You cant do it, I thought not, that you have made pretty plain.
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Dan Clarkston
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Old enough to know better than to follow false doctrine!
But you do you... feel free to believe whatever man!
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I post just 4 verses addressing when exactly Jesus is shown as being begotten
The scripture tells us the day the Son was begotten
Mentioned in Psalm 2:7 (Jesus speaking)
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto ME, Thou art my Son;
THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Mentioned also in Acts 13:33 as something that needed to be fulfilled (which God hath fulfilled)
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Which is also the same day Christ was made an high priest
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him,
Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Which was also mentioned in Psalm 110:4
Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Dan Clarkston
That was AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead... at His coronation as High Priest by the Father
Me
Thats obvious, what makes you think the verses are not saying this?
Let me rehighlight for you
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, IN THAT he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Dan Clarkston
Are you claiming Jesus is a created being like the angels are and like man is?
If so then this is the belief that Jesus is not God's Word manifest in the flesh
Various cults believe this sort of thing
Me
Which verse do you believe accuses me of beliving this?
Dan Clarkston
WHY don't you believe John 1:1
Me
Where do the verses I posted make it so that I do not somehow believe in John 1:1?
Dan Clarkston
You're the one that is claiming Jesus is a created being which is in opposition to John 1:1
Me
Where is this claim?
Dan Clarkston
You need to be "enlightened" and discover the what the Lord said thru John is actually true!
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
(John 1:1)
Me
What makes you think I do not know this verse?
Dan Clarkston
John 1:1 proves Jesus is not a created being.... He is the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Me
Which verses that I posted is me accusing Jesus of being created?
Dan Clarkston
You keep saying he was "begotten" as in He was created....
Me
Where did "I" say that?
Dan Clarkston
Read your own posts
Me
Quote me specifically, I posted only verses, so which verse are you accusing of this that I posted?
Dan Clarkston
In post #28 you said "the scripture tells us the day the Son was begotten"
Me
The scripture tells us the day the Son was begotten
Mentioned in Psalm 2:7 (Jesus speaking)
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto ME, Thou art my Son;
THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Mentioned also in Acts 13:33 as something that needed to be fulfilled (which God hath fulfilled)
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Which is also the same day Christ was made an high priest
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him,
Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
You reject these references?
Dan Clarkston (slides into post #50 also)
John 1:1 says Jesus was from the beginning so whatever day you are speaking of is not when Jesus came in to existence.
Me (adresses this here)
These are not speaking of his existance, its speaking of the day he was begotten
Dan Clarkston
Hang in there bud... you'll get it one of these days!... Maybe
Me
Do you reject these references (referring to the day Jesus was begotten)
Dan Clarkston
Will you reject John 1:1 that tells us Jesus is God's Word Who has existed since the beginning which proves He was NOT actually begotten on any particular day?
Me (repeating what I said earlier)
These are not speaking of his existance, its speaking of the day he was begotten
Dan Clarkston
Your references do not prove Jesus has not existed from the beginning and has been with God and has been God... all along.
Me
My references are for the the day he was begotten are you not paying attention?
Dan Clarkston
Your references are speaking of something other than Jesus being begotten on a particular day... AND your references do not prove Jesus is a created being either.
Me
My references are the scriptures which show exactly the day he was begotten
Dan Clarkston
The begotten you are speaking of is referring to someone being born like a child coming in to the world, so it's referring to Jesus coming back from the dead.
Me
Why is it taking you this long to get this through your thick skull?
Dan Clarkston
I don't allow false doctrine in to my thinking...but you can all you want... feel free!
Me
Which verses are false doctrine?
Stop being the false accuser and self impressed court jester that you are and man up. Point out which of the verses are incorrect concerning when Jesus Christ was begotten.
This should be easy for you, I only posted a handful and made the letters really big and bolded them for you.
Dan Clarkston
Feel free to re-read what I've already posted... or not, I really don't care what you do or don't do.
Me
You cant do it, I thought not, that you have made pretty plain.
