DOES BELIEF THAT ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED MEAN WE CAN SIN?

[Eternally Grateful]

it sounds like you learned a concept from men and they twisted and omitted things in the bible
to justify , maybe it was OSAS in your case . This is why i told ya i have a problem
with The doctrines that OSAS teaches . cause while there be TRUTHS in it there be lies too .
Many are the servants of sin and when i say many i speak of many within christendom .
GOD wont be mocked behold . who one serveth is who one belongs too . many unrepentant
sinners living it up and justifying their sins , THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM they actaully serve another god and another jesus .
NOW YOU need to FIGURE THAT OUT and fast . cause this judge not correct not generation is TOTALLY
destorying christendom from within .
NOW its so bad that they even try and imply ITS NOT EVEN NECESSARY to HAVE BELEIVED JESUS is the CHRIST .
leaven leavens my friend . WE IN A TOTAL MESS these days . NOT looking good at all within many
a house of worhip who holler judge not , hate not , correct not , TO THOSE who came to correct their sin loving ways
THE LIE that merges all has entered big time within EVEN CHRISTENDOM
and its gonna take all who loved sin , loved a lie FOR A RIDE TO PERDITOIN on teh DAY OF THE LORD whom it DENIED .

The problem is not osas. As with every doctrine, there are people who pervert that doctrine.

Can OSAS make one licentious? yes. Of course it can.

does it make OSAS false? Of course not.

NASAS is just as bad as a licentious OSAS belief. Both are based on pride. One says I can sin all i want and I am ok.. One says I have to work to earn my salvation. Or I will not get it.

Both come from the same deep seated strain of pride that satan has decieved many people who walk this earth

 

[Behold]

One says I can sin all i want and I am ok..

If you are born again...then you are not "Under the Law"... so, that is why 2 Corin 5:19 says that God does not charge sin, to the born again.
Romans 4:8 says the same thing, and John 3:17, is another way to understand those verses.

You want to charge sin to the born again, because you do not understand The New Covenant, the Blood Atonement, that are The Cross of Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Look again..

Jesus died on The Cross to forgive all your sin.. so that being forgiven, you can become born again,.

So, if your sin is resolved, by The Cross of Christ....then you can become a Christian.

If you still have your sin, then you are a SINNER, needing to be forgiven..


Figure this out.

Look again

jesus paid for my sin on the cross 2000 years ago. He shed his blood so we could be forgive, he has wiped out all my sin, as the blood was spilt on the mercy seat in the most holy place. So God could not see the things which charged us guilty of sin.

It does nto mean I am not guilty, it does not mean I do not sin, it means the law can not condemn me anymore. That is what saved means,

he paid for my past sins on the cross 9although they were future to him when he paid for them) he also paid for my present and future sins on the cross (again, they were all future to him)

If you say you have no sin, you are decieved. There is no discussion.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Reader,

If Jesus has your sin, because He is your "one time Eternal Sacrifice for sin".. then you are "made free" from sin.

You are become "the Righteousness of God....IN Christ".

If Jesus has not died for all your sin, then you still have it, and you are a SINNER, and not a Christian.


Figure this out.

lol. if we say we have no sin, we are decieved and there IS NO TRUTH IN US.

 

[Behold]

Look again

jesus paid for my sin on the cross 2000 years ago. He shed his blood so we could be forgive, he has wiped out all my sin, as the blood was spilt on the mercy seat in the most holy place. So God could not see the things which charged us guilty of sin.
It does nto mean I am not guilty,

First you explained The Cross and then you denied it.

You are really confused @Eternally Grateful

Listen..

If you are born again...then you are not "Under the Law"... so, that is why 2 Corin 5:19 says that God does not charge sin, to the born again.
Romans 4:8 says the same thing, and John 3:17, is another way to understand those verses.

You want to charge sin to the born again, because you do not understand The New Covenant, the Blood Atonement, that are The Cross of Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I wrote "NIV">... so thank you for never paying attention.

I did pay attention. You said if you own a KJV, I showed i owned not only that but a lot of others passages. I do nto own a NIV, (which is what your accusation was In effect)

You are correct.
John is not in contradiction with Himself.
He's correcting you.

He is correcting you.

he did not contradict himself

He never said in john 1 we can live in sin, But he did say if we claim we have no sin whatsoever we are decieved.

See, you have not understood that If Jesus does not have all your sin.. then you are a SINNER and not a Christian,

He has all of my sin, all of my sin past present and future was paid for by his blood on the cross.

again, when the father looks at me he does not see my sin, he sees his son.

