THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Grailhunter]

That is incorrect. What else can I say? It's a matter of fact and can be verified by anyone with a Greek Lexicon.

It is more than what the Greek dictionary or Lexicon says what definition is?
Again put the word you think it is in the verse. John 3:16

 

[David in NJ]

The term "firstborn" is often used figuratively to mean "the person who rules the family." The firstborn of all creation indicates the person who rules over all creation.

Anything else???

Does the scripture definitively define for us "firstborn over all creation" ???

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

A son as opposed to THE son? So, you admit there was a time before that day that Jesus was not the Son of God?

I quoted Psalm 2:7. I explained that biologically, Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb and born and on that day He became the Father's Son. This does not nullify His pre-existence as the second person of the Triune God, )the WORD, Who emptied Himself, became flesh and dwelt among us) before the world existed.
You struggle with that and cannot grasp that as Jesus implied some would not. " who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped". Phil. 2:6

 

[JLB]

There is only one creator of heaven and earth. The Father is the creator of heaven and earth.

You willingly and knowing deny what the scriptures so plainly say.

No use discussing this any further since you openly deny the truth.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Anything else???

Does the scripture definitively define for us "firstborn over all creation" ???

The meaning is clear.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You willingly and knowing deny what the scriptures so plainly say.

I believe the scriptures. I don't believe the Council of Nicea's interpretation of them.

No use discussing this any further since you openly deny the truth.

In my view, you have inadvertently spoken falsehood. And I'm saddened that you want to end the journey here.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It is more than what the Greek dictionary or Lexicon says what definition is?

Yes. The definition of a word is what the author meant to say in the passage where the term appears.

Again put the word you think it is in the verse. John 3:16

The meaning is the same. "For God so loved the world that he gave his "one-of-a-kind" son . . .

 

[Wrangler]

ee, you avoid the question, can't answer, fumble and disregard it.
> Answer the question: How can He possess all authority (power) in heaven and on earth if He is not God?

I did NONE of the things you accuse me of! You invoke circular reasoning. What makes you think God is restricted in who he can give ALL authority to?

It is circular to suppose God gave authority to himself! Not ‘the Father’ as the trinitarians prefer but God, in his Unitarian nature, gave all authority to Jesus AFTER he demonstrated obedience on to death on the cross.

Scripture explicitly says Jesus is a man. That’s good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?

 

[Wrangler]

No, that Jeremiah 1:5 scripture pertains to Jerimiah and can be applied to all created humans, not Jesus.

Now, you are contradicting yourself. Jesus is a human being. Therefore, Jeremiah 1:5 applies to Jesus.

 

[Wrangler]

This does not nullify His pre-existence as the second person of the Triune God,

You keep asserting your doctrine in circular fashion. You asked me about the glory Jesus had before and I answered it. You have to live with the answer now.

FYI. None of my answers will EVER support the trinity in any way because the trinity is inherently contradictory.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes. The definition of a word is what the author meant to say in the passage where the term appears.

The meaning is the same. "For God so loved the world that he gave his "one-of-a-kind" son . . .

You still have not put the word in the verse that you think it is.
If you are patient I will teach you something about the Greek language.

 

[JLB]

I believe the scriptures. I don't believe the Council of Nicea's interpretation of them.

I don’t quote or follow man made creeds or councils.

I quoted scripture.

You blatantly denied what the scriptures so plainly teach.

 

[Wrangler]

What does "in Christ" mean if He is not God?

I’m glad you asked that question. God was God before Jesus came into existence at his birth.

BC There were 2 groups: Gentiles and Jews under the Covenant that God directly established with the Patriarchs.

God established a New Covenant that united these 2 groups. How? In Christ. Through Christ. And for Christ.

A way to know that Jesus is not God is that Jesus got an inheritance from God. All authority in the created universe on Earth and heaven is a mighty big inheritance. Now, ask yourself why there is a single exception to what Jesus has authority over? 1 Cor 15:27.

 

[IronMaiden]

Only the elect obtain salvation, the rest are blinded
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Romans 11:7
What then? Israel has not obtained what it was seeking. But the elect obtained it, and the rest were hardened.

Only the elect are untouchable
Romans 8:33
Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

Only the elect have their sins forgiven by the blood of Christ and they are elect by the will of the Father and Christ, only they will see God and know God, Father and Son. If your not His chosen elect you will not be a believer in Christ as only the elect believe. Only the elect are born again. Only the elect will confess Christ before men. Only the elect will be glorified with Christ and have everlasting life.

So then rejoice that your names are written in Heaven, your name is in the Lamb's book of life.

Luke 8:10
He said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’


1 Peter 1
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Praise to God for a Living Hope​

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

Absolutely!

 

[Scott Downey]

Absolutely!