How old are you?
Dan Clarkson
Old enough to know better than to follow false doctrine! View attachment 56873
But you do you... feel free to believe whatever man!
Me
The four verses of scripture I posted showing which day Jesus was said to be begotten is now called false doctrine.
Gotcha
I post just 4 verses addressing when exactly Jesus is shown as being begotten
The scripture tells us the day the Son was begotten
Mentioned in Psalm 2:7 (Jesus speaking)
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto ME, Thou art my Son;
THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Mentioned also in Acts 13:33 as something that needed to be fulfilled (which God hath fulfilled)
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Which is also the same day Christ was made an high priest
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him,
Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Which was also mentioned in Psalm 110:4
Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Dan Clarkston
That was AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead... at His coronation as High Priest by the Father
Me
Thats obvious, what makes you think the verses are not saying this?
Let me rehighlight for you
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, IN THAT he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Dan Clarkston
Are you claiming Jesus is a created being like the angels are and like man is?
If so then this is the belief that Jesus is not God's Word manifest in the flesh
Various cults believe this sort of thing
Me
Which verse do you believe accuses me of beliving this?
Dan Clarkston
WHY don't you believe John 1:1
Me
Where do the verses I posted make it so that I do not somehow believe in John 1:1?
Dan Clarkston
You're the one that is claiming Jesus is a created being which is in opposition to John 1:1
Me
Where is this claim?
Dan Clarkston
You need to be "enlightened" and discover the what the Lord said thru John is actually true!
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
(John 1:1)
Me
What makes you think I do not know this verse?
Dan Clarkston
John 1:1 proves Jesus is not a created being.... He is the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Me
Which verses that I posted is me accusing Jesus of being created?
Dan Clarkston
You keep saying he was "begotten" as in He was created....
Me
Where did "I" say that?
Dan Clarkston
Read your own posts
Me
Quote me specifically, I posted only verses, so which verse are you accusing of this that I posted?
Dan Clarkston
In post #28 you said "the scripture tells us the day the Son was begotten"
Me
The scripture tells us the day the Son was begotten
Mentioned in Psalm 2:7 (Jesus speaking)
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto ME, Thou art my Son;
THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Mentioned also in Acts 13:33 as something that needed to be fulfilled (which God hath fulfilled)
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Which is also the same day Christ was made an high priest
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him,
Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
You reject these references?
Dan Clarkston (slides into post #50 also)
John 1:1 says Jesus was from the beginning so whatever day you are speaking of is not when Jesus came in to existence.
Me (adresses this here)
These are not speaking of his existance, its speaking of the day he was begotten
Dan Clarkston
Hang in there bud... you'll get it one of these days!... Maybe
Me
Do you reject these references (referring to the day Jesus was begotten)
Dan Clarkston
Will you reject John 1:1 that tells us Jesus is God's Word Who has existed since the beginning which proves He was NOT actually begotten on any particular day?
Me (repeating what I said earlier)
These are not speaking of his existance, its speaking of the day he was begotten
Dan Clarkston
Your references do not prove Jesus has not existed from the beginning and has been with God and has been God... all along.
Me
My references are for the the day he was begotten are you not paying attention?
Dan Clarkston
Your references are speaking of something other than Jesus being begotten on a particular day... AND your references do not prove Jesus is a created being either.
Me
My references are the scriptures which show exactly the day he was begotten
Dan Clarkston
The begotten you are speaking of is referring to someone being born like a child coming in to the world, so it's referring to Jesus coming back from the dead.
Me
Why is it taking you this long to get this through your thick skull?
Dan Clarkston
I don't allow false doctrine in to my thinking...but you can all you want... feel free!
Me
Which verses are false doctrine?
Stop being the false accuser and self impressed court jester that you are and man up. Point out which of the verses are incorrect concerning when Jesus Christ was begotten.
This should be easy for you, I only posted a handful and made the letters really big and bolded them for you.
Dan Clarkston
Feel free to re-read what I've already posted... or not, I really don't care what you do or don't do.