 

[Behold]

lol. if we say we have no sin, we are decieved and there IS NO TRUTH IN US.

Here is the situation..

You are "made righteous" or you still have your sin.

So, to teach that a "made righteous" New Creation in Christ .. still has sin, is to Deny The Cross of Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sinners confess sin.

Yes, People who commit sin confess them, so they can be healed.

if we do not confess them, if we hide them or worse yet, if we deny them, we will suffer the results of those sins, and not be healed.

Christian's confess Christ.

I confess christ to the world

I confess my sins to Christ, and to my disciplers. Or fellow believers who are close to me so i can be healed (not saved, healed) of that particular sin

"behold, i confess my sin, so that God will resave me, and keep me saved, everytime i do it".

Sorry Bid. This is not what i do.

accuse me this one more time, i will accuse you of being a hypocrite. Not only are you in sin when you bear false witness, but you claim you have no sin 9or is is just a fault that you falsy accuse the brethren, and this is how you lie to yourself that you still have no sin)

No He won't... as God never saved you to begin with because you confessed your sin.

Actually he did, I had to repent, and confess I was a sinner, before I could recieve his gift of Grace.

That is however different than confessing personal sins which I need healed of. Because I struggle. Or I fell in a time of weakness.

 

[Behold]

I did pay attention. You said if you own a KJV,

Dont use an NIV.

He is correcting you.

Paul said that we are "made righteous"...

That is not a Sinner, who still has some sinning to do, to confess later.

He never said in john 1 we can live in sin,

I never told you that you can live like a Devil.

What i said is that Christ has your sin, or you do.
If you have it, then Jesus has not died for it yet.

He has all of my sin, all of my sin past present and future was paid for by his blood on the cross.

If you believe that Jesus has "all your sin">... then dont confess what Jesus has resolved for you.//. As if you do confess sin ,then you dont understand that Jesus has died for ALL your sin.. while you are pretending you understand....

again, when the father looks at me he does not see my sin, he sees his son.

So, does God see "His son" as needing to confess sin?

Then why dont you understand this yet?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And He does not have to keep dying for it.


Figure this out.

Your right, He died for it once

ALL OF MY SIN was put on his Body.

He knew me and knew every sin i have would commit in my lifetime, and he paid for it in full “it is finished”

figure this out.

 

[Behold]

Yes, People who commit sin confess them, so they can be healed.

God answers prayer , because you believe He will............... He does not answer prayer because of "confessed sin".

accuse me this one more time, i will accuse you of being a hypocrite.

You said you have sin.
God says that if you are born again. then "Jesus is your ONE Time Eternal Sacrifice for all your sin".

Is God a liar, or are you just really confused?

So, your own words accuse you of not understanding Jesus's one time.. ETERNAL = Sacrifice for SIN. @Eternally Grateful

 

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I just take the whole passage and look at it in context.

if we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us.

Have is echo - it means to have or possess, It is in the greek it is present tense, and it is active. It literally says, if we claim we presently do not have any sin in our lives. We are decieved.

he continues

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This sin that we DO HAVE, if we confess it (literally acknowledge it to him) he is faithful and just,

he continues

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

If we are like the pharisee who claimed he kept the law since birth and had no sin. We make God out to be a liar. Now this last phrase I think fits more aptly with what you are thinking. As it is this phrase which shows we have sin and need to be saved.

also. In verse 8. John spoke of himself. “If we” I think we can both agree, John was already saved

John wrote in "inclusive language", you can tell that earlier in the passage, "we make Him a liar", but John wasn't doing that. So inclusive language.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God said (Paul teaches) that all the Christians have become a "new Creation".........who exist in the Kingdom Of God.

Amen. I am a new creature

There is no sin found there, because there are no Sinners found there @Eternally Grateful

lol

If you claim you have no sin, you are deceived. Period.

You have been caught in sin just a few times here today falsly accusing your brethren of things that have told you multiple times they do not believe. Bearing false witness is one of the commands, Apart from the grace of God. The law would condemn you for those very sins where you stand.

So, if you are born again, you are in the KOG.. because you have no sin, and are become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

No. If I am born again, I am a child of God. Just because I am someone’s child does not mean I will never disobey them. Thats why i can come to the throne room of Grace. Because he is my abba, i need not fear. So why do you fear if you admit you sin you will be lost?

If you have sin, then you are not born again, and you are not "in Christ", in the KOG.

lol. Whatever my friend

if you claim you have no sin, you are decieved, and there IS NO TRUTH IN YOU.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you are born again...then you are not "Under the Law"... so, that is why 2 Corin 5:19 says that God does not charge sin, to the born again.
Romans 4:8 says the same thing, and John 3:17, is another way to understand those verses.