Yeah, God runs deep, those are the deep things of God.

Amen!

1 Cor 2
9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

 

[IronMaiden]

Yeah, God runs deep, those are the deep things of God.

Amen!

1 Cor 2
9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

I love the Word of God, the deeper the better!

 

[Scott Downey]

Read it and see the pictures, from 230 AD.

Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found — deemed ‘greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls’

Scientists are going gaga over the earliest inscription declaring “Jesus is God,” claiming that this 1,800-year-old engraving could change our understanding of Christianity.

nypost.com

Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found — deemed ‘greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls’​

If only these floors could talk.

Scientists are going gaga over the earliest inscription declaring “Jesus is God,” claiming that this 1,800-year-old engraving could change our understanding of Christianity.

The mosaic is “the greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls,” declared Carlos Campo, CEO of the Museum of the Bible in Washington D.C., where the theologically significant relic has been housed since July, the Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) reported.

Dubbed the Meggido Mosaic, the 581-foot artifact was originally underneath a floor of the Meggido Prison in Israel in 2005, after which it was excavated in pieces by the Israel Antiquities Authority over the course of four years.

Inscribed on the mosaic are Greek words, “The god-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial. Lin described this as the “first physical proclamation of Jesus Christ as God,” the Daily Mail reported.

“The mosaic presents groundbreaking physical evidence of the practices and beliefs of early Christians, including the first archaeological instance of the phrase, ‘God Jesus Christ,’ seconded the exhibition’s curator Alegre Savariego.

This was significant as the artifact declared JC as God before Christianity became part of the Roman empire, JNS reported.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/19/scien...eatest-discovery-since-the-dead-sea-scrolls/#

 

[Grailhunter]

Read it and see the pictures, from 230 AD.

Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found — deemed ‘greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls’

Scientists are going gaga over the earliest inscription declaring “Jesus is God,” claiming that this 1,800-year-old engraving could change our understanding of Christianity.

nypost.com

Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found — deemed ‘greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls’​

If only these floors could talk.

Scientists are going gaga over the earliest inscription declaring “Jesus is God,” claiming that this 1,800-year-old engraving could change our understanding of Christianity.

The mosaic is “the greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls,” declared Carlos Campo, CEO of the Museum of the Bible in Washington D.C., where the theologically significant relic has been housed since July, the Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) reported.

Dubbed the Meggido Mosaic, the 581-foot artifact was originally underneath a floor of the Meggido Prison in Israel in 2005, after which it was excavated in pieces by the Israel Antiquities Authority over the course of four years.

Inscribed on the mosaic are Greek words, “The god-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial. Lin described this as the “first physical proclamation of Jesus Christ as God,” the Daily Mail reported.

“The mosaic presents groundbreaking physical evidence of the practices and beliefs of early Christians, including the first archaeological instance of the phrase, ‘God Jesus Christ,’ seconded the exhibition’s curator Alegre Savariego.

This was significant as the artifact declared JC as God before Christianity became part of the Roman empire, JNS reported.

Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found — deemed ‘greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls’

They are making new discoveries all the time that prove things and events in the Bible are factual.

 

[Grailhunter]

Read it and see the pictures, from 230 AD.

Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found — deemed ‘greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls’

Scientists are going gaga over the earliest inscription declaring “Jesus is God,” claiming that this 1,800-year-old engraving could change our understanding of Christianity.

nypost.com

Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found — deemed ‘greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls’​

If only these floors could talk.

Scientists are going gaga over the earliest inscription declaring “Jesus is God,” claiming that this 1,800-year-old engraving could change our understanding of Christianity.

The mosaic is “the greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls,” declared Carlos Campo, CEO of the Museum of the Bible in Washington D.C., where the theologically significant relic has been housed since July, the Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) reported.

Dubbed the Meggido Mosaic, the 581-foot artifact was originally underneath a floor of the Meggido Prison in Israel in 2005, after which it was excavated in pieces by the Israel Antiquities Authority over the course of four years.

Inscribed on the mosaic are Greek words, “The god-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial. Lin described this as the “first physical proclamation of Jesus Christ as God,” the Daily Mail reported.

“The mosaic presents groundbreaking physical evidence of the practices and beliefs of early Christians, including the first archaeological instance of the phrase, ‘God Jesus Christ,’ seconded the exhibition’s curator Alegre Savariego.

This was significant as the artifact declared JC as God before Christianity became part of the Roman empire, JNS reported.

Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found — deemed ‘greatest discovery since the Dead Sea Scrolls’

Thanks for the video

 

[David in NJ]

The meaning is clear.

Here is the exact words of Truth

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

What do the three verses in BOLD declare about JESUS???

What does being the exact "image of the invisible God" mean to you?