THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[face2face]

Are you saying that all Christians have a heavenly calling? (Heb 3:1) Where does that leave the meek who will inherit the earth? (Matt 5:5)

If everyone goes to heaven what was the purpose of creating them as humans on earth?

No-one goes to Heaven! Well not in this epoch of time!

 

[David in NJ]

Are you saying that all Christians have a heavenly calling? (Heb 3:1) Where does that leave the meek who will inherit the earth? (Matt 5:5)

If everyone goes to heaven what was the purpose of creating them as humans on earth?

The saints are the meek who inherit the earth.

When we are resurrected into Glorified Bodies, we will rule and reign with Christ on the earth.

Do you believe that it is impossible for God to lie to us?

 

[David in NJ]

Good Night @face2face @ewq1938 @Aunty Jane

 

[Aunty Jane]

“true saints long to be with Christ on earth to help bring about its renewal”

The saints are the meek who inherit the earth.

When we are resurrected into Glorified Bodies, we will rule and reign with Christ on the earth.

Do you believe that it is impossible for God to lie to us?

Do the saints need to be on earth to bring about the renewal that Paul speaks about?

Col 1:3-5….
”We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love that you have for all the saints, because of the hope laid up for you in heaven. Of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel”. (ESV)

What is the purpose of a glorified spiritual body to dwell on a material earth? What kind of body did Christ have to sacrifice?
Those “born again” are not going to dwell on earth but are taken to where Jesus said he was going to “prepare a place for them”…..was that on earth? Or was Christ going back to his Father in heaven, where he has many dwelling places (not mansions) reserved for them?

 

[face2face]

Good Night @face2face @ewq1938 @Aunty Jane

Sleep well - lets pray the Son rises in the morning!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Do you believe that it is impossible for God to lie to us?

Do you? Who are spoken about in the “first resurrection”? And what is their role? (Rev 20:6)
Where is the temple where Jesus will carry out his role as High Priest and where the 144,000 will assist him as “kings and priests” in his Kingdom? It is the place where Paul indicated “types and shadows”….typical representations of things to come…..the grand spiritual Temple is in heaven, the place where Jesus offered his blood to redeem the whole human race.

Heb 9:24-26…..NASB
“For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”

 

[Heart2Soul]

That depends on who you believe this designation pertains to….
Can you tell me what it means to be a “joint heir with Christ”?
What is Christ inheriting that his “saints” also inherit? Is heaven the only destination for Christians?
That is not what the Bible says. “The meek shall inherit the earth”…so who are they?

Who is “we” spoken about there?
What is redemption?
Who are redeemed, and why do they need it?
What is this “adoption” that the Bible speaks of?
How does one go from being ai “servant” to being a “son” and “heir”?

You see there are these verse quoted as some kind of proof texting, but most who quote them have no idea what they actually mean because it’s all filtered through a trinitarians lens….take that lens away and there is a whole other story, not obscured by man made doctrines.