You want to charge sin to the born again, because you do not understand The New Covenant, the Blood Atonement, that are The Cross of Christ.

Ok dude. Back up! Ido not charge a single to anyone.

I say they still sin, they still fall short of Gods glory. They know to do it. And still at times do not do it. And to them it is sin as the book says.

You need to stop with your bearing false witness and accusatory language.

read the Bible. And get off your high horse of thinking you are perfect and you know everything, because you do not.

You need to repent and confess your sin to God. So God can heal you (i am not accusing you of being unsaved, I am accusing you of having to grow in Christ more, because your growth is stunted due to your pride0

 

[Eternally Grateful]

First you explained The Cross and then you denied it.

You are really confused @Eternally Grateful

so me saying the truth, That God paid for all my sin (the wage of sin is death, that is what Jesus paid)

and then I denied it?

Please stop y friend, Your making a fool of yourself!!!

Listen..

If you are born again...then you are not "Under the Law"... so, that is why 2 Corin 5:19 says that God does not charge sin, to the born again.
Romans 4:8 says the same thing, and John 3:17, is another way to understand those verses.

I am not under law. Because Jesus took the penalty of sin, He who knew no sin, became sin for me..
It does not mean i no longer make mistakes. That I no longer sin, or that I am perfect.

can you not understand this basic truth?

You want to charge sin to the born again, because you do not understand The New Covenant, the Blood Atonement, that are The Cross of Christ.

NO I DO NOT YOU NEED TO STOP YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!

Confess your sin against me dude. Not to me, i do not need it. But to God!!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is the situation..

You are "made righteous" or you still have your sin.

Here is the truth
I was given Christs righteousness.
Bit I am not perfect. I grow every day, and learn more and more every day. But no matter what, I have been imputed the righteousness of Christ based on my faith not my works.

So, to teach that a "made righteous" New Creation in Christ .. still has sin, is to Deny The Cross of Christ.

lol.. To deny you have sin is to deny the truth of God. You are decieved. Thats not me saying it, it is God

 

[Behold]

if you claim you have no sin,

I claim that Jesus on the Cross is this for me.

"God hath made JESUS.........to BE SIN for us"..

So, that is not some of my sin....that is my Sin.......all gone.

This is why A Christian is not a SINNER......they are a Christian.

A Sinner is not a Christian, because they have their sin.........and Jesus has not died for it yet.

You claim that a SINNER is a Christian,

The NT claims that a Christian is a SAINT. "Made free from sin". "Made Righteous"..

@Eternally Grateful

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John wrote in "inclusive language", you can tell that earlier in the passage, "we make Him a liar", but John wasn't doing that. So inclusive language.

Much love!

It is inclusive

If we (John included himself0 say we have no sin (have no active sin in our lives) we are decieved.

its not difficult..

Thats why he immediately also tells us, when we do sin, to confess that sin.

if I am a non believer, confessing a personal sin is not going to do me any good. i am still lost in my sin

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I claim that Jesus on the Cross is this for me.

so do I

"God hath made JESUS.........to BE SIN for us"..

Yes, he took my sin, and he paid the penalty of that sin on the cross 9the wage of sin is death)

So, that is not some of my sin....that is my Sin.......all gone.

he paid the penalty for all my sin. Past present and future.

This is why A Christian is not a SINNER......they are a Christian.

I am not perfect.

I am perfected in christ. But like you. When i commit a sin, although it is forgiven, it is still a sin.

A Sinner is not a Christian, because they have their sin.........and Jesus has not died for it yet.

They are under the penalty of sin, Jesus did die for it. No one will go to hell because of sin. Jesus made that clean in John 3. They go to hell because they failed as did those who died n the wilderness, because they did not believe and look to the serpent, because they did not in faith look to christ.

He who believes is not condemned. not he who no longer sins.

Your putting yourself and other back under law. Only like the pharisees, you deny you have any sin. And judging others who openly confess they are still not perfect here on earth. As sinners..

i am not calling them sinners, you are.

 

[ProDeo]

Moving in late, not read everything yet.

It's hard to believe a born again Christian will lose the faith, but I do believe there are exceptions.

1. Saul was the anointed King of Israel, it did not end well.

2. King Solomon -- For when Solomon was old his wives turned away his heart after other gods, -- it's unclear if Solomon repented [1 Kings 11:1-43]

3. Judas was chosen by Christ, he not only saw Jesus miracles, he performed miracles himself by the power Jesus had given him (Luke 9) and yet he betrayed Christ and became the son of perdition.