Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture
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Not true. Many miss, or conveniently avoid, the important dynamic between “the days” (plural) and “the day” (singular) in the New Testament. Those who reject this out of hand often do so for doctrinal reasons do so because it cuts across their end-time theology.
Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
After speaking of the “days of Noe” and the “days of Lot,” the Lord then describes a singular climactic “day” when destruction arrived for both. Jesus then speaks of “the days (plural) of the Son of man” and “the day (singular) when the Son of man is revealed.” But what are these? What do these refer to?
When are they?
The “days of the Son of man” would seem to point to the intra-Advent period – the time between Christ’s First Advent and His Second. This is the Messianic age.
The plain focus of this teaching in Luke 17 (reference Noah and Lot’s day) is the nature and degree of the judgment that befell the wicked in these two familiar Old Testament stories and especially the extent of that particular wrath.
The key element and major emphasis of this discourse is the fact (speaking of the ungodly) that God “destroyed them all.” The comprehensive destruction of the wicked in both of these examples is the important lesson of the narrative; both the whole world of Noah’s day and the whole individual city of Sodom in Lot’s day saw the immediate and complete rescue of the entire righteous coupled together with the immediate and complete destruction of the entire wicked.
To understand the nature and timing of “the last day” (singular) you need to understand the character and location of “the last days” (plural). You need to understand the relationship between both. If you overlook this because of what you have been taught or miss it out of ignorance then you’re going to be confused with this whole interconnection between both.
According to clear and repeated Scripture, “the last days” (plural) occur between the first and second comings of Jesus Christ. It is referring to right now. The “last day” (singular) is His glorious appearing. This is the climatic “day of the Lord” that ushers in eternity. This is also known as “the end of the age.”
I have committed myself to the literal, grammatical, and historical method of interpretation. I take any biblical text to be literal, like the statement that there is a Millennial Temple. But, if after trying to interpret the text the literal does not fit, I would look at another method of interpretation. The literalist applies common sense when he/she interprets the text. I say this so neophytes don't say well "Jesus said he was a door, so he must literally be a door. That is simple ignorance of interpreted methods.
In the NC with God, animal sacrifices have been done away with.
The blood of Christ was shed for our sins, 'without the shedding of blood there is no remission'
We are not to seek to rebuild what God has torn down. If we do that, we turn our back on the New Covenant and are become transgressors.
For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Christ’s Death Fulfills God’s Will
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10
Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is [e]remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
The OC is gone. Besides that believers are the temple of God, there is no holy temple of God anywhere as a building wherein God dwells.
God lives in His people.
This 3rd temple will be a godless evil place inhabited by SATAN. Christ when He returns will destroy it and them that built it.
This 3rd temple as a holy place where God dwells is the height of carnal doctrine. Totally antichrist, of course the Jews love it so, as they are all antichrist to this very day, thinking they must rebuild the temple and offer sacrifice to please God. Red heifers and all.
Lots of Christians support the idea.
Galatians 2
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, [g]why do you compel Gentiles to live as [h]Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not [i]justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died [j]in vain.”
God lives in His people.
This 3rd temple will be a godless evil place inhabited by SATAN. Christ when He returns will destroy it and them that built it.
This 3rd temple as a holy place where God dwells is the height of carnal doctrine. Totally antichrist, of course the Jews love it so, as they are all antichrist to this very day, thinking they must rebuild the temple and offer sacrifice to please God. Red heifers and all.
Lots of Christians support the idea.
Galatians 2
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, [g]why do you compel Gentiles to live as [h]Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not [i]justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died [j]in vain.”
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Strange to say that as that is what Christ says. As did also Martha about her brother right to Christ's face.
Spiritual Israelite
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Hey, look who it is. How exciting. Once again you provide no meaningful input, as usual. Would you care to try to be less vague and explain why you said this?
Spiritual Israelite
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Just look at what you had said. He too believes that the Millennium will be realized before the last day. That's what he agrees with. Is there something hard to understand about that?
The last day is the day that believers are resurrected (John 6:40). And they are resurrected when Jesus returns (1 Cor 15:22-23, 1 Thess 4:14-17, etc.). So, that places the timing of the Millennium before the day Jesus returns. That supports Amill. So, what you said supports Amill, but you don't even know it.
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Spiritual Israelite
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So, in your view, Satan will have more influence on the world immediately after being released then Jesus had the previous thousand years combined. And you are comfortable with believing that?
Because I agree: "The Millennial kingdom will be realized before the last day."
Maybe this one, referring to the NC?
