My spirit as it’s in Christ, will be taken straight to the Father.on my death of this body of flesh and bones.
No idea what my glorified body will look like.
No idea what my glorified body will look like.
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[Luk 20:35-36 NET] 35 But those who are regarded as worthy to share in that age and in the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. 36 In fact, they can no longer die, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.
Yes, ”in that age,” everyone will be in spiritual bodies and those of the first resurrection will be immortal.
Taken
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YOU have you own WORDS IN YOU.
When you open YOUR Mouth and Speak YOUR WORDS come forth out of your mouth…YET remain IN You.
It means your words represents (to others Hearing), YOUR thoughts, WILL, Beliefs, Intents, Position…
AND those SAME….Thoughts, WILL, Intents, Position CONTINUE to REMAIN IN YOU.
Gods WORD is HIS.
When Gods WORD comes forth out of His Mouth…. His WORD IS a “HOLY THING”.
Likewise….Gods WORD CONTINUES To REMAIN IN God.
WHAT “IS” YOUR Word….?
“You, Yours”?
Your WORD iS YOUR “possession”, Belongs TO only You… That Only YOU can Claim IS
Yours. Correct?
And DO YOU Claim YOUR WORD…. By YOU Saying…. “My” word, “I”believe, “I”Think, “I” intend, “My” will”….etc.?
AND….WHAT is “The NAME” of “Your word”?
On this forum… YOUR Word is Named:
Ritajanice…of the (geological location) of the United Kingdom).
Do You have Other Names or Titles for YOUR WORD?
Maybe a Last Name?
Maybe Mrs?
Maybe Employer (Boss)
Maybe Next door (Neighbor?)
Maybe (Sister)?
Maybe (Mother)?
Maybe (co-worker)?
Point being… not every other person IN the world, Relates to you or CALLS YOU by the same Names or Titles or descriptions.
WHAT IS THE NAME, Titles, Descriptions of Gods WORD…. That From the Beginning Has Come Forth OUT of Gods Mouth (while Remaining IN God, which God continually possessively claims… Saying “I, My” ???
Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said…
Glory to God,
Taken
Paul speaks of this as a current reality.
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God,
All those who died, there spirits either go to be in heaven or in hell, where they await the resurrection
The age to come, so the bodily resurrection is in the future.
Believers though get seated seated in heavenly places
We get to ascend into heaven to be with Christ as He went there to make a place for us, so that where He is we will also be, He comes and gets us.
John 14
1 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
And where is the Father?, well the Father is in Heaven and we will come to Him, by Christ. He comes to us and brings us to Him in heaven.
We also come to God by knowing the Father and by Him knowing us. This is our relationship as part of His family, and this family stays together.
As do you. When you speak I hear religion, nothing spiritual.
Your own words, nonsense to me.
Gods word is Alive and Active in us, via his Holy Spirit.
When Gods word comes out of his mouth its Alive Holy and Pure.
Intellect talk.
Intellect talk..gobble gook.
Intellect gobble gook talk....what an utter load of nonsense.
The rest of your post sounds like your own gobble gook..manmade words..full of utter confusion, that’s why I skimmed through them.
You need supernatural divine heart revelation, praying that you receive it.
Imo ,you are still very much in the old man way of thinking...never mind,God will help you...especially as you could be a new babe..
We grow in Spirit...not the intellect as a Born Again...Born Of The Spirit = Spirit Children?
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Yes. All Christians have the same heavenly calling - Hebrews 3:1 (WEB):
(1) Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus;
1 John 3:2 (WEB):
(2) Beloved, now we are children of God, and it is not yet revealed what we will be. But we know that when he is revealed, we will be like him; for we will see him just as he is.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 (WEB):(17) then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.
To become an adopted son of God, we must become (and remain) a Christian during the acceptable time - between Jesus' ministry and the rapture/first resurrection (the Gospel Age). 2 Corinthians 6:2 (WEB):
(2) for he says, “At an acceptable time I listened to you, in a day of salvation I helped you.”Behold, now is the acceptable time. Behold, now is the day of salvation.
Everyone who lived before Jesus' ministry, everyone who lived during the Gospel Age but did not become Christians, and everyone who lived after the rapture (whether they come to believe in Jesus or not) will be resurrected as humans and will live on the earth. (Those who believe and remain faithful during the Great tribulation will get to heaven, but not as adopted sons; they will be servants before God - Revelation 7:14-15). The meek, who believe in Jesus during Christ's 1,000 year reign after the resurrection, are those who will inherit the earth. Christians resurrected in the first resurrection will inherit God's Kingdom.
