Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

[Earburner]

We are Brethren - are we not!

Yes we are!! AMEN!

 

[David in NJ]

Yes we are!! AMEN!

Can't wait to meet you in our New Glorified Bodies - make sure we find each other

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:
therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,
when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as He is pure. - 1 John 3:1-3

 

[Jay Ross]

Acts 1:11, Zechariah 14:16-21, Isaiah 2:1-4, + all make it perfectly clear that King Jesus will rule on earth; from Jerusalem for the thousand years.

Let us see what your scriptural references tells us: -

Acts 1:11

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Acts 1:9-11: - Jesus Ascends to Heaven​

(Mark 16:19,20; Luke 24:50-53)​

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9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."​

NKJV​

Zechariah 14:16-21

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Zechariah 14:16-21: - The Nations Worship the King​

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16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague/method/defeat with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.​

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20 In that day "HOLINESS TO THE LORD" shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.​

NKJV​

Isaiah 2:1-4
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Isaiah 2:1-4: - The Future House of God​

(Mic 4:1-5)​

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2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.​

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2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days​

That the religion of the Lord's house​

Shall be established as the tallest of the religions,​

And shall be exalted above the hills;​

And all nations shall flow to it.​

3 Many people shall come and say,​

"Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,​

To the house of the God of Jacob;​

He will teach us His ways,​

And we shall walk in His paths."​

For out of Zion shall go forth the law,​

And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.​

4 He shall judge between the nations,​

And rebuke many people;​

They shall beat their swords into ploughshares,​

And their spears into pruning hooks;​

Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,​

Neither shall they learn war anymore.​

NKJV​

Your references do not tell us that Christ will rule the people of the earth from the face of the earth.

I think that you have missed the boat so to speak.​

 

[Earburner]

Can't wait to meet you in our New Glorified Bodies - make sure we find each other

Amen!! It's a rare thing these days to find brethren who can agree. Yes indeed, in our New Glorified Bodies, we will meet each other in and by His Love.

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:
therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,
when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as He is pure. - 1 John 3:1-3

Is it not true, for all we who are born again of His Holy Spirit, that we are already half way Home, to be physically with the Lord and each other.

1 John 5:11-13
[11] And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
[12] He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[Keraz]

Your references do not tell us that Christ will rule the people of the earth from the face of the earth.

I think that you have missed the boast so to speak.

I know you are still standing on the wharf, covered in confusion.

Amos 9:13-15 The time is surely coming, says the Lord, when the one who plows shall overtake the one who reaps, and the treader of grapes, the one who sows the seed; the mountains shall drip sweet wine, all the hills shall flow with it. I will restore the fortunes of My people, Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them upon their Land and they shall never again be plucked up out of the Land I have given them.

That scripture promises restoration for a devastated land and a scattered people and it does so in a beautiful description of overflowing fertility in field and vineyard along with an unqualified pledge of “never again” for His faithful people, from every tribe, race nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 66:18b-21, to be dispossessed.
Bible prophecy refers to a divinely established Utopia (Greek- good place) in which, God puts an end to this world of injustice and unrighteousness on earth and replaces it with a world of justice and righteousness on earth.

This end times Kingdom is the covenantal kingdom, brought to its ultimate perfection and ideal consummation, here on earth. Hebrews 8:8-12 It will last for 1000 years, as Revelation 20 clearly informs us.

Daniel 7:27 The Kingly power, sovereignty and greatness of all the Kingdoms under heaven will be given to the Holy people of the Most High. Their Kingly power will last for ever and every realm will serve and obey them.

So, how will the God of justice and righteousness treat the Gentiles in establishing this utopian Kingdom on earth?

Micah 4:1-2 In days to come, the Lords House will tower above the hills. The nations will stream toward it, saying; Let us go to the House of Jacob’s God, that He may teach us His ways, for instruction comes from Zion. [and in Isaiah 2:2-4]

Zechariah 8:20 Nations and dwellers in many cities will come to Jerusalem to entreat the favour of the Lord. Zechariah 14:16-21

Those warlike and idol worshipping peoples will be converted to godly worship, under a God of justice and peace. They will not become Israelites, but all will live together under God. This will be the situation after Jesus Returns, during His Millennium rule.

Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall possess the Land and will live there forever.

 

[Jay Ross]

I know you are still standing on the wharf, covered in confusion.

Really, you are claiming that I am still standing on the wharf, standing in confusion.

You do know that the Genesis 15:17-21 sign covenant was a repeat of the conditional Genesis 13:14-17 covenantal promise of land which was for a period of time where the end point of that possession the prescribed land would be beyond their ability to comprehend.

The Promised Sign Covenant Land was a repeat of the Genesis 13:14-17 promise of possession of land where God named the kingdoms that would make up the land that was a sign that Abraham and his descendants would know, when they saw that they had possession of that land that they would, in the distant future, possess the whole earth.

In Genesis 17:8 God also promised that He would give them the Land of Canaan for a period of time, and in 2 Chron 7:12ff God warned them that He would destroy the Temple and scatter them to the four corners of the earth if they continued their continual idolatrous worship.

I am not the one confused. You believe that the possession of land would be a "forever promise" on God's covenantal undertaking but the Genesis 15:17-21 described land possession was taken from Israel after the death of Solomon by the Assyrians, and Israel's possession of the land of Canaan was also removed from them in 70 AD and they were scattered to the four corners of the earth, until God begins to gather them after the completion of the third and fourth age of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and their children's children which I believe will end in around the year 2044 AD, to Himself.

No where in the scriptures does God deliberately gather the Israelites into the Land of Canaan, because the Israelites must remain scattered throughout the nations so as to be a blessing to them until Christ returns at the end of the Seventh Age.

You, like the Israelite, have made possession of the land of Canaan your idol to worship and possess.

God requires that the Israelites and the gentiles to be planted in His Fertile soil/fields where we are able to draw our nourishment directly from God until the end of eternity. Those who take root in His fertile soil, will be judged to be righteous if their heart takes after God's heart for the people with whom they rub shoulders with.

Your understanding of the end times does not agree with what the context of the scriptures presents. Your understanding of the end times is prescriptive and if you take yourself to the Land of Canaan, then you will have salvation.

I for one do not believe that this is what God requires of us, however, I believe, that he requires us to look after the widows, orphans, the hungry, the oppressed and the lonely, to give them hope in the peace and joy of the Lord. {Isaiah 58}

Goodbye Keraz

 

[Earburner]

I know you are still standing on the wharf, covered in confusion.

Amos 9:13-15 The time is surely coming, says the Lord, when the one who plows shall overtake the one who reaps, and the treader of grapes, the one who sows the seed; the mountains shall drip sweet wine, all the hills shall flow with it. I will restore the fortunes of My people, Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them upon their Land and they shall never again be plucked up out of the Land I have given them.

That scripture promises restoration for a devastated land and a scattered people and it does so in a beautiful description of overflowing fertility in field and vineyard along with an unqualified pledge of “never again” for His faithful people, from every tribe, race nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 66:18b-21, to be dispossessed.
Bible prophecy refers to a divinely established Utopia (Greek- good place) in which, God puts an end to this world of injustice and unrighteousness on earth and replaces it with a world of justice and righteousness on earth.

This end times Kingdom is the covenantal kingdom, brought to its ultimate perfection and ideal consummation, here on earth. Hebrews 8:8-12 It will last for 1000 years, as Revelation 20 clearly informs us.

Daniel 7:27 The Kingly power, sovereignty and greatness of all the Kingdoms under heaven will be given to the Holy people of the Most High. Their Kingly power will last for ever and every realm will serve and obey them.

So, how will the God of justice and righteousness treat the Gentiles in establishing this utopian Kingdom on earth?

Micah 4:1-2 In days to come, the Lords House will tower above the hills. The nations will stream toward it, saying; Let us go to the House of Jacob’s God, that He may teach us His ways, for instruction comes from Zion. [and in Isaiah 2:2-4]

Zechariah 8:20 Nations and dwellers in many cities will come to Jerusalem to entreat the favour of the Lord. Zechariah 14:16-21

Those warlike and idol worshipping peoples will be converted to godly worship, under a God of justice and peace. They will not become Israelites, but all will live together under God. This will be the situation after Jesus Returns, during His Millennium rule.

Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall possess the Land and will live there forever.

Mat. 21
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes

[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation [of New creatures, aka born again Christians] bringing forth the fruits thereof.
> Ref. 1 Peter 2
[9] But ye [who are born again] are a chosen generation [of New creatures], a royal priesthood, an holy NATION, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: [but "Jerusalem, which now is", "is cast out" of His marvelous light- Gal. ch. 4].

Luke 19
[41] And when he was come near [Jerusalem], he beheld the city, and wept over it,
[42] Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things [that be of God] which belong unto thy peace [quietness/rest], but now they are hid [kept secret] from thine eyes.
[43] For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
[44] And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

In the NT scriptures, there are NO longer any OT. promises to the literal nation of Israel.
In fact, ever since Jesus was crucified, all of the OT promises made to them, became null and void. So says Luke 19:42.

The ONLY future that the people of Israel can ever hope to have, is to repent before God, have faith in the Lord Jesus now, and become born again as a NEW Creature, and thus be joined with God in His New creation, the True people of God.
Otherwise, they each of Israel shall remain LOST, as that of any Gentile, who neglects or rejects "the Lamb OF God, who taketh away the sin of the world".

After this present Age of God's Grace, there are NO second chances for anyone!!

 

[Keraz]

In the NT scriptures, there are NO longer any OT. promises to the literal nation of Israel.
In fact, ever since Jesus was crucified, all of the OT promises made to them, became null and void. So says Luke 19:42.

The ONLY future that the people of Israel can ever hope to have, is to repent before God, have faith in the Lord Jesus now, and become born again as a NEW Creature, and thus be joined with God in His New creation, the True people of God.
Otherwise, they each of Israel shall remain LOST, as that of any Gentile, who neglects or rejects "the Lamb OF God, who taketh away the sin of the world".

I agree.
We Christians are grafted into the true Tree of Salvation. Along with the few Christian Jews, who get re-grafted.

 

[Earburner]

I agree.
We Christians are grafted into the true Tree of Salvation. Along with the few Christian Jews, who get re-grafted.

Meaning that "the true Tree" [of Life] is Jesus, who is the Chief Corner stone [of the 3rd Temple], [aka the members of] "the body of Christ", "the Israel of God".
Ref. John 2:19-21; 1 Peter 2:6.

Gal. 6
[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
[16] And as many as [each] walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[quietthinker]

Revelation 20 makes that quite clear.
Why anyone should dispute it, is unfathomable.

Its unfathomable to you Keraz because eisegesis is your go to method of interpretation

 

[Earburner]

Its unfathomable to you Keraz because eisegesis is your go to method of interpretation

Which is opposite to what 1 Cor. 2:5-15 says:
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [anointing] of God.......

1 John 2
[27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Keraz]

Its unfathomable to you Keraz because eisegesis is your go to method of interpretation

Which is opposite to what 1 Cor. 2:5-15 says:
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [anointing] of God.......

1 John 2
[27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Judging me. are you?
James 4:11-12.........Who are you to judge me?

When things really begin to happen and people finally understand Gods Plans,; Isaiah 35, then all who were confused and deceived, will be ashamed and embarrassed, as their beliefs go up in flames. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

 

[Earburner]

Judging me. are you?
James 4:11-12.........Who are you to judge me?

When things really begin to happen and people finally understand Gods Plans,; Isaiah 35, then all who were confused and deceived, will be ashamed and embarrassed, as their beliefs go up in flames. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

I am not judging you at all! I simply gave the scriptures of how we all who are born again of the Spirit are to be be taught by God Himself.

Unfortunately, many professing Christians have traded themselves off to be taught by their denominational churches, willingly swallowing their man made creeds, and the doctrines of men, that follow after the historical traditions of men.
All of such "have a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away". 2 Tim. 3:5.
Edit:
In Isaiah 35, do you not perceive all of the three manifestations of Christ, in his mortal flesh, now by His Holy Spirit, and soon to be, His coming from heaven, in flaming fire, in the Glory of His Immortality?

John 5
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[quietthinker]

Judging me. are you?
James 4:11-12.........Who are you to judge me?

When things really begin to happen and people finally understand Gods Plans,; Isaiah 35, then all who were confused and deceived, will be ashamed and embarrassed, as their beliefs go up in flames. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

No doubt, that will be the case!

 

[Keraz]

In Isaiah 35, do you not perceive all of the three manifestations of Christ, in his mortal flesh, now by His Holy Spirit, and soon to be, His coming from heaven, in flaming fire, in the Glory of His Immortality?

Isaiah 35:1-10, is a simple, straightforward Prophecy about the forthcoming Day of vengeance and retribution, then how the Lords faithful peoples will travel to the holy Land and live there in peace and prosperity. Before Jesus Returns.
Verse 5, say how it will only be then that the deceived and false theory believers, will at last be able to understand the truths of Gods Plans.

No doubt, that will be the case!

As it seems almost everyone who looks at Bible prophecy has a different view on what will happen, then most will be embarrassed and ashamed. Daniel 12:10 tells us that just a few will understand.
We are plainly told the reason for not comprehending the truth, is to believe in fables and false teachings. Isaiah 29:9-11, Jeremiah 6"10

 

[quietthinker]

As it seems almost everyone who looks at Bible prophecy has a different view on what will happen, then most will be embarrassed and ashamed. Daniel 12:10 tells us that just a few will understand.
We are plainly told the reason for not comprehending the truth, is to believe in fables and false teachings. Isaiah 29:9-11, Jeremiah 6"10

Isn't that so! All, without exception, feel they have the right angle and that others don't have it as right as they do. It behooves us all to figure that one out.

 

[Earburner]

Isaiah 35:1-10, is a simple, straightforward Prophecy about the forthcoming Day of vengeance and retribution, then how the Lords faithful peoples will travel to the holy Land and live there in peace and prosperity. Before Jesus Returns.
Verse 5, say how it will only be then that the deceived and false theory believers, will at last be able to understand the truths of Gods Plans.

As it seems almost everyone who looks at Bible prophecy has a different view on what will happen, then most will be embarrassed and ashamed. Daniel 12:10 tells us that just a few will understand.
We are plainly told the reason for not comprehending the truth, is to believe in fables and false teachings. Isaiah 29:9-11, Jeremiah 6"10

God, in His Eternity speaks in the past, present and future all at the same time.
That is not our reality of how we acknowledge time on earth.

The OT. Prophets had NO clue in which of the three manifestations of The Messiah, that His works were going to take place, as is the reality of what we think time is to us.

Only by the mind of Christ within us can we have spiritual discernment about it. However our natural human mind is clueless, of which all it can do is interpret by human wisdom through "the natural man", whereby everything is interpreted as physical and therefore only delivers to themselves and the hearers "a form of godliness".

While God spoke His symbolic words through the prophets, telling of the Messiah to come, at the same time His intention was to keep it a secret until Jesus first appeared.

Rom. 16[25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.

 

[Keraz]

Isn't that so! All, without exception, feel they have the right angle and that others don't have it as right as they do. It behooves us all to figure that one out.

The thing about delusions, is that the deluded person thinks they cannot be wrong.
Those whose beliefs are challenged, display defensive behaviour, rejecting all new arguments, without properly assessing them with due diligence.
Soon; all will be revealed and understanding will be given to those who kept strong in their faith, when the Prophesied disaster strikes.

 

[quietthinker]

The thing about delusions, is that the deluded person thinks they cannot be wrong.
Those whose beliefs are challenged, display defensive behaviour, rejecting all new arguments, without properly assessing them with due diligence.
Soon; all will be revealed and understanding will be given to those who kept strong in their faith, when the Prophesied disaster strikes.

He has will be given more, he who doesn't have will have taken from him even that which he thinks he has....Jesus

 

[Earburner]

Instead of writing a long list of your own words mixed into the Scriptures, should you not be believing the Gospel FIRST?

I do believe the Gospel first! Luke 17:28-30.