Me
You cant do it, I thought not, that you have made pretty plain.
How old are you?
Dan Clarkson
Old enough to know better than to follow false doctrine! View attachment 56873
But you do you... feel free to believe whatever man!
Me
The four verses of scripture I posted showing which day Jesus was said to be begotten is now called false doctrine.
Gotcha
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
The word the NT uses for begotten in the references you provided speak of one being born.
Feel free to believe Jesus is a created being like numerous cults do... I explained to you that your references are NOT saying Jesus was born or created... those are in reference to His returning from death (being separated from God) for our sin
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Hebrews 1:6 is what begotten is in the references you provided
Glad to hear we won't have to here all the blah blah anymore!
Those references do not imply God created Christ, if I wanted to use a reference that might imply that I would the word created in the examples, for example, I could use
Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Since we are to put on the “new man”…
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have “put on Christ.”
He is the new man
Romans 13:14
But “put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ,”and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
And I have explained to you (even as the verses I post make them plain) that these are speaking of Jesus begotten from the dead.
Notice your first response to my post?
Dan Clarkston
That was AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead... at His coronation as High Priest by the Father
Notice again my response to yours?
Me
Thats obvious, what makes you think the verses are not saying this?
While you then go off and start accusing me of saying Jesus was created by those verses
So you are deliberately lying and accusing me now because you know you stepped in it at the first response while trying to play Mr know it all instead of just saying, "Oh okay, you are adding these in showing that Jesus was begotten from the dead" We now have eyes full of how you handle yourself when you are wrong and how you need to carry on, be snarky, and divert attention from that fact that you now appear a little stupid doing all of that.
Which is exactly what point out to you from the first response and over and over again and you cannot seem to hear. Lets try another...
Rev 5:1 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and THE FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood
I changed my mind due to your godly humility
Please pray, upcoming should replacement, overcoming bronchitis again.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Yet simply matter of fact according to what God offers man and what and if man is willing to accept His offering According to Gods way / terms.
Glory to God,
Taken
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
They believe the Son of God came into existence at the incarnation. Luke 1:35 proves otherwise.
ScottA
Well-Known Member
John 8:58 is quite clear too.
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
It's not automatic that a person goes to hell just because they say they believe in Jesus only such as the united pentecostals denomination.
Unless of course one wants to make the claim that the Lord lied in 1 John 2:23
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
I never heard the pentecostals say that
Is that one one of their websites er something?
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Yes, Oneness Pentecostals believe that the Son of God came into existence at the incarnation of Jesus of Nazareth. They believe that the Son did not exist before the incarnation, except as the Word of God the Father.
Explanation
Oneness Pentecostals believe that the title "Son" only applies to Jesus when he became flesh on earth.
They believe that Jesus' humanity did not exist before the incarnation.
They believe that Jesus pre-existed as the eternal Spirit of God.
They believe that the Father sent the Son, but this terminology indicates that the Father enacted His pre-existing plan.
They believe that the term "son" has reference to the Incarnation, which means God manifested in the flesh.
googled oneness pentecostalism Son of God came into existence at the incarnation
According to Oneness theology the Son did not exist before the incarnation, and therefore "Son" is only applicable when referring to God’s existence in the flesh
bereanholiness.com
Oneness theology (Modalism) rejects the eternality of the Person of God the Son, Jesus Christ. They claim He had a beginning and He will have an end. Conversely though, Scripture presents unequivocally that the Person of the Son eternally existed WITH (pros, para, meta) the Father (esp. John 1:1; 17:5; Phil. 2:6-11; Heb. 1:2, 10-12). The Son is said to BE the very Agent of creation (e.g., John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17: dia + the genitive). Demonstrating that Jesus Christ, God the Son, was the actual Creator demolishes Oneness theology. Thus, Oneness teachers sacrifice many clear biblical passages that teach the preexistence of the Son at the expense of their unitarian pre-committed doctrine of Modalism.
