER CONSIDERED Jesus as their God. Notice that Jesus and God are mentioned as individual persons:

Rom.3:29 Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also the God of people of the nations? Yes, also of people of the nations. 30 Since God is one, he will declare circumcised people righteous as a result of faith and uncircumcised people righteous by means of their faith.
... 15:5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant you to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Cor.8:5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
...15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

2Cor.1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our trials so that we may be able to comfort others in any sort of trial with the comfort that we receive from God.
... 11:31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying.

Gal.1:1Paul, an apostle, neither from men nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him up from the dead,
... 1:3 May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 He gave himself for our sins so that he might rescue us from the present wicked system of things according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Eph.1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ, 4 as he chose us to be in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and unblemished before him in love. 5 For he foreordained us to be adopted as his own sons through Jesus Christ, according to his good pleasure and will, 6 in praise of his glorious undeserved kindness that he kindly bestowed on us by means of his beloved one. 7 By means of him we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his undeserved kindness.
... 4:4 One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
... 5:20 always giving thanks to our God and Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
... 6:23 May the brothers have peace and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Phil.2:11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
... 4:19 In turn my God will fully supply all your need according to his riches in glory by means of Christ Jesus. 20 Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Col.1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you
...3:17 Whatever it is that you do in word or in deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him.

1Thess.1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, to the congregation of the Thessalonians in union with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: May you have undeserved kindness and peace. 2 We always thank God when we mention all of you in our prayers, 3 for we continually remember your faithful work, your loving labor, and your endurance because of your hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father.
... 3:11 Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus make a way for us to come to you. 12 Moreover, may the Lord cause you to increase, yes, to abound in love for one another and for all, just as we do for you, 13 so that he may make your hearts firm, blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.

1Pet.1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you

Rev.1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.
... 3:12 The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

None of that disproves the Jesus is God! Kingdom Hall is not God! Your JW propaganda noted tho.

 

[Jack]

No Scripture? Jesus is God and Hell is FOREVER! Even the NWT says so. If I hated you I would just let you continue to Hell without warning you!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Isaiah 45:23

• “By myself I (Yahweh) have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: To me (Yahweh) every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance”

Again, can we explore the scriptures you have cited and quoted here….?
Isa 45:23…I am guessing that your reference pertains to Phil 2:5-11?

It reads in part…when Jesus had successfully carried out the will of his Father…...”For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.”

So God exalted God to a superior position?…..please think about that….how is that even possible?….and he gave himself a name that is “above every other name” ? Can any name be higher than Yahweh’s? (Jehovah) (Psalm 83:18)

In bending the knee to Jesus, openly acknowledging him as our “Lord” (not another name for God, but a title of honor and respect) we rightly give glory to his God and Father, as he always did.
Jesus worships his Father even in heaven (Rev 3:12)…..please explain how that proves a trinity….?

Do you see how every knee will bow and every tongue will acknowledge Jesus as Lord and therefore give him honor……but not worship? Do you see that last phrase? Everything Jesus did was for the glory of his Father…not himself.

This passage is applied to Jesus in the NT. The OT Subject Yahweh is usually God the Father. In the NT, this passage is quoted by substitution where in stead of Yahweh, the name Jesus is substituted.

You can see that your assumption is not true. By honoring the son, we honor the Father who sent him.
Did Jesus send himself?

Regarding the Holy Spirit, He is called God. Acts 5.9 with 5.4.

Again, let’s look at these verses….
Those who know the story of Ananias and Sapphira will be familiar with what happened….

Acts 5:3-10….(ESV)….
”But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him. After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. And Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for so much.” And she said, “Yes, for so much.” But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.”

What is this story telling us? It’s about who is is listening when we tell lies….and when our motives are not pure, who is offended if we are pretending to be what we are not?

How did Peter know that Ananias was not telling the truth about how much he sold his land for? Why did Ananias need to lie? He and his wife held back some of the money for themselves, but told the apostles that they had donated all the money from the sale. Was this not to impress people and to big note themselves?
Where in all that story do we see God telling Peter that the Holy Spirit is God?

Ananias and his wife lied to God’s servants, and through his Holy Spirit, Jehovah informed Peter of the misdeed. Trinitarians read into verses things that were never said. The slightest implication or inference that can be twisted to support a doctrine for which there is no scriptural proof…this is an act of desperation.

 

[Traveler]

Some Attributes of God

We have seen already that the Bible teaches us to respond to Jesus Christ as we would to God the Father, by giving him the honors that are due God. We are to honor, glorify, worship, pray to, sing to and about, believe in, fear or reverence, religiously serve, love, and obey Jesus as we would God

Honoring Jesus in these ways would be odd -- and blasphemous -- if he were merely a man. No matter how great a human being he might have been, no matter how wise or kind or influential we consider him to have been, it would be wrong to honor Jesus as God if he were fundamentally and in essence no more than a man.

It staggers the imagination and stretches the mind, but somehow Jesus has characteristics and abilities properly associated with God. In his essence and nature, Jesus is exactly like God. He possesses what theologians call the attributes of God.

When theologians discuss the attributes of God, they frequently distinguish between the communicable and incommunicable attributes of God. Communicable attributes are those attributes that God shares in some way with creatures (particularly human beings), such as love, holiness, and faithfulness. Incommunicable attributes are those attributes that God does not and cannot share with creatures, such as being all-knowing, all-powerful, and eternal. To say that Jesus is exactly, perfectly like God is to say that he possesses both the communicable and the incommunicable attributes of God.

The point is important because if we are to establish that Jesus has God's attributes, we must show that certain descriptions of God are not only also applied to Jesus but that they are applied to him with the same meaning. It will be shown that Jesus possesses the attributes of God and possesses them in the same sense and to the same extent that God possesses them. The point we are making may be stated as a paradox: No one is exactly like God; yet Jesus is exactly like God.

That no one is like God is a major theme of the Old Testament (Exod. 8:10; 9:14; 15:11; 2 Sam. 7:22; 1 Kings 8:23; 1 Chron. 17:20; Ps. 86:8; Isa. 40:18, 25; 44:7; 46:5, 9; Jer. 10:6-7; Mic. 7:18). Most of these passages in context are arguing that there are no gods like the Lord God. (That no human beings are like God is occasionally mentioned as well, but it is always assumed.) They point out that no other gods have the capabilities that God has. None of them can do the kinds of miracles that God does; none can demonstrate mastery over the forces of nature or predict and control the flow of history. There is no one as great and awesome as God, and nothing in creation looks like God or is his equal. No one can even come close to rivaling God's faithfulness, mercy, and forgiveness. And yet the New Testament confidently affirms that in all these ways Jesus Christ is exactly like God!

Some argue that Col. 2:10 ("and you have come to fullness in him") shows that the "fullness" of verse 9 does not mean that Jesus has God's very nature.

Although the title Son as applied to Jesus has more than one connotation in Scripture, here we want to focus attention on the New Testament teaching that Jesus, the Son of God, had the very nature of God.

Notice this exchange between Philip and Jesus. "If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us. "Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?" (John 14:7-10)

Jesus claims to be such a perfect revelation of the Father that anyone who has seen him has seen the Father.

This has got to stop,

When we pray it is to ther father in the name of Jesus. We can only come to the Father through Jesus, that is what the redemption message is all about.

Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: