The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is what gives God the authority to forgive the sins of the penitent believer, when His Holiness demands payment of the penalty for sin committed. When that forgiveness actually occurs is when that penitent believer is baptized.
The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Behold
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"faith is counted as rightousness".,, not water baptism.
Ask the dying Thief on the Cross... who is in heaven right now.....>"why did you get to go to Heaven, as you were not water baptized, and my WATER CULT told me that water was required.
Or, ask the Eunuch, in Acts 8, who wanted to be water baptized, and Philip told him... "you may be water baptized, AFTER, and as long as you have BELIEVED WITH ALL YOUR HEART, FIRST".
Jesus said..>"All that Believe in me, i give unto you Eternal LIFE".
He never said, "if you get into the water first"...
So, as i told you.. HELL is filled with people who were told....>"the water washed away your sin" and they DIED and found out it didnt.
Thats a fact.
Behold
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@JBO,
Im talking about YOUR water cult "cult of Mary" teaching that tries to prove that water baptism, is required as a essential part of the redemption through Christ.... that is only offered by God as "Justification by FAITH".
You're the one, im talking about.
Your false "cult of Mary" "water cult" teaching.
Behold
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John 14:6 is not "garbage', but your Cult of Mary teaching is very much so.
See, its "Justification by FAITH".......and not by WATER and not by Works.
JESUS is the only "WAY" to "the Father".. and water baptism need not apply.
One way or another @JBO, you'll discover that water baptism didn't die on the Cross for sin.
And you'll discover that trying denigrate the Blood of Jesus that is The NEW Covenant, by teaching that water baptism is required for Salvation, is a bad mistake.
But, it can be that once you SEE IT,... if you ever can get this revelation......that this can lead you into Truth and out of a WATER CULT deception.
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John's baptism was never for the forgiveness of sins, it was to prepare the way for Jesus who would baptize with the Holy Spirit all who believed and repented of their sins. John's mission was to go before Jesus to give knowledge of salvation through the Lord by the remission of their sins. John came filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb for this very task. Nowhere in Scripture does it say John or anyone else could baptize in water to give eternal life through salvation. It is only through baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes only through Jesus that man may be born again for eternal life.
Luke 1:13-17 (KJV) But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Luke 1:76-77 (KJV) And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
John 1:21-23 (KJV) And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Mark 9:11-13 (KJV) And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit cannot be accomplished by baptizing in water. Holy Spirit baptism comes only through the baptism that Christ alone can give. Repenting of our sins is not what saves. Repentance, which John taught was that they would acknowledge their sins and turn to the One who was coming with a baptism far greater than Johns.
What "cult of Mary"? I have no idea of even what you are talking about. And I am convinced you certainly do not.
So your Bible says,
Mar 1:4 John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance NOT for the forgiveness of sins.
Luk 3:3 And he went into all the region around the Jordan, proclaiming a baptism of repentance NOT for the forgiveness of sins.
I am curious. Where did you buy that Bible? Or did you just write that in the margin after listening to some wayward preacher?
How is one redeemed from unbelief? You think somehow that God providentially forced some to believe? How ridiculous can you get?
Behold
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Of course you have no idea..
As that is the nature of deception...
So, just keep coming back, and i'll help you more...
Now read carefully....
Here is the ""cult of mary." that has found you, even tho you dont realize it.... but you will.
Their demonic bible the Douay Rheims, created the doctrine.. "baptismal regeneration" by twisting John 3, so that is says.
"born again BY or OF water"..
And no one is born again by water.
So, that theology, is also taught like this... "water washes away your sin".
So, this false satanic doctrine that teaches that water is required, or water is a redemptive essential part of God's Salvation Through Christ, that heretics teach, ... started here.
Look Carefully, and see if you can figure it out.... @JBO -
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I am not Catholic. I don't even believe in baptismal regeneration. I don't normally read from the Douay Rheims Version of the Bible. That is just three of the many things that you have wrong.
Talk about being deceived. You are a prime suspect in that.
Is that a universal truth? Or do you hold to some sort of Calvinistic beliefs about which unbelievers are redeemed?
Actually I think you are just a little tainted in you thought processes.
Behold
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"Water washes away your sin".. is "Baptismal Regeneration".
"Behold, water is where God Joins Himself to Man, and Man's sins are washed away"..
Every heard that one, @JBO ?
I think you have heard it ....
Thats "The cult of Mary" teaching that has infected many protestant denominations.
It even has the JW's trusting in water.
"Water washes away your sin".. is "Baptismal Regeneration".
"Behold, water is where God Joins Himself to Man, and Man's sins are washed away"..
Every heard that one, @JBO ?
I think you have heard it ....
Im not going to waste my time quoting your posts that demand that water is a part of your salvation.
Im just going to let the readers keep watching you dodge and spin and retool your words and rearrange your previous answers.
-Happy Landings..
I have never said, nor do I believe, that water washes away sins. Have you ever seen me write that? No you haven't. You are nothing more than a sniveling anti-Catholic. But I am not a Catholic.
However, I would like your rendition of what Paul meant when in describing his conversion said, concerning Ananias' command to him:
Was Paul baptized? Was he water baptized?
Were his sins washed away? If so,, when and how?
How about quoting even one post from me that demands that water is a part of my salvation?
How about until you do, you refrain from posting anything here?
Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !3
So because His Blood alone paid the Redemptive Price, all for whom the Blood was shed for, must be as a matter of Justice be set free from, liberated fro, released from all the consequences of sin, which unbelief is one of those consequences, hence imprisoned in unbelief because of sin !
So Those Christ died for must be brought out of the Prison house of unbelief as an evidence that God has accepted His Blood as their Redemptive Price to free them from the prison of unbelief !
Thats why it is written Isa 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Notice here that it says " The Opening of the Prison to them that are bound" Thats speaking of the Prison of Unbelief, for remember we are by nature concluded to unbelief Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
That word concluded means :
I.to shut up together, enclose
A.of a shoal of fishes in a net
II.to shut up on all sides, shut up completely
For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.HCSB
The Redemptive Death of Christ opens up the Prison of unbelief.
The word opening is the word pĕqach-qowach and means I.opening (of eyes), wide
Thats opening the eyes of Faith, remember Paul said this Acts 26:18
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Faith in Christ is the result of the opening of the eyes !
Lets look at Isa 42:7
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Thats describing the giving of the Gift of Faith ! So these verses shows how there is an application of deliverance from the prison of unbelief, in the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus !
So because His Blood alone paid the Redemptive Price, all for whom the Blood was shed for, must be as a matter of Justice be set free from, liberated fro, released from all the consequences of sin, which unbelief is one of those consequences, hence imprisoned in unbelief because of sin !
So Those Christ died for must be brought out of the Prison house of unbelief as an evidence that God has accepted His Blood as their Redemptive Price to free them from the prison of unbelief !
Thats why it is written Isa 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Notice here that it says " The Opening of the Prison to them that are bound" Thats speaking of the Prison of Unbelief, for remember we are by nature concluded to unbelief Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
That word concluded means :
I.to shut up together, enclose
A.of a shoal of fishes in a net
II.to shut up on all sides, shut up completely
For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.HCSB
The Redemptive Death of Christ opens up the Prison of unbelief.
The word opening is the word pĕqach-qowach and means I.opening (of eyes), wide
Thats opening the eyes of Faith, remember Paul said this Acts 26:18
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Faith in Christ is the result of the opening of the eyes !
Lets look at Isa 42:7
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Thats describing the giving of the Gift of Faith ! So these verses shows how there is an application of deliverance from the prison of unbelief, in the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus !
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