Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

[ewq1938]

I agree!! When one reads the Strongs Concordance, the Greek
word for "flaming fire" in 2 Thes. 1:7 is meaning fiery fire.

It means a flash of lightning.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

G4442
πῦρ
pur
poor
A primary word; “fire” (literally or figuratively, specifically lightning): - fiery, fire.
Total KJV occurrences: 74


The same thing is here:

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Luke spoke of the same lightning when Christ would be revealed from heaven:"

Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.



G796
ἀστραπή
astrapē
as-trap-ay'
From G797; lightning; by analogy glare: - lightning, bright shining.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

G797
ἀστράπτω
astraptō
as-trap'-to
Probably from G792; to flash as lightning: - lighten, shine.
Total KJV occurrences: 2


Paul was speaking of lightning not fire like when something is burning.

 

[Douggg]

Nowhere in the NT does it ever say that Jesus touches the earth.
The evidence of that is, all who are "born again" shall be resurrected/changed into His likeness and shall meet Him IN THE AIR. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thes. 4:17

No, 1Thessalonians4:17 is not evidence that Jesus at His return will not touch the earth again.

1Thessalonians4:17 is about the rapture/resurrection event - to take place before the Great Tribulation and before Jesus's return to this earth in Zechariah 14 to stand on the Mt. of Olives splitting it in half.

Jesus's return to set His glory among the nations in also in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

 

[Douggg]

I told you many times. Zechariah 14 is not about the Second Coming but the fall of the Old Testament congregation of Israel where the believing Jews fled and continued into the New Testament congregation of Israel keeping the feast of tabernacles during the Millennial Kingdom. Selah!

Is the mount of Olives split in half, half to the north and half to the south, yet ?

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[Earburner]

No, 1Thessalonians4:17 is not evidence that Jesus at His return will not touch the earth again.

1Thessalonians4:17 is about the rapture/resurrection event - to take place before the Great Tribulation and before Jesus's return to this earth in Zechariah 14 to stand on the Mt. of Olives splitting it in half.

Jesus's return to set His glory among the nations in also in Ezekiel 39:21-29.




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It is evident that you do not understand that the OT. Prophets had NO IDEA of WHEN and HOW the prophecies concerning Jesus would be fulfilled, in the works of God that were given to Him to do and FINISH. Dan. 9:24.

Rom. 16
[25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

 

[TribulationSigns]

Is the mount of Olives split in half, half to the north and half to the south, yet ?

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

I have already explained this to you before and it still fell upon your deaf spiritual ears!

Christ did come to earth literally and He did plant His feet very literally upon the Mount of Olives.

However, Zechariah is more concerned with His coming to earth Spiritually, and planting His feet on Mount Zion in judgment. And the mountain did remove, and the remnant of the people did flee, and the valley was their path to freedom. It was the escape of the remnant of God's people from His executed judgments upon the enemies in Jerusalem. For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion. The zeal of the LORD of hosts has done this.

Matthew 26:30-32

• "And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
• Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
• But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee."

A literal precursor of the Spiritual judgment of Christ that the remnant may escape, and indeed consequently the judgment of the people there as God leaves them desolate and takes the Kingdom from them. The cleaving of the mountain (Kingdom) to east and west that God's people may escape His judgment.

If you believe there will be physical seismic disturbances as part of Christ's second coming. You are mistaken because the Bible is a spiritual book, not a seismologist's ledger. God is NOT interested in splitting literal mountains, except to make the point about the cleaving of the kingdom (remember mountain signifies kingdom!) that a way be made for the remnant of believers to escape from Old Testament congregation into the New Testament congregation at the Cross.

Zechariah 14:4

• "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

Matthew 17:20

• "And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

Casting out devils is associated with Matthew 17 because it is a kingdom He Christ spoiled, bound Satan so that He might free the captivity of Israel. It is the faith of Christ that moves this mountain, and the mountain in view is not a physical mountain, but a spiritual one. Mountains in God's word represent Kingdoms. And the kingdom that was removed by the faith of Christ was the one that suffered violence, and that the violent took by force. This kingdom was split in two, making a valley that a way could be made for the remnant to escape. The destruction of the kingdom (mountain) cast into the sea creates a valley that God's people therein might escape.

