Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ...!Again, can we explore the scriptures you have cited and quoted here….?
Isa 45:23…I am guessing that your reference pertains to Phil 2:5-11?
It reads in part…when Jesus had successfully carried out the will of his Father…...”For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.”
So God exalted God to a superior position?…..please think about that….how is that even possible?….and he gave himself a name that is “above every other name” ? Can any name be higher than Yahweh’s? (Jehovah) (Psalm 83:18)
In bending the knee to Jesus, openly acknowledging him as our “Lord” (not another name for God, but a title of honor and respect) we rightly give glory to his God and Father, as he always did.
Jesus worships his Father even in heaven (Rev 3:12)…..please explain how that proves a trinity….?
Do you see how every knee will bow and every tongue will acknowledge Jesus as Lord and therefore give him honor……but not worship? Do you see that last phrase? Everything Jesus did was for the glory of his Father…not himself.
You can see that your assumption is not true. By honoring the son, we honor the Father who sent him.
Did Jesus send himself?
Again, let’s look at these verses….
Those who know the story of Ananias and Sapphira will be familiar with what happened….
Acts 5:3-10….(ESV)….
”But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him. After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. And Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for so much.” And she said, “Yes, for so much.” But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.”
What is this story telling us? It’s about who is is listening when we tell lies….and when our motives are not pure, who is offended if we are pretending to be what we are not?
How did Peter know that Ananias was not telling the truth about how much he sold his land for? Why did Ananias need to lie? He and his wife held back some of the money for themselves, but told the apostles that they had donated all the money from the sale. Was this not to impress people and to big note themselves?
Where in all that story do we see God telling Peter that the Holy Spirit is God?
Ananias and his wife lied to God’s servants, and through his Holy Spirit, Jehovah informed Peter of the misdeed. Trinitarians read into verses things that were never said. The slightest implication or inference that can be twisted to support a doctrine for which there is no scriptural proof…this is an act of desperation.
Pay attention JW's!
