Does the trinity make people right with God?

[Grailhunter]

I believe the life of a person who is a follower of Jesus is one of faith, in looking to the Father and worshipping him in Spirit and Truth just as Jesus stated in John 4:24 "For God/Yahavah is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." And for Abraham, Paul wrote Romans 4:3 "What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

While you may suggest there is no such thing as a solitary faithfully lived life, I would disagree.

I am saying that Christian lifestyle is not supported by the scriptures. And you know that the scriptures say that we should assemble. Is it important....early Christians risks their lives to assemble to fellowship and worship.

Not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. Matthew 10:25

And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. Acts 2:42

 

[Grailhunter]

As a personal choice, I do not go into a church, nor to I worship the trinity. I reverse back to what Jesus stated in John 4:24 "For God/Yahavah is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." This is exactly what the Father looks for people to do, just one verse back; John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

I like all that but to be clear who do you worship?

 

[Grailhunter]

I do not see what relevance this has to anything. While people may go to a church, any church no matter what denomination, that is all fine and good with me for them to do so. My hope is that they see what I shared previously. That Yahavah seeks people for him to be worshiped in spirit and in truth.

Back to what I said, the scriptures say we should assemble. Of course we should worship in spirit and in truth while standing with other Christians in fellowship and worship.

 

[MatthewG]

I am saying that Christian lifestyle is not supported by the scriptures. And you know that the scriptures say that we should assemble. Is it important....early Christians risks their lives to assemble to fellowship and worship.

Hello again, I hope you went through everything that I had taken time to write to you. Yes, I do know what the scriptures say, but the scriptures were never wrote to me personally. Therefore I subjectively choose not to go to church. If that makes me not a person who believes in the Father whom sent his Son, whom died, and rose again, (even coming back to get his church in that day) in faith allowing me to have direct connection to God. I would like to hear you tell me that.

People should know, that I do not have to submit to anyone except Yahavah alone. There are some people who do not like that, therefore they can suggest I do all kinds of things, but that does not mean I have to listen to them. I don't believe I am closer to God just cause I go to church at all. I believe that the connection I have with him is something people are not able to take away. Unless I move away from him all together, He will take that connection away, though still call out to them.

Not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. Matthew 10:25

And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. Acts 2:42

You may encourage me all you like to, but I do not believe we are living in the last days, and that is the difference between our subjectively held beliefs. I believe what Jesus had stated in Revelation of his coming soon to those people in that day as true and that day did come, which I believe Jesus gathered the church then, faithfully - without any proof other than the destruction that ensued upon Israel for their sins they committed in "having the blood (of Jesus) to fall on their hands and their children's hands."

I like all that but to be clear who do you worship?

What you like, is not relevant to the nature of the subjectivism which is going on here. I like you as a human being, and love you, and many members which are on this board. You're question is a probing one, and I haven't hidden anything from you already. I worship Yahavah, my Father in spirit and in truth, just as Jesus stated. That doesn't mean I have to go to church, to worship him.

Again just read this Scripture, John 4:21 Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem." I don't have to subject myself to some pastor at a church. No matter the denomination, to worship the Father in heaven.

Back to what I said, the scriptures say we should assemble. Of course we should worship in spirit and in truth while standing with other Christians in fellowship and worship.

I don't have to anything that you suggest for me to do. That is the problem with people thinking that I am some defiant person. I choose that, God knows that I don't show up to church. Do you think he is mad at me? I would like to hear you say so. Is God mad at me because I faithfully believe that his Son came and saved those people who were warned of the coming destruction all the way back in Malachi? I would like to hear you say so, but you cannot.

You can only encourage me into something I do not have to do at all. While I thank you for your encouragement, I hope you see the reason why I do not have to subject myself to such matters, when I can go directly to God, and read the bible for the information to support and encourage me, as well as others in faith.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, I agree, but still even with being with other people, you have your own personally experienced and subjective lived life. While meeting up with other people is all fine and good, you are still left alone to ones own self at the end of the day, even if you have family. I am reminded of something Yeshua/Jesus had stated, Matthew 10:13 “If you love your father or mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine." These are things mentioned by Yeshua concerning, priority. The priority of a lived life is to follow Jesus, and listen to him above our own friends and family. We have to live work and make money, that is all fine and good as well to sustain ones family, and lived life. However, where is Yahavah/God in the matter on the heart of the individual? That is a personal observation people have to make themselves.

Of course we should follow Jesus, that is not the topic. How do we follow Yeshua? What does it mean to be a follower of Yeshua? Maybe obeying the scriptures?

 

[Grailhunter]

While you may think I am at fault for being a believer, who doesn't go to church. If that is what you are assuming. I would say that you are wrong in that assessment. That is just the judgement that I have. I am a person who is to himself. Is that anyone business? No not really. Do they have to try to come in and correct me? Many people assume so, and try to do so. People can go to church and all that, that is all fine and good once again. I guess my mother is at fault for not going to church either, but as you stated you can read the bible with another person and even study with them in their home.

Going to church....assembling with Christians.....or not associating with Christians.

 

[MatthewG]

Of course we should follow Jesus, that is not the topic. How do we follow Yeshua? What does it mean to be a follower of Yeshua? Maybe obeying the scriptures?

Hello @Grailhunter,

If Jesus is not the topic.

Going to church....assembling with Christians.....or not associating with Christians.

Neither is going to church.

While you can question all you like, to me it is faith, and love. If you boil the gospel down two things will remain, "Faith and love." If you can not love me as a person who openly admits to not going to church, that is a problem. You continue in your assertion that I must do something, that I simply do not have to do. Whether this makes you upset, or concerned about me, please give those things to God.