This was fulfilled in Christ Jesus by His Faithfulness and His cross. And have you already forgotten that the Old Testament congregation has fallen when Christ has taken their kingdom representative from them and gave to another, the one that Christ rebuilt in 3 days. This is where the remnant has fled to observe the feast of tabernacle in CHRIST.

Boy, carnal-minded people like you are blind to this spiritual truth. Selah!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It means a flash of lightning.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

G4442
πῦρ
pur
poor
A primary word; “fire” (literally or figuratively, specifically lightning): - fiery, fire.
Total KJV occurrences: 74


The same thing is here:

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

What are you talking about here? The Greek word "pyr" (G4442) does not mean lightning. It means fire. Why are you misrepresenting what the word means? That is not the word used in Matthew 24:27 for "lightning". That is a different word, which is astrapē (G796). So, "flaming fire" is not the same thing as lightning.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Is the mount of Olives split in half, half to the north and half to the south, yet ?

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Have you considered the possibility that Zechariah 14:4 is symbolic rather than literal when it comes to the mount of Olives splitting in half? Look at this passage:

Luke 3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, 2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. 3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; 4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth; 6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

In verses 4 and 5, which is referencing Isaiah 40:3-5, do you think it's talking about literal paths being made straight? Do you think it's talking about every literal physical valley being filled, every literal physical mountain and hill being brought low, everything physically crooked being made physically straight and everything physically rough being made physically smooth? Or do you think that text is figurative rather than literal? If you recognize that it's figurative text instead of literal, then why can't a verse like Zechariah 14:4 also be figurative instead of literal?

Do you take the following verse literally as well?

Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

I don't believe that verse is meant to be taken literally as if it's talking about physical waters going out from Jerusalem. This verse reminds me of this passage:

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Living waters going out from Jerusalem is about people receiving the Holy Spirit and then bringing the gospel out from Jerusalem to the rest of Israel and the world through the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[TribulationSigns]

What are you talking about here? The Greek word "pyr" (G4442) does not mean lightning. It means fire. Why are you misrepresenting what the word means? That is not the word used in Matthew 24:27 for "lightning". That is a different word, which is astrapē (G796). So, "flaming fire" is not the same thing as lightning.

Matthew 24:27-29

• "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
• For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
• Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Lightning is often a synonym for God's judgment. And it's not the literal Sun going dark, nor the Moon darkened or turning to blood, nor are physical stars falling to this earth (as if they could, and be a SIGN), but spiritually God's light has gone out, and the blood of the prophets is required. The restraint of iniquity has been taken out of the way where it (Matthew 24:12) abounds. Why would some listen to those claiming Christ is still within their dead Church? It is because the professed Christians therein are deceived, being unfaithful, and unrepentant. They call themselves the body of Christ, they have a name that lives, but they are dead. Bottom line, Christ is not hidden, so that if you don't see Him, don't believe those who claim that He is still quietly among them winking at their sins. For where you find the carcass (dead body) is where you will find God's judgment of eagles (Elect who have depart, standing afar, prophesy against fallen church) gathered together unto these Kings of the earth.

Revelation 19:17-19

• "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
• That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
• And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

That speaks of God's judgment upon the dead body, the fallen great city, that great Harlot that shall rise no more. Christ is not there anymore so that when people claim He is, and you don't see Him, believe it not! For the time has come when he who retrain, has been taken out of the midst (2nd Thessalonians 2:7), Satan now works through men (false prophets and christs) to deceive those who have not yet sealed by God within God's House. This is the judgment (symbolically fire/lightning) of God upon His unfaithful church.

 

[Earburner]

Matthew 24:27-29

• "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
• For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
• Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Lightning is often a synonym for God's judgment. And it's not the literal Sun going dark, nor the Moon darkened or turning to blood, nor are physical stars falling to this earth (as if they could, and be a SIGN), but spiritually God's light has gone out, and the blood of the prophets is required. The restraint of iniquity has been taken out of the way where it (Matthew 24:12) abounds. Why would some listen to those claiming Christ is still within their dead Church? It is because the professed Christians therein are deceived, being unfaithful, and unrepentant. They call themselves the body of Christ, they have a name that lives, but they are dead. Bottom line, Christ is not hidden, so that if you don't see Him, don't believe those who claim that He is still quietly among them winking at their sins. For where you find the carcass (dead body) is where you will find God's judgment of eagles (Elect who have depart, standing afar, prophesy against fallen church) gathered together unto these Kings of the earth.