1 Corinthians 15:50-53 (WEB):
(50) Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable.
(51) Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we [brothers, i.e. Christians] will all be changed,
(52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
(53) For this perishable body must become imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Indeed. There will be many humans living forever on the earth. But Christians have a better inheritance:
Colossians 1:3-5 (WEB):
(3) We give thanks to God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
(4) having heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which you have toward all the saints,
(5) because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the Good News,
1 Peter 1:3-4 (WEB):
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(4) to an incorruptible and undefiled inheritance that doesn’t fade away, reserved in Heaven for you,
Taken
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You saying “God”, saying “Spirit”… coupled “WITH YOUR WORDS…OF Your opinions, Your mindful understanding”…
IS EXACTY the LIMITED PROWESS You Reveal regarding yourself and Spiritual Understanding.
You Appear to be on the Right Path, yet seeming confused How you got there, As you balk at others ability to Carnally Intellectually Reason and Spiritually Understand.
Glory to God,
Taken
Wrangler
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A problem I had with NKJV is that even though they removed archaic words, like thee and thou, the sentence structure remained archaic. I felt like I was reading the Gospel of Yoda.
I hope right you are.
Misread, the prophecy could be.
Even for a Jedi, time to rest.
This slowed the pace of reading. I did not like it. The archiac sentence structure took me out of the Bible and into understanding choppy and awkwardly worded by today's standards sentence structures.
CadyandZoe
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Given that Jesus is the unique son of God, I don't think it follows that Jesus is transcendent. What makes Jesus unique is his role as the "firstborn among all creation." Jesus is unique by virtue of his status and authority. He is also unique in that he accurately represents God's character. Jesus is unique because of his representational nature, not his ontological nature.
The idea that Jesus exists as an eternal member of a tripartite Godhead is false teaching. There is only one eternal God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
CadyandZoe
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The point is, "monogenes" doesn't mean "begun". It has nothing at all to do with birth or a beginning.
CadyandZoe
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I agree. However, Paul is quoting that passage in order to justify the humanity of Jesus. The passage depicts the God speaking to a human son, not a second person of a Godhead.
The Son did not create the heavens and the earth. Rather, the heavens and the earth were created by the Father for the Son.
David in NJ
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How can you call "false" what God said is Truth???
Even a young child can count to three = Genesis
Genesis 1: 1-3
v1 - In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
v2 - Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the surface of the waters.
v3 - And Elohim Said, “Let there be light,”and there was light.
v26 - Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = 3
Calling the Truth of Elohim as "false" you declare yourself as wiser then God the FATHER, wiser then the LORD Jesus, wiser then the Holy Spirit
Calling the Truth of Elohim as "false" you declare yourself wiser then the Apostles.
Apostle John - "In the beginning(Genesis 1:1) was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."
Apostle Paul - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. = 3
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David in NJ
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According to the TRUTH/Scripture, what does "firstborn over all creation" mean???
David in NJ
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RESURRECTION of the dead bodies in the earth.
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Flesh bodies go back to the earth where they were made from.
Our spirit and soul goes to God where they came from and either go to Heaven or to Hell
David in NJ
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RESURRECTION of the dead bodies in the earth.
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Flesh bodies go back to the earth where they were made from.
Our spirit and soul goes to God where they came from and either go to Heaven or to Hell
CadyandZoe
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My argument is with the Council of Nicaea, who proposed the Trinity Doctrine.
The plural form of God in Genesis -- elohim -- was borrowed from the Babylonians. Its usage in Genesis is NOT intended to indicate plurality. This often happens when a term is borrowed from another language and given a new meaning.
In this context, the term "word" or "logos" doesn't refer to a person. Here the apostle John recounts the creation to emphasize the idea that the origin of creation was a command. God spoke things into existence. The verbal pattern in Genesis chapter one includes the phrase: "And God said." No amount of force or power was required to bring creation into existence. God simply spoke and his will was done.
The Apostle indicates that God the Father is above all. In order for this to be true, and it is true, there can be no other. In other words, God the son is NOT the second person of an eternal Trinity. Paul declares that God the Father is above all, including Jesus.
CadyandZoe
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No. Your view is based on an early error among scholars that has since been corrected. Scholars originally thought that the root word of "monogenes" was "genos:birth" but they have since changed their minds. They now think that the root word is "genea" which refers to race, generation, kind, class.
As such, translations used to say "only begotten" or "only born" or "only child." Given this new scholarship, many translations now reflect this correction -- Jesus is the "one-of-a-kind" son.
The point is this, out of all of the kings of Israel who sat on the throne of David, Jesus is a unique, one-of-a-kind king.
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