Sorry EG....no internet for days.
you survived..lol
sometimes I think it would be good for us
You don't have to come close to seeing it my way because I convinced you.
Only the Holy Spirit can convince you.
I agree.. But will the HS contradict himself? I think only the HS can convince you also..
But of what?
The fact that you cannot make statements that would lead some to a dangerous place.
The way you and others here speak, for instance even
@mailmandan and more, make it seem as though
it is not NECESSARY to obey God's word.
see, here you go again
Do you understand the difference between necessary (required) and will (it will happen)
A legalist will say it is necessary, The law said it was necessary to not only obey it, But they had to not break even one small command, failure to keep it 100% made them breakers of the law
God said that His children, who are born of Him, wilol change, they will obey, in fact. this is how we will know who they are (they obey)
its not a "must" or "requirement" which would make it by law It is a byproduct of salvation.
I understand this may be a hard concept.
When we look at the faith hall of fame, we see the results of people who have faith in God.
Noah, the ark. now you could say he had to build the ark to be saved, But look at it another way. His faith caused him to build the ark. He built it because he had true faith. if he had no faith, he may have started. but he would never have finished.
Same with rahab and all the others. Their faith CAUSED them to act.. It was not required. it was a byproduct..
In the same token, those who have true faith in God WILL OBEY (not perfectly) its not a must, or requirement,
We must be careful not to put people back under law which is exactly in effect what those who say obedience is required are doing, Because the law is the standard. If you want to obey yourself to heaven, the law is your standard.. Break one command (even by stumbling) and your guilty.
That is what separate's grace from work.
All Jesus spoke about what how we are to BEHAVE...
The NT is full of verses that prove we can forfeit our salvation if we do NOT follow the commandments of God and which Jesus reiterated.
I disagree, it does not contradict itself. We can not forfiet being saved from the penalty of sin, when at any moment of time, we must be saved from the penalty of sin.
I know this sounds foolish.. but that is Gods word.
In Matthew 7:23 Jesus says the LAWLESS will not see heaven.
He states nothing about saved or not saved, but only about BEHAVIOR.
I agree,
But the lawless are not saved. Again, John said they have never seen or met God.
Notice also he made this statement
23 And then I will declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who
practice lawlessness!’
1. He never knew them (they were never saved)
2. They practice sin or lawlessness.
Again, This is what John says
1 John 3: 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
1. We see, Lawlessness, Which Jesus said was practiced is sin.
2. We see whoever practices sin or lawlessness has never seen or known him (Christ) which is also the reason Christ said he has never known them in Matt 7
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
3. We see John continue, The one who is of Christ (the ones he knows) practice righteousness. They do not practice sin (lawlessness)
4. Whoever practices lawlessness is of the devil
5. The one who is born af God can not practice lawlessness, Because they have been born of God,
The NT is clear, IF we walk in darkness --- we're lost.
IF we walk in the light --- we're saved.
A child of God walks in the light, they are sealed with the spirit. and God is with them. God is light. Whoever practices sin has never seen or known God. that is what is clear.
This would be if we are under law. and this would be us earning salvation, In fact. if this is all we needed to do then Christ came in vein, why did he die for the penalty of sin, if we can make up for it ourselves by walking in the light?
We walk in the light to produce fruit, not to keep saved.
If we walk in the light, we're saved.
To be saved, we MUST walk in the light.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
Yes, Good luck trying to save yourself by doing this.. Sorry to be so blunt, but that is not what this is saying..
Its talking about fellowship. not being born again
You want to follow John...good. So do I.
John stated that IF we walk in the light, the blood of Jesus will cleanse us from all sin.
Our behavior must represent what John is teaching.
IF we walk in the light
The blood of Jesus will cleanse us.
Therefore, it is absolutely NECESSARY that we walk in the light.
No,
Thats law..
John did not want yo to look at yourself. Nor did he contradict himself.
He points to Christ, as we all should. and not point to self. if you want to get to God by your obedience, again the law is the standard.. When you stand in front of Christ, you better have lived up to the standard he gave.