Revelation 19:17-19

• "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
• That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
• And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

That speaks of God's judgment upon the dead body, the fallen great city, that great Harlot that shall rise no more. Christ is not there anymore so that when people claim He is, and you don't see Him, believe it not! For the time has come when he who retrain, has been taken out of the midst (2nd Thessalonians 2:7), Satan now works through men (false prophets and christs) to deceive those who have not yet sealed by God within God's House. This is the judgment (symbolically fire/lightning) of God upon His unfaithful church

The next time you are outside, on a bright sunny day, light a match or a lighter and then hold it up in front of the sun. When you briefly look through the flame into the sun, you will barely be able to make out the flame that you are looking through.
Exod.3:2-4
Matt.17:2
Matt.28:3
Mark.9:3
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Literal "Lightning", by the sense of our eyes is white.
When Jesus returns in flaming fire, there is no doubt His presence from heaven will be "White Fire", whereby every other bright object, such as the sun and the moon will be eclipsed by His brightness, as if they had no visibility at all.

The Apostle Paul, when he gave his testimony before king Agrippa said this:
Acts 26
[13] At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

In 2 Thes. 2:8 the Holy Spirit in Paul prophesied of the destruction that was going to take place on earth, because of the "brightness" of Jesus being revealed from heaven
[8] And then shall that.[the] W [w]icked [Textus Receptus Greek is in the plural] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

See also KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10, and take notice of the word "when" that is written in two places. For us who are His Saints, in THAT [24 hour] Day, "we shall be changed in a twinkling of an eye" into the likeness of His Immortality!!
For us, there will be no fear or sensation of His "flaming [white] fire".
Luke.17:28-30.

How Hot Is Lava?

One expects melted rock to be pretty hot, but just how hot is lava?

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2Pet.3:10-12, aka "the [lava] Lake of Fire"

 

[TribulationSigns]

The next time you are outside, on a bright sunny day, light a match or a lighter and then hold it up in front of the sun. When you briefly look through the flame into the sun, you will barely be able to make out the flame that you are looking through.

Wait, this has NOTHING to do with literal lightning or flame in verse 27.
Mat 24:25-28
(25) Behold, I have told you before.
(26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
(27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

This is NOT the Second Coming nor "THE" last day. Not yet until verse 30. Rather verses 25-29 talk about the judgment of the unfaithful church (carcase) which must take place first before the Lord reveals in the air.

Remember the judgment must take place in the House of God FIRST which is what the apostasy and desolatinon is about.

Look closer at Luke 17:

Luk 17:34-37
(34) I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
(35) Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(36) Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(37) And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

This is talking about God's house where Elect and Professed Christians working together. The context is clear that Christ says one will be taken, and the apostles ask WHERE. The Lord answered by the CRYPTIC LANGUAGE declaring "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." Thus He has answered their question of WHERE the ELECT (those taken) will be taken to. And his answer to the question shows where... to JUDGE the body (unfaithful church where the abomination of desolation stands).

Do you understand who or what the eagle represents? The eagle is symbolic of the Lord's people, who take on "His" Characteristics. Thus they are both protected, and have judgment. "Know ye not that we shall judge Messengers, 1st Cor 6:3" This is the same elect who have power to shut heaven that it rain not, and have power over waters to turn them to blood. Because they have Spirit of God in them and come with the word of God in their mouths.

Revelation 12:14

• "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

As the great old hymn, "Flee as a bird to your mountain, thou who art weary of sin."

Psalms 11:1

• "In the Lord I take refuge. How then can you say to me: Flee like a bird to your mountain."

We dwell in the spiritual mountains as eagles, and this because we are representative of God, and thus we take on the characteristics of God. Not vultures, or any birds, but EAGLES [aetos], because they are characteristic of God's protection and judgment. For example:

Rev 4:6-8
(6) And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
(7) And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
(8) And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

This image of the four living creatures symbolically represents certain diverse characteristics of God. The Lion, the Lamb, the Man and the Flying Eagle [aetos]. Likewise, His elect are also characterized as these same creatures! And that is we are the ambassadors of God, sent with the word that judges. This is why we have the power to prophesy God's Word against this unfaithful body (church) as that which brings death!