I am too old to play like this. When a question is asked then an answer would be great. But answering a question with a question to me shows lack of sincerity to grow in truth for yourself and for me or whoever you are engaged with. I am not here to dominate, control or be puffed up about what I know or don't know about scripture. I just finished a 16 week semester in college and I am worn out.
This is what I believe. The Word of God is a Living Word, As Solomon said in the Song of Solomon there nothing new under the sun, so I believe every letter of that Holy Bible applies to me today, whether it is teaching me wisdom, warning me about how I live my life encouraging me when I need it most, but mostly it gives my spirit peace.
The letter from Paul is to the church of Ephesus and since he was speaking to the crowd of people and he was using present tense nouns...He assured the Gentiles that God was no respecter of persons. He loves all His creation equally.
. I know that I am the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ and that I am bought by the shedding of His Blood, my sins are covered and I am redeemed, my name is in the Book of Life and I have access to my Father and I can call Him Abba:Father and as an adopted child I am now sealed into the Tribe of Judah, I am heir to the throne of God and can approach Him as a humble daughter. And on Judgment Day when I stand before God to be judged and He asks be "Why should I let you enter" and I say Blessed Father I am your daughter and I have been redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. And He will enter in.
Without the shedding of blood there is no redemption of sin. God came to the point that He no longer desired animal sacrifice and that was when the time had come for the Savior of the world to arrive, and any person who believed on Him and confessed Him with there mouth and believed in their heart that He is the Son of God shall be saved.as God gave the world His only begotten Son.
There is a time of revival still set aside for the Jews to accept Jesus as Lord and be saved. I am a Gentile...but I am not ashamed because I had no part in deciding whose womb I would be conceived from. But I do know I love my Lord and Savior, and am humble and grateful that He would even consider me.
I love my Father and we talk often.
That is all I am going to say. It is out of a humble spirit that I entertained your questions challenging me to see if I know what I read in the Bible...Yes I do, only because the Holy Spirit helps me and teaches me the hidden wisdom of God's Word and gives me new Revelation of the meaning of scripture continually. I am amazed how much depth there is to just 1 Book, 1 Chapter, 1 verse...and I say wow Holy Spirit why didn't you show me that before....and He says line upon line, precept upon precept seek and you will find.


The end

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice if I was to ask you what you believe the “saints” will be doing in heaven as “joint heirs” with Christ, how would you answer?
What does it mean to be a “joint heir”? This is saying that Christ has an inheritance from his Father that is shared with others, but as the scriptures bring out, these are not the only ones who gain an inheritance. What of the ”meek who shall inherit the earth”? That too is an inheritance….so what is the connection between the two? What is the relationship between these two groups of ‘inheritors’?…..ones bound for heaven and the others remaining on earth?

What does Jesus say in the Lord’s Prayer? “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.
What are we taught to pray for? What role does the “Kingdom” play in that picture?
The “saints” knew after Pentecost, exactly what that meant, and where they were going and why.

As one anointed by God’s spirit, how can you be lacking in this basic knowledge? Please help me understand your position.

Hi Aunty, I could never ever help you understand my position, only the Lord can do that.

Do you understand what it means to be in the flesh Aunty?

A Born Again isn’t in the flesh, they are in the Spirit, the Spirit has birthed their spirit into his.

As we grow in the Spirit, our mind becomes spiritual, as when we became Born Again in our spirit, we were gifted spirit eyes and ears, because we now belong to God as his spirit children, the Holy Spirit who indwells our spirit, helps us develop our spirit ears and our spirit eyes, we see through the eyes of the Spirit.,

Flesh gives birth to flesh = human birth.

Spirit gives birth to spirit = supernatural birth that = comes by divine ,heart revelatiotn.

What is your understanding of being Born Again by= supernatural divine heart revelation.?

If that makes no sense to you, then I can’t see how we can further our discussion.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

....continued @Aunty Jane
As we grow in the Spirit, our mind becomes spiritual, as when we became Born Again in our spirit, we were gifted spirit eyes and ears, because we now belong to God as his spirit children, the Holy Spirit who indwells our spirit, helps us develop our spirit ears and our spirit eyes, we see through the eyes of the Spirit.,

[16] But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. [17] For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.


I became Born Of The Spirit, The Spirit speaks to my spirit Aunty, he is the one who witnesses of Gods truth to my spirit...how else can we know of God’s existence Aunty...without the Spirit Of Truth indwelling our spirit?

By whose witness do you know that God exists?

Where do we need to know of God before we can communicate with him?...via his Holy Spirit?


Spiritual Blessings
(Romans 8:28–34)

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.

7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ.

11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory.

13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.

Spiritual Wisdom
(1 Corinthians 2:6–16)

15For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him.

18I ask that the eyes of your heartb may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of His mighty strength, 20which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

22And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

 

[RLT63]

Here it is in the Mounce Interlinear….
”In en the beginning archē was eimi the ho Word logos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi with pros ·ho God theos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi God theos.“
Take note of that little word “ho”….