Hence, Oneness theology dishonors God by asserting that (a) the Person of the Son was a mere creation at Bethlehem and (b) it was the Father who came down and wrapped Himself in flesh (not becoming flesh) and that flesh was called “Son”—Jesus’ human nature.
christiandefense.org
According to Oneness theology the Son did not exist before the incarnation, and therefore "Son" is only applicable when referring to God’s existence in the flesh
God the Son is not God the Father: Cross-Examining Oneness Pentecostal Doctrine - Berean Holiness
Did the Son have a beginning? Is the Father's name 'Jesus'? Who was Jesus praying to? These are questions worth grappling with.
bereanholiness.com
Hence, Oneness theology dishonors God by asserting that (a) the Person of the Son was a mere creation at Bethlehem and (b) it was the Father who came down and wrapped Himself in flesh (not becoming flesh) and that flesh was called “Son”—Jesus’ human nature.
The preexistence of God the Son, Jesus Christ
Demonstrating that Jesus Christ, God the Son, was the actual Creator demolishes Oneness theology. Thus, Oneness teachers sacrifice many clear biblical passages that teach the preexistence of the Son at the expense of their unitarian pre-committed doctrine of Modalism. Oneness Jesus is false
christiandefense.org
Son of God: God incarnate in human flesh;[2] "Son" refers to either the humanity and the deity of Jesus together, or to the humanity alone, but never to the deity alone[7]
Holy Spirit: The title of God in activity as Spirit
Oneness teachers often quote a phrase used by early pioneers of the movement – "God was manifested as the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Ghost in emanation."
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Oneness Theology holds that "the Word" in John 1:1 was the invisible God, or the Mind of God,
Holy Spirit: The title of God in activity as Spirit
Oneness teachers often quote a phrase used by early pioneers of the movement – "God was manifested as the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Ghost in emanation."
...
Oneness Theology holds that "the Word" in John 1:1 was the invisible God, or the Mind of God,
Before the Incarnation, the Son of God did not exist
Oneness Pentecostals teach the following things about Jesus Christ: “Jesus pre-existed the Incarnation, not as the eternal Son but as the eternal Spirit of God. The Son was sent from the Father, but this terminology simply indicates that the Father enacted His pre-existing plan at a certain point in time and that the Son was divinely appointed to accomplish a certain task. In the same way, John the Baptist was a man sent from God, but he did not pre-exist his arrival into this world” (David K. Bernard, Essentials of Oneness Theology, Word Aflame Press, Hazelwood, MO, USA, 1995, pages 21-22). In other words, according to Oneness theology, Jesus, prior to His conception, was not a separate Person from God the Father. He could not exist as Son because for them ‘the Son had a beginning, namely, at the Incarnation’ (J. L. Hall and David K. Bernard, editors, Doctrines of the Bible, Word Aflame Press, Hazelwood, MO, U.S.A., 1998, page 21),
Confutation
The Scripture teaches that the Son of God, before the incarnation, existed as a Person separate from God the Father.
● John said: “We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father [or the Only Begotten from the Father], full of grace and truth” (John 1:14 – NIV).
● Jesus said: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was I AM” (John 8:58 – NKJV); “What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?” (John 6:62 – NKJV); “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me” (John 6:38 – NKJV); “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17:5 – NKJV); “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world” (John 17:24 – NKJV).
● Paul says: “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men” (Philippians 2:5-7 - NKJV).
As you can see, Jesus Christ, as Son existed even before His arrival into this world; He was with the Father, He was in the form of God, that is to say, He was equal with God. Therefore, He pre-existed as a Person, for the Scripture says that He was sent by the Father, He was given by the Father, and Jesus Himself clearly said that He came down from heaven.
