The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[JBO]

Thats describing the giving of the Gift of Faith ! So these verses shows how there is an application of deliverance from the prison of unbelief, in the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus !

Faith is not a gift. Salvation is a gift to those with faith

Lets look at Isa 42:7

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Thats describing the giving of the Gift of Faith ! So these verses shows how there is an application of deliverance from the prison of unbelief, in the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus !

I think that is not a very good interpretation of that verse. That passage begins in verse 1 with the address, "Behold my Servant". It seems to me that passage, Isaiah 42:1-9, is being addressed to one, anyone, who acknowledges and worships God. A servant is one who obeys and serves; in this case, one who obeys and serves God. So verse 7 is not about faith, rather it is about knowledge. To open the eyes of His servant, means that God will give him the necessary instruction to be a good servant. The prison here is the prison of ignorance, not unbelief.

 

[JBO]

You obviously dont believe the death of Christ redeemed them He died for from all iniquity, and He purifies them unto good works Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

I think you are misinterpreting or misusing the word or term "iniquity". It basically means perversity, evil, lawlessness. It do not believe that unbelief fits into that. Jesus died to save the believer from his sins. Unbelief is not a sin of a believer, by definition. It is an interesting issue that I have not given much thought to.

 

[Ritajanice]

Faith is the gift from God...when we are Born from Above...without faith that God gives us when Spirit gives birth to spirit.....then we know God through the testifying with our spirit that we are His children.

Only the Holy Spirit can do the will of the Father.....Born from above....is an Act of God and NO other....it’s the Holy Spirit that testifies with our spirit.

Faith does not come from man....it comes from God and it’s a faith that is Alive!!....the Holy Spirit is Alive in His children hearts...my testimony and belief...

Ephesians​

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Eph.2​

[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[2] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Hence “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “....he births our spirit into his....the carnal mind could NEVER understand this....

We are saved from eternal damnation the minute or second we are Born of God....

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. Faith is a fruit of the Spirit, it comes from the Holy Spirit not man. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23 KJV

 

[rebuilder 454]

Faith is the gift from God...when we are Born from Above...without faith that God gives us when Spirit gives birth to spirit.....then we know God through the testifying with our spirit that we are His children.

Only the Holy Spirit can do the will of the Father.....Born from above....is an Act of God and NO other....it’s the Holy Spirit that testifies with our spirit.

Faith does not come from man....it comes from God and it’s a faith that is Alive!!....the Holy Spirit is Alive in His children hearts...my testimony and belief...

Ephesians​

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Previous Chapter​

Eph.2​

[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[2] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Hence “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “....he births our spirit into his....the carnal mind could NEVER understand this....

We are saved from eternal damnation the minute or second we are Born of God....

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

She also thinks healing is not a part of the atonement.
" for this reason was the son of man manifest, that he might destroy the works of the devil"

 

[Ritajanice]

She also thinks healing is not a part of the atonement.
" for this reason was the son of man manifest, that he might destroy the works of the devil"

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As used in the scriptures, to atone is to suffer the penalty for sins, thereby removing the effects of sin from the repentant sinner and allowing him or her to be reconciled to God. Jesus Christ was the only one capable of carrying out the Atonement for all mankind.

 

[JBO]

Faith is the gift from God...when we are Born from Above...without faith that God gives us when Spirit gives birth to spirit.....then we know God through the testifying with our spirit that we are His children.

Only the Holy Spirit can do the will of the Father.....Born from above....is an Act of God and NO other....it’s the Holy Spirit that testifies with our spirit.

Faith does not come from man....it comes from God and it’s a faith that is Alive!!....the Holy Spirit is Alive in His children hearts...my testimony and belief...

Ephesians​

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Previous Chapter​

Eph.2​

[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[2] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Hence “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “....he births our spirit into his....the carnal mind could NEVER understand this....

We are saved from eternal damnation the minute or second we are Born of God....

No, faith is not a gift from God. Ephesians 2:8 does not say that faith is the gift.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Greek grammar will not permit that interpretation. Both charis, i.e. grace and pistis, i.e., faith, are feminine nouns . Touto, i.e, that, is a neuter pronoun. It cannot be referencing either grace or faith. Rather it must be referencing the entire phrase, "by grace you have been saved through faith". That is the only acceptable interpretation. And that is the only logical meaning theologically. And that Particularly in light of Paul's explanation in Romans 10 for the origin of faith, namely, that faith comes by hearing the word about Christ.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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As used in the scriptures, to atone is to suffer the penalty for sins, thereby removing the effects of sin from the repentant sinner and allowing him or her to be reconciled to God. Jesus Christ was the only one capable of carrying out the Atonement for all mankind.

Atonement is basically "At one ment"
To think being made WHOLE omits devine health is bizarre, and yet this forum basically rejects the obvious.
If it is Gods will to be sick, then never, ever pray for healing as you will be confused ,thinking not only is healing against God , but we may destroy Gods work by asking out of his will.
Healing is part of the atonement, as Isaiah declared

 

[rebuilder 454]

But i do realize that basic fact goes over all heads here.
Just plain ridiculous.

 

[Ritajanice]

No, faith is not a gift from God. Ephesians 2:8 does not say that faith is the gift.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Greek grammar will not permit that interpretation. Both charis, i.e. grace and pistis, i.e., faith, are feminine nouns . Touto, i.e, that, is a neuter pronoun. It cannot be referencing either grace or faith. Rather it must be referencing the entire phrase, "by grace you have been saved through faith". That is the only acceptable interpretation. And that is the only logical meaning theologically. And that Particularly in light of Paul's explanation in Romans 10 for the origin of faith, namely, that faith comes by hearing the word about Christ.

I have posted scripture to prove that only God can give faith and he gives it through the Spirit.

You have a hard time understanding that.....you cannot muster up your own faith....God given...period...there is NO glory in you..mustering up your own faith...you are nothing without the Spirit of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

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Atonement is basically "At one ment"
To think being made WHOLE omits devine health is bizarre, and yet this forum basically rejects the obvious.
If it is Gods will to be sick, then never, ever pray for healing as you will be confused ,thinking not only is healing against God , but we may destroy Gods work by asking out of his will.
Healing is part of the atonement, as Isaiah declared

I’m talking about God gives faith in my post..not interested in what you say here, as it’s not relevant to God given faith.

A Born Again belongs to God as soon as Spirit gives birth to spirit...and not before...then we are saved from eternal damnation...

The Spiritual rebirth is Alive...Spirit gives birth to spirit...just like flesh gives birth to flesh..only that’s a physical birth....Born Again is a spiritual birth...only God through his Spirit can birth our spirit into his....Gods word is Alive and Active.....he’s not “ DEAD”.
The carnal mind wouldn’t understand this.

 

[JBO]

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As used in the scriptures, to atone is to suffer the penalty for sins, thereby removing the effects of sin from the repentant sinner and allowing him or her to be reconciled to God. Jesus Christ was the only one capable of carrying out the Atonement for all mankind.

Atone or atonement occurs over 50 times in the OT, depending upon which English version is used. In some of those instances it is dealing with sin. But not in all instances. In some cases it was for cleansing the unclean. For example, Exo 29:37 "For seven days you shall make atonement for the altar and consecrate it; then the altar shall be most holy, and whatever touches the altar shall be holy.

 

[Ritajanice]

Atone or atonement occurs over 50 times in the OT, depending upon which English version is used. In some of those instances it is dealing with sin. But not in all instances. In some cases it was for cleansing the unclean. For example, Exo 29:37 "For seven days you shall make atonement for the altar and consecrate it; then the altar shall be most holy, and whatever touches the altar shall be holy.

As I’ve already said.....Faith is from God...we are under the New Covenant not the Old Covenant.

Born from Above is exactly as God says it is..Born of God and not of man..

I don’t need to hear any of what you have posted...I’m Born Again by the Spirit of God and I know in my spirit..I’m 100% saved..the second I was Born of God...therefore rest in that knowledge that i received direct to my heart...31 yrs again.

I’m sorry that you are having a hard time understanding what “ Born Again “ means...

 

[JBO]

I have posted scripture to prove that only God can give faith and he gives it through the Spirit.

No you have not posted any such scripture, because there is no such scripture.

 

[Ritajanice]

No you have not posted any such scripture, because there is no such scripture.

I have posted scripture...only you dismiss it..

You are having a hard time understanding that faith comes from God....and not from you mustering up your own faith...as you have posted and said countless time.

A Born Again knows 100% they are Born Again...only God through his Spirit can testify that to his child.

You can’t know God without the Spirit......Faith from God is Alive...mans faith is dead.

Unfortunately you don’t understand the “ Living “ spiritual birth...” Spirit gives birth to spirit “.

The carnal mind can never understand this...

 

[JBO]

I have posted scripture...only you dismiss it..

You are having a hard time understanding that faith comes from God....and not from you mustering up your own faith...as you have posted and said countless time.

You haven't posted any such scripture. And I didn't dismiss it. It is not there. You have a hard time understanding even what faith is.

 

[Ritajanice]

I didn't dismiss it. It is not there. You have a hard time understanding even what faith is.

It is there and for all to see...only you don’t understand it....

Faith comes from God....you have NO faith and can’t walk in faith, without the Spirit of God....he is the one who testifies with our spirit....something else.you don’t understand?

A Born Again has a “ Living Faith”. which you have no idea what that mean....unlike mans faith...which is no faith at all.

Because it’s dead..we need to be Born Again to receive God given faith..

English Standard Version
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Berean Standard Bible
I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

We live by faith..because we have received the Spirit of God.....you can’t possibly walk in Faith without the Spirit of God.

Only God can give you that faith via his Holy Spirit...it’s heart revelation given by God to those who are Born Again..

Unfortunately a carnal mind couldn’t possibly understand this.

 

[JBO]

It is there and for all to see...only you don’t understand it....

Faith comes from God....you have NO faith and can’t walk in faith, without the Spirit of God....he is the one who testifies with our spirit....something else.you don’t understand?

A Born Again has a “ Living Faith”. which you have no idea what that mean....unlike mans faith...which is no faith at all.

Because it’s dead..we need to be Born Again to receive God given faith..

Give us the book, chapter and verse about that "Living faith"? Then perhaps we might know what you are talking about. But, of course, the problem that you will have is that it is not there. It is only in your mind.

 

[Ritajanice]

Give us the book, chapter and verse about that "Living faith"? Then perhaps we might know what you are talking about. But, of course, the problem that you will have is that it is not there. It is only in your mind.

You are getting nasty because you don’t understand what quite a few have tried to explain to you...including me.
It’s in my mind because imo you aren’t understanding through the Spirit?....
Spirit gives birth to spirit.....that is a live spiritual birth is it not?

Just like the flesh birth...it’s a living flesh birth?........are you understanding?....my question is why aren’t you understanding the Living spiritual birth, that is so easy to understand..” Spirit gives birth to spirit “

God testifies with our spirit that we are his children..he does it through his Spirit....do you understand that?

If not..I guess we will cease discussion?...because you aren’t understanding in the Spirit..imo.
Do you understand this scripture...?....

Berean Standard Bible
I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.


The life in live in the body , I live by Faith...because I have received the Spirit into my heart?

How else could I live by faith without the Spirit?...that indwells my heart?

Do you know he indwells your heart 100%?

You know God’s word is “ Alive and Active?

What does that mean?

 

[JBO]

You are getting nasty because you don’t understand what quite a few have tried to explain to you...including me.
It’s in my mind because imo you aren’t understanding through the Spirit?....
Spirit gives birth to spirit.....that is a live spiritual birth is it not?

Just like the flesh birth...it’s a living flesh birth?........are you understanding?....my question is why aren’t you understanding the Living spiritual birth, that is so easy to understand..” Spirit gives birth to spirit “

God testifies with our spirit that we are his children..he does it through his Spirit....do you understand that?

If not..I guess we will cease discussion?...because you aren’t understanding in the Spirit..imo.
Do you understand this scripture...?....

Berean Standard Bible
I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.


The life in live in the body , I live by Faith...because I have received the Spirit into my heart?

How else could I live by faith without the Spirit?...that indwells my heart?

Do you know he indwells your heart 100%?

You know God’s word is “ Alive and Active?

What does that mean?

Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

That verse does not say anything about a "Living Faith". It does not say anything about God giving us faith. You hold to an unbiblical theology.

And I am not getting nasty. I could get nasty about your faulty theology, but I will try my best not to.

 

[Ritajanice]

Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

That verse does not say anything about a "Living Faith". It does not say anything about God giving us faith. You hold to an unbiblical theology.

And I am not getting nasty. I could get nasty about your faulty theology, but I will try my best not to.

Yes it does...and “ Yet again “ you can’t answer my questions.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.....is a “ Living Birth “....that is Living Faith from God...we have the Spirit of God testifying with our spirit.....why aren’t you understanding what that means, if you are Born Again?

If anyone theology is faulty...it is yours....no questions ever answered and you don’t even know what “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “ means.....as we can see.

It must be awful not knowing who one is in Christ .

So, I see no reason to discuss any further with you.....you just aren’t understanding....

How can “ YOU” have faith without the Spirit of God @JBO .....?

What is the Spirit of God?

How dos one know they have the Spirit of God in their hearts?