There it is….”ho logos” (the Word) who was ”with ho theos’ but the Word was only “theos”.…no definite article. Yet the definite article is missing in the translation where it actually belonged. It changes the whole meaning of that verse…..reverses it.

Two “gods” (divine mighty ones) are in that verse…..but that is not all….see the word “WAS “ (”eimi”)?….that is the same word that Jesus used in John 8:58 saying that “before Abraham, I WAS”……not “I Am”. A past tense question was answered with a past tense statement.

You are perhaps reading a trinitarian interlinear…..It’s there in other interlinears.

The Kingdom Interlinear reads….
”In ἀρχῇ beginning ἦν was ὁ the λόγος, Word, καὶ and ὁ the λόγος Word ἦν was πρὸς toward τὸν the θεόν, God, καὶ and θεὸς god ἦν was ὁ the λόγος.”
The phrasing is a little different in Greek, saying that the Word was with τὸν θεόν, (the God) and “god was the Word”.

No, in John 1:1, the Greek phrase "theos" (meaning "God") is used without the definite article "ho,"so it appears simply as "theos" - which is significant in interpreting the verse, as the lack of "ho" can be understood as indicating a different grammatical function compared to when "ho theos" is used elsewhere in the Bible, referring directly to "the God.".
Source: Google

 

[TheHC]

Are you a 'jw'?

jw's think like this - "Christ is God's purpose"

No, Jesus is God’s Firstborn, God’s Only-begotten Son,’; He fulfills God’s purposes. He’s a person.

 

[Verily]

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Born Again are Gods begotten Children.

spirit children, Born Of The Spirit...our spirit is reborn.

Without being Born Of The Spirit, how on earth would one communicate with the Living God, via His Holy Spirit?

Another view.

In 1 John 3 we are told that we are children of God, born of Him. As a mark of God's great love, we are His children. Jesus explained this to Nicodemus as being “born again” (John 3:3). This phrase is one that has almost been clichéd out of any meaning, but think about it: born again.

 

[Scott Downey]

No, Jesus is God’s Firstborn, God’s Only-begotten Son,’; He fulfills God’s purposes. He’s a person.

Do you believe when Christ died He completely ceased to exist? or fell asleep, until His resurrection?
As in no consciousness after death

 

[TheHC]

Do you believe when Christ died He completely ceased to exist? or fell asleep, until His resurrection?
As in no consciousness after death

Of course! That’s what happens at death, and why the Resurrection is so important.

1 Corinthians 15:3,4…
“For among the first things I handed on to you was what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; 4 and that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures”

Vs.20 tells us…
“But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death.”

 

[Ritajanice]

I’m being cremated, how can I be asleep ,when I’ve been toasted and are now dust/ ashes?

 

[Scott Downey]

Of course! That’s what happens at death, and why the Resurrection is so important.

1 Corinthians 15:3,4…
“For among the first things I handed on to you was what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; 4 and that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures”

Vs.20 tells us…
“But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death.”

Christ says they shall never die

John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

The body dies, the spirit does not die, the ones who believe in Him never die.
The body falls asleep.

Since Christ says they never die, then there is no possibility of death ever.

 

[Scott Downey]

John 10

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Of course the body dies, you see it dead. No one sees the spirit or the soul. That spirit if it has eternal life never dies.
Resurrection gives life to a dead body

The spirit flees the body when the body dies and only has a couple places it goes after the death of the body.
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

Gave up His spirit, it did not cease to exist. the spirit was released from the body.

 

[Ritajanice]

Of course the body dies, you see it dead. No one sees the spirit or the soul. That spirit if it has eternal life never dies.
Resurrection gives life to a dead body

What dead body when there isn’t one, your post makes no sense?
you must be talking about a spirit body?

 

[Scott Downey]

In heaven exist the spirits of just men made perfect.
So they exist without the body.

Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the [a]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.