This must take place before Christ returns in the sky!

 

[ewq1938]

[8] And then shall that.[the] W [w]icked [Textus Receptus Greek is in the plural]

Every online tool and bible site I checked lists the word as singular, not plural. This Wicked person, also called the man of sin is one man.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 Interlinear: and then shall be revealed the Lawless One, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the manifestation of his presence,

2 Thessalonians 2 :: King James Version (KJV)

2 Thessalonians 2 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[TribulationSigns]

Every online tool and bible site I checked lists the word as singular, not plural. This Wicked person, also called the man of sin is one man.

You guys misunderstood about the "wicked." You thought God was talking about one man here? No He did not.
It simply means "at this time" it will be made manifest to God's people. The prophesy should be considered in its proper context, which is of the time when the sinful man takes a seat (meaning he rules) in the Temple of God, and when God ceases to withhold or hold-back iniquity there any longer. That is the "context" in which this wickedness is revealed. He is not talking about the revelation of a single man. But the spirit of Satan in the false prophets and christ be revealed to God's Elect as they sit (rule) in his churches all over the world. Why?

2nd Thessalonians 2:6-8

• "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
• For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
• And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"

The Greek word translated Letteth is an old word meaning restrains. It is the Holy Spirit of God that withholds or restrains iniquity in the church. There is no other power on Earth that could possibly restrain such wickedness, except God. Not Bible, not conscience, not preaching, but the Holy Spirit of God. God will not remove His restraining hand until the church has accomplish her mission to secure all of the Elect first before Satan can be loosened.

If the "continual" or daily sacrifice is taken out of the way by reason of transgression, then spiritually speaking the Holy Temple has fallen. Selah! Who cast Babylon down? If the Holy Spirit that restrains iniquity is removed out of the way (midst) in the Holy Temple, then sacrifice and offering for salvation has ceased! Then there is no more restraint of iniquity in the Temple by God. And so then shall that wicked be revealed. For example, it is no longer restrained, so then will it be made manifest or brought to light, that God's servants (Chosen Elect) will awake and "SEE" the abomination, Revelation 11:11-12. When God says, "and then shall that wicked be revealed," He is interrelating it to the previous verse where it is called a "Mystery" [musterion] or secret. But then is this secret revealed or seen by God's servants for what it is. It is all part of the big picture-puzzle God is painting, and all inter-related. We have to understand, Satan was bound and iniquity was restrained by God at the cross "for a reason." And it is to build a church first! And when that reason/purpose for its restraint has been fulfilled (Revelation 7:3) by all who are to be saved being saved, then the reason to restrain iniquity is past, and God can stop withholding it as judgment.

This is not a prophesy of a succession of rulers of the same family (Roman Catholic Church dynasty), but rather a specific prophesy of the whole Universal Church, at a time when the man of sin sits to rule there "as if" he was God. Not the Roman Catholic Dynasty, not the dispensational Church era, but ALL Churches, all over the Earth. Satan was not loosed when the Roman Catholic Church was formed, nor at the time of the Reformation, nor when Dispensationalism came to being, thus the prophesy was not about those systems or times! Selah! It is the time of the end of sacrifice and offering, the time when the whole world comes against the Church and abomination stands (not 70AD, not Roman Catholicism, not third temple in Jersualem) therein, and will leave it desolate, prior to Second Coming.

Then is this specific spirit of wickedness be revealed and that shall be destroyed with the brightness of Christ's coming. The question is, revealed to whom? The answer is, revealed to God's people. Those who receive the love of truth that they are not deceived. Because we are persuaded better things for God's beloved (Hebrews 6:9), and things that accompany salvation, though we speak thus. As indeed, the next verses, in context, indicates.

2nd Thessalonians 2:13-15

• "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
• Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
• Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."

To make a long story short, "and then shall that wicked be revealed," speaks of the time when God looses the spirit Satan, and removes His spirit from the midst of the Church that iniquity increases, thus revealing to His servants the abomination in the Holy Temple. As the man of sin rules there, the servants of God cannot stay there as they need to get out to avoid the plagues that is poured upon unfaithful church.