 

[Grailhunter]

don't believe that is true, but you may believe it is true by all means. I've shared what I have because I decided to take time to respond to you as a I should in Christ, and not by my fleshly ways, which I had did prior therefore I deleted my last post to conclude these matters.

The one God formula for the Trinity skews the meaning of over a hundred scriptures…...

The Gospels show God the Father and God the Son working together….. Christ referencing the God the father…..Over 50 My Father scriptures…

Should He have said “Myself” Instead of say the Father is greater than I ….should He have said, I am greater than I. God so loved the world He gave Himself? This is Me of whom I am well pleased?

Who is Christ praying to?

 

[Grailhunter]

People should know, that I do not have to submit to anyone except Yahavah alone. T

Definitely not asking you to submit to me….maybe obey the scriptures

 

[Grailhunter]

I would like to hear you tell me that.

Tell you what? You keep going back to people telling you. They are not telling you....the scriptures are telling you. Are saying you can have a "direct connection with God" and not obey the scriptures?

 

[Grailhunter]

ou may encourage me all you

Does it matter if I encourage you....not the point.....obey God.

 

[Grailhunter]

What you like, is not relevant to the nature

I was saying I liked what you said.

 

[MatthewG]

The one God formula for the Trinity skews the meaning of over a hundred scriptures…...

The Gospels show God the Father and God the Son working together….. Christ referencing the God the father…..Over 50 My Father scriptures…

Should He have said “Myself” Instead of say the Father is greater than I ….should He have said, I am greater than I. God so loved the world He gave Himself? This is Me of whom I am well pleased?

Who is Christ praying to?

Hello @Grailhunter,

Sounds like a case for people to read the Bible and find out for themselves. That is my encouragement.

Definitely not asking you to submit to me….maybe obey the scriptures

I don't have to "obey" the scriptures. Yahavah, is with-in me by his Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ, I believe so faithfully. He allows me to choose whether or not I go to church or not, and I have been to aplenty.

What gets askwed is when people make the scriptures about themselves, when it's addressing other people in that day in age. They were to continue to encourage one another, and this is still fine to do, to encourage people to look to Yahavah. To continue to have faith in him, even in trying times, etc... but I am not someone who believes that Jesus is coming back today... I believe he did come back, and he continues to show up in the hearts and minds of believers, who are moved by the spirit and live by faith.

Tell you what? You keep going back to people telling you. They are not telling you....the scriptures are telling you. Are saying you can have a "direct connection with God" and not obey the scriptures?

Well, whether or not I have to show up to church is subjective. I don't go because I choose not to. Therefore if you do not mind, because of your discourse can you just let it be? If not that is fine to, because I am simply no ones child on here.

Does it matter if I encourage you....not the point.....obey God.

Which one should I obey, the scriptures or God? You have to make up your mind on this one friend.

Thank you for your constant notifications today, as It's been fun to communicate with another person in this fashion.

I was saying I liked what you said.

Well I wish you would have gotten it all out in one post back to me and not so many but that is okay.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hello @Grailhunter,

If Jesus is not the topic.

Yeshua is A topic but we are talking about worshiping with Christians.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It still doesn't look like the trinity saves anyone. Why do you think so many people spend so much time on such a doctrine? Perhaps old-fashioned tradition is what does is and does what it does. When people say you "must" doesn't always mean you "must."

YOu can't be saved apart from the Trinity!

We return to the god the Father, through the death and Resurrection of Emmanuel(God is with us) and regenerated and made children of God the God the Holy spirit!

 

[MatthewG]

Yeshua is A topic but we are talking about worshiping with Christians.

You can have church anywhere friend. Thats the point.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hello @Grailhunter,

If Jesus is not the topic.



Neither is going to church.

While you can question all you like, to me it is faith, and love. If you boil the gospel down two things will remain, "Faith and love." If you can not love me as a person who openly admits to not going to church, that is a problem. You continue in your assertion that I must do something, that I simply do not have to do. Whether this makes you upset, or concerned about me, please give those things to God.

It is no skin off my tail that you do not worship with Christians.....Explain to Christ why you did not.... on Judgment Day.

 

[MatthewG]

YOu can't be saved apart from the Trinity!

We return to the god the Father, through the death and Resurrection of Emmanuel(God is with us) and regenerated and made children of God the God the Holy spirit!

Thank you for commenting, RN.

It is no skin off my tail that you do not worship with Christians.....Explain to Christ why you did not.... on Judgment Day.

God already knows what I do and do not do. All the best, @Grailhunter.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Neither is going to church.

While you can question all you like, to me it is faith, and love. If you boil the gospel down two things will remain, "Faith and love." If you can not love me as a person who openly admits to not going to church, that is a problem. You continue in your assertion that I must do something, that I simply do not have to do. Whether this makes you upset, or concerned about me, please give those things to God.

If you are practicing faith and love truly, then you will belong to a local assembly of believers growing in grace, and sit under the gift ministry of the pastor , teacher.

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Paul planted churches and raised men to pastor those churches! To not be part of a local assembly is to reject the Word of God and your growth will be sorely limited.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

 

[MatthewG]

If you are practicing faith and love truly, then you will belong to a local assembly of believers growing in grace, and sit under the gift ministry of the pastor , teacher.

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Paul planted churches and raised men to pastor those churches! To not be part of a local assembly is to reject the Word of God and your growth will be sorely limited.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

God knows what I do and don't do. He already knows these things about me, Ronald. It's no secret to Yahavah.