To confirm what I have just said, I want to comment briefly upon the following words of John: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made ….The Word became flesh and lived for a while among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1.1-3, 14 - NIV). First of all, note that John says that the Word was with God, and then that the Word was God; however, pay attention to this, when John says that the Word was God he does not mean that the Word was God the Father (for the Greek has ‘kai Theos en ho Logos’, that is, ‘and God was the Word’, and not ‘kai ho Theos en ho Logos’, that is, ‘and the God was the Word’) because if the apostle had said such a thing he would have denied the pre-existence of the Son as a Person separate from God the Father. Notice also the following thing: John says that all things were made through the Word, that is to say, through the Son; and this is confirmed by the apostle Paul who wrote to the Colossians: “All things were created through Him and for Him” (Colossians 1:16 – NKJV), and by the author of the epistle to the Hebrews who wrote that God “made the worlds” (Hebrews 1:2 – NKJV) through His Son. So we infer that since God created the heavens and the earth through His Son, this means that the Son of God was in heaven with the Father before the world was made. And to conclude my comment upon the above mentioned words of John, I say this: if the Word was God (but not God the Father) and at a certain point in time the Word was made flesh, that means that when the Word took the form of a bondservant and came in the likeness of men, God who was in heaven remained for a certain period of time without the Word who had been with Him from all eternity. In other words, God did not have His Son with Him in heaven for a certain period of time. That’s why Jesus, before His death, said to His disciples: “I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father” (John 16:28 – NKJV). He left heaven to come into this world, and when He finished the work the Father had given Him to do, He left the earth and returned to heaven.
In the light of the above mentioned Scriptures, therefore, you must beware of all those who deny the pre-existent state of Jesus, for they lie against the truth.
Oneness Pentecostals teach the following things about Jesus Christ: “Jesus pre-existed the Incarnation, not as the eternal Son but as the eternal Spirit of God. The Son was sent from the Father, but this terminology simply indicates that the Father enacted His pre-existing plan at a certain point in time and that the Son was divinely appointed to accomplish a certain task. In the same way, John the Baptist was a man sent from God, but he did not pre-exist his arrival into this world” (David K. Bernard, Essentials of Oneness Theology, Word Aflame Press, Hazelwood, MO, USA, 1995, pages 21-22). In other words, according to Oneness theology, Jesus, prior to His conception, was not a separate Person from God the Father. He could not exist as Son because for them ‘the Son had a beginning, namely, at the Incarnation’ (J. L. Hall and David K. Bernard, editors, Doctrines of the Bible, Word Aflame Press, Hazelwood, MO, U.S.A., 1998, page 21),
Confutation
The Scripture teaches that the Son of God, before the incarnation, existed as a Person separate from God the Father.
● John said: “We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father [or the Only Begotten from the Father], full of grace and truth” (John 1:14 – NIV).
● Jesus said: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was I AM” (John 8:58 – NKJV); “What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?” (John 6:62 – NKJV); “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me” (John 6:38 – NKJV); “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17:5 – NKJV); “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world” (John 17:24 – NKJV).
● Paul says: “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men” (Philippians 2:5-7 - NKJV).
As you can see, Jesus Christ, as Son existed even before His arrival into this world; He was with the Father, He was in the form of God, that is to say, He was equal with God. Therefore, He pre-existed as a Person, for the Scripture says that He was sent by the Father, He was given by the Father, and Jesus Himself clearly said that He came down from heaven.
To confirm what I have just said, I want to comment briefly upon the following words of John: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made ….The Word became flesh and lived for a while among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1.1-3, 14 - NIV). First of all, note that John says that the Word was with God, and then that the Word was God; however, pay attention to this, when John says that the Word was God he does not mean that the Word was God the Father (for the Greek has ‘kai Theos en ho Logos’, that is, ‘and God was the Word’, and not ‘kai ho Theos en ho Logos’, that is, ‘and the God was the Word’) because if the apostle had said such a thing he would have denied the pre-existence of the Son as a Person separate from God the Father. Notice also the following thing: John says that all things were made through the Word, that is to say, through the Son; and this is confirmed by the apostle Paul who wrote to the Colossians: “All things were created through Him and for Him” (Colossians 1:16 – NKJV), and by the author of the epistle to the Hebrews who wrote that God “made