Rev 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
2 Peter 1
15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
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The NC is a better covenant built on better promises. And we have a better great high priest in Christ than they had. That would include the things He said.
So, the NC is superior to the old.
So, the NC is superior to the old.
- Hebrews 7:22
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
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Our NC with God is perfect, and a great salvation
“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest [f]forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),
22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.
23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, [i]harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
Greatness of the New Priest
20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest [f]forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),
22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.
23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, [i]harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
Spiritual Israelite
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I'm wondering if you understood my question or not. You said "I do believe the Jews will build a 3rd temple which Antichrist figure will claim as his own sit it in and claim he is God.". Where exactly are you seeing that taught in these passages you quoted? You did mention the NC as well in your post, but I wasn't asking about that.
soberxp
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The concept of the ‘second death’ (Revelation 20:14) must be understood in conjunction with the imagery of the ‘pregnant woman’ (Revelation 12:1–2) and Jesus’ warning: ‘Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed!’ (Luke 23:29).
Here’s the theological framework:
1.Fruit of the Spirit vs. Fruit of Sin
The Spirit produces life (Galatians 5:22–23), while sin yields death (Romans 6:21).
2.The Second Death and Persecution
The ‘second death’ (eternal separation from God) is linked to those who persecute the ‘pregnant woman’—a symbol of God’s covenant people (Israel or the Church). Her ‘child’ (Revelation 12:5) represents Christ or His faithful remnant.
3.Woe to Nursing Mothers
Jesus’ lament over Jerusalem (Luke 23:29) foreshadows the devastation facing those aligned with rebellion against God’s kingdom.
The Gospel of Luke 21:23
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Key Verse:
“They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them… and His followers will share in His victory” (Revelation 17:14).
Explanation:
Pregnant Woman: Embodies God’s redemptive plan. Persecuting her (God’s people) aligns one with the ‘synagogue of Satan’ (Revelation 2:9), incurring the second death.
Not exactly right, just my opinion.
Here’s the theological framework:
1.Fruit of the Spirit vs. Fruit of Sin
The Spirit produces life (Galatians 5:22–23), while sin yields death (Romans 6:21).
2.The Second Death and Persecution
The ‘second death’ (eternal separation from God) is linked to those who persecute the ‘pregnant woman’—a symbol of God’s covenant people (Israel or the Church). Her ‘child’ (Revelation 12:5) represents Christ or His faithful remnant.
3.Woe to Nursing Mothers
Jesus’ lament over Jerusalem (Luke 23:29) foreshadows the devastation facing those aligned with rebellion against God’s kingdom.
The Gospel of Luke 21:23
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Key Verse:
“They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them… and His followers will share in His victory” (Revelation 17:14).
Explanation:
Pregnant Woman: Embodies God’s redemptive plan. Persecuting her (God’s people) aligns one with the ‘synagogue of Satan’ (Revelation 2:9), incurring the second death.
Not exactly right, just my opinion.
Except you are twisting what he said and meant, and you know it. He clearly said it is not a 24 hour day. Appearently then, just like me, he too takes the last day to be involving an era a time that begins with the 2nd coming. For some reason you want to twist what he said and meant in order to make it appear he believes that the millennium is before the 2nd coming rather than after. Except you already clearly know, and you can't deny it, that he takes the millennium to be after the 2nd coming. What is your motive for doing this? I thought you were all about being honest about things?
His post proves that many of you have zero clue how context is supposed to work. In context he said the last day is not 24 hours. What Amil agrees with that, since it would obviously mean that the last day would also be involving the millennium after He returns, per his view?
Spiritual Israelite
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When did you decide that you are God? You clearly think you are God since you think you know my intentions and you think I'm being dishonest here. But, I'm not.
Could I have misunderstood what he said? Sure. Of course. But, am I purposely twisting what he said? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Stop trying to play God. It's foolish.
That's irrelevant.
He said he believes that the Millennium will be realized before the last day. Regardless of how long he thinks the last day is, that comes across that he was saying that the Millennium comes to an end before the last day begins. How long the last day lasts is irrelevant in this case. So, you accused me of twisting his words when I did not!
That is absolutely not what I was doing! My point was that he was agreeing that the millennium occurs before the last day, regardless of his understanding of when the millennium occurs. That's it. I know he is a Premill, so why would I try to act like he wasn't? That's stupid. I would never do that. Stop this nonsense already. I know we disagree on things, but that doesn't give you an excuse to misrepresent and judge me like this and act like you are God. You're better than this. Or at least you should be.Davidpt said:
Yes, I know that and I didn't say otherwise. Read my post again! Where did I say anything to suggest he isn't a Premil? Nowhere! All I did was show that he agreed that the Millennium occurs before the last day. That's it! I was not trying to make it seem like he is an Amill. Why in the world would I do that? I'm not going to try to tell him what he believes. He is a Premill and I can't say otherwise. It's just interesting that he agrees with Amills like WPM and me that the Millennium occurs before the last day. It doesn't make him an Amill, of course, but it's just interesting. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a Premill make that claim before.