 

[ewq1938]

You guys misunderstood about the "wicked." You thought God was talking about one man here? No He did not.

Yes, he did. The word is in the singular and the person is literally called the MAN of sin. It's a man, like God says.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to understand the bible if one rejects what the bible says in favor of man made doctrinal beliefs.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Yes, he did. The word is in the singular and the person is literally called the MAN of sin. It's a man, like God says.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to understand the bible if one rejects what the bible says in favor of man made doctrinal beliefs.

Sigh! You miss the point... or are probably deceived by your doctrine!

No. The man of sin is the exact opposite of the man of Godliness or righteousness. This is how God sees EVERY man in His CHURCH! One "man" has the Spirit of God ruling within him, and one "man" has the spirit of Satan ruling within him. One unto sin or lawlessness and one unto righteousness or lawfulness. One has the mystery of iniquity revealed to him, while to the other it remains a secret/mystery to him wherein he is deceived to believe lies and be damned. Two very different groups of people within the church that are spoken about Clearly in these passages:

2nd Thessalonians 2:11-14

• "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
• That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
• But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
• Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."

See those two very distinct groups of people of God's house? One group is deceived to believe lies and be damned because they reject the truth, and the other, having been chosen through sanctification of the Spirit to believe the truth, is secured.

Bottom line, the Devil is NOT a man, he is a spirit that works within man just as God is a spirit that works within man! Selah! The only place you'll see a Devil sitting in a Temple is in a BAD MOVIE, or a GOTHIC PAINTING, or MAN'S VIVID IMAGINATION with silly thought of "one man." Look, if you want to see evil, look to man, whom the spirit of antichrist works within - the one who rules (sit) in the temple of God. He is the false prophet and christ! And there are many of them out there! But no, people like you are busy looking for so-called "one man", "little horn person", "THEE antichrist" is missing the point!

 

[ewq1938]

He is the false prophet and christ! And there are many of them out there! But no, people like you are busy looking for so-called "one man", "little horn person", "THEE antichrist" is missing the point!

This is just more antichrist denial, common in all false doctrines. It's one of the ways the antichrist will fool the world, and cause the Apostasy in the Church.

 

[TribulationSigns]

This is just more antichrist denial, common in all false doctrines. It's one of the ways the antichrist will fool the world, and cause the Apostasy in the Church.

LOL.

Good luck with finding your precious "one-man" antichrist. You will never learn the lesson from the false prophets before you for the past 70 years who were looking for the same thing while denying or knowing that the church is under judgment with many false prophets and christs running there where God sees every individual as a "man of sin."

Let me know when you find "someone."

 

[ewq1938]

LOL. Good luck with finding your precious "one-man" antichrist.

Good luck not finding him.

 

[Earburner]

Every online tool and bible site I checked lists the word as singular, not plural. This Wicked person, also called the man of sin is one man.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 Interlinear: and then shall be revealed the Lawless One, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the manifestation of his presence,

2 Thessalonians 2 :: King James Version (KJV)

2 Thessalonians 2 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

www.blueletterbible.org

Every single living person is the potential temple of the Living God, through faith in Christ. Therefore, whosoever dies without Christ, remains to be the natural man, which is to say: they DO NOT have Christ, because surely He IS NOT within them, by the Gift of the Holy Spirit. 1 John 5:11-13.

All of such are destined to be DESTROYED, and ARE "the son of PERDITION".
Judas Iscariot is NOT the only son of perdition. The only reason for that is he ended his own life BEFORE the Holy Spirit was freely made available to all, through faith in Christ. Unfortunately, he did not come to repentance, because he was literally not present on the Day of Pentecost.
However, Peter who denied Christ 3 times, did repent and WAS literally PRESENT on the Day of Pentecost.
So, whether it be denial or betrayal, which one committed the worst sin?
Neither!! Peter died forgiven in Christ, but Judas did not.

 

[Davy]

BEWARE BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

The theory of Amillennialism began in the 2nd century A.D. when the Gnostics crept into the Church and spread false Greek philosophy in with Christian doctrine.

The early Church fathers of the 1st century were all Pre-millennialists, accepting Bible Scripture as written that Jesus returns prior to a "thousand years" Millennium, and then reigns on earth with His elect for that "thousand years" as written in Revelation 20. Apostle Paul called that future thousand years the "day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Corinthians 5:5).

Amillennialism also falsely believes that on the day of Christ's future return, all... the wicked are destroyed on that day, and we immediately go into God's future new heavens and a new earth time. Not so, nor is that written.

God's Word easily proves that idea as false, since Zechariah 14 reveals that the leftovers of the armies that come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world will still exist after Jesus returns, and they will be made to bow to The KING and keep the feast of tabernacles, from year to year. Also per Revelation 3:9, Jesus said He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come and bow at the feet of His elect, something that has never... happened during this present world, not will it ever happen in today's world. That "synagogue of Satan" represents Satan's elect, the children of darkness, the workers of iniquity, so the fact that they will still exist during Christ's future reign with His elect reveals just who Christ's "rod of iron" will be for (Psalms 2; Revelation 2:25-28.

Thus it is very easy to disprove the 2nd century Gnostic theory of Amillennialism by staying in Bible Scripture as written. And anyone with common sense ought to know that when someone makes idiotic claims that we must interpret God's Word OUTSIDE of common sense as it is written, then you know they are trying to get you away from listening to The Holy Spirit, because The Holy Spirit will always appeal to our common sense, and not some baloney 'mystical' concept that occultists try to persuade with.

 

[TribulationSigns]

BEWARE BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

The theory of Amillennialism began in the 2nd century A.D. when the Gnostics crept into the Church and spread false Greek philosophy in with Christian doctrine.

Red herring. Biblical, at least I am not reading the scriptures in the way the gnostics did in the first century! I would challenge to look at the breadth of the biblical quotes and paraphrases I have used in comparison to the handful you have distorted out of all context!

The early Church fathers of the 1st century were all Pre-millennialists, accepting Bible Scripture as written that Jesus returns prior to a "thousand years" Millennium, and then reigns on earth with His elect for that "thousand years" as written in Revelation 20. Apostle Paul called that future thousand years the "day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Corinthians 5:5).

Premillennialism in the 1st Century? LOL. No, it started in the middle of the 19th century.

Amillennialism also falsely believes that on the day of Christ's future return, all... the wicked are destroyed on that day, and we immediately go into God's future new heavens and a new earth time.

AMEN!

Not so, nor is that written.

Where is your biblical proof? Let's see below...

God's Word easily proves that idea as false, since Zechariah 14 reveals that the leftovers of the armies that come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world will still exist after Jesus returns, and they will be made to bow to The KING and keep the feast of tabernacles, from year to year.

Nope. Zechariah 14 was fulfilled at the Cross. CHrist has established a kingdom and was a king over it ever since. And we, Christians, are observing the feast of tabernacles in Christ because we are tent of witnesses preaching gospel in the world, just like Jews in the wilderness. Selah!

Also per Revelation 3:9, Jesus said He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come and bow at the feet of His elect, something that has never... happened during this present world, not will it ever happen in today's world. That "synagogue of Satan" represents Satan's elect, the children of darkness, the workers of iniquity, so the fact that they will still exist during Christ's future reign with His elect reveals just who Christ's "rod of iron" will be for (Psalms 2; Revelation 2:25-28.

Huh?! Satan's elect? And the synagogue of Satan only occur during your fantasy future millennial kingdom? (rolling eyes).

Thus it is very easy to disprove the 2nd century Gnostic theory of Amillennialism by staying in Bible Scripture as written.

Actually people claimed that the Amillennialism was influenced by Gnosticism in the early centuries of the church, but it is not Gnostic in itself. Gnosticism was a philosophical movement that valued the spiritual over the physical. And many amillennialism doctrines are wrong.

Here is the biblical definition of amillennialism which is NOT gnosticism at all.

And anyone with common sense ought to know that when someone makes idiotic claims that we must interpret God's Word OUTSIDE of common sense as it is written, then you know they are trying to get you away from listening to The Holy Spirit, because The Holy Spirit will always appeal to our common sense, and not some baloney 'mystical' concept that occultists try to persuade with.

Read the article dude!