You are the one being dishonest here with your claim that I was twisting his words, which is 100% false. You shold apologize. I will tell you again what my motive was. May God strike me down immediatley if what I say is not true. My motive, since CadyAndZoe asked a question, was simply to answer his question and explain what he and WPM were in agreement about. That's it. And then I gave my understanding of the last day, but that was just something I added and wasn't part of answering the question.
I didn't say otherwise. Your post here proves that you are either a liar or you have poor reading comprehension skills. I don't really think you are a liar, so that leaves only one option.
You waste so much time with your straw man arguments. No Amil agrees with that, so why would you think that I was saying that he and WPM were in agreement about that? You need to be more careful to pay attention to what is actually being said. I'm simply saying they are in agreement that the Millennium occurs before the last day, regardless of when the Millennium occurs or how long the last day lasts.
The next time you think I'm saying something dishonest that you believe doesn't make any sense, how about making sure you're understanding what I'm saying first before making false accusaations against me. Deal?
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If there is no physically rebuilt temple made by the Jews, the other idea of Satan inhabiting the temple of God as in possessing believers and owning them makes no sense. Satan cannot drive out the Holy Spirit from a person, and a saved person will not drive Him out either.
The Spirit of God drives out Satan, not the other way round. If you do not believe, then you are not the 'Temple of God' as God saves those who believe in Christ and indwells them with His Spirit.
SATAN could only sit in a person who is unsaved as a possession. Of course also the phrase, sit in and declare himself god, well Satan is of this world and desires worship, so it will be not a spiritual invisible thing he does, it will be something people can touch, feel, experience see with their physical bodies. The whole of unsaved men will worship and follow the beast, etc...
1 Corinthians 6:17
But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Satan cannot sit in the 'Temple of God' as if Satan could, it would not be the temple of God. So the 'temple of God' in 2 Thess 2 must be a physical temple of rocks of this world. The Jews and the unbelieving world will think of as the 'temple of God', actually their temple. And they will make animal sacrifices there. They are getting ready even now. Some situation will occur and the temple will be rebuilt.
God owns you as a believer being joined as on spirit together with His Holy Spirit, and Christ said,
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.
Hebrews 13:5
Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
Ephesians 1
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
1 John 2
Contrast the false believers who do not have the Spirit of God versus those who do have the Spirit of God
Those who He lives in with we as His temple, have an anointing to know all things and John says due to this you will abide in the Father and the Son.
Deceptions of the Last Hour
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you[e] know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let Truth Abide in You
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you.
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you [g]will abide in Him.
I have realized I am not 'amillenial' as is conventionally understood, as we are currently in the 'millenial' reign, which is actually currently happening in Heaven with God, Christ and His people. "Millenial 1000 year reign" just is a concept of a long indeterminate amount of time before Christ returns, which time of return none know except God. We were raised with Christ. And Christ at our bodies death, comes and get us to bring us into heaven so that where HE IS, we will also be with Him. He makes a place for us with Him in heaven, reigning with Him.
Example, in Ephesians 2, we are raised with Christ to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. And we know Christ reigns right now, and forever will reign.
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4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
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And the wording in Rev 1 says our being kings and priests to God is a current reality for those in heaven are most assuredly reigning with Christ, in Christ, through Christ, on His throne, and have been doing this for 2000 years already.
To Him who [b]loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
and has made us [c]kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
What do kings do? Well, they reign. God's people have been reigning with Christ.
Revelation 1
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who [b]loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us [c]kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, [d]the Beginning and the End,” says the [e]Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
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Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Example, in Ephesians 2, we are raised with Christ to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. And we know Christ reigns right now, and forever will reign.
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4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
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And the wording in Rev 1 says our being kings and priests to God is a current reality for those in heaven are most assuredly reigning with Christ, in Christ, through Christ, on His throne, and have been doing this for 2000 years already.
To Him who [b]loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
and has made us [c]kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
What do kings do? Well, they reign. God's people have been reigning with Christ.
Revelation 1
Greeting the Seven Churches
4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who [b]loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us [c]kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, [d]the Beginning and the End,” says the [e]Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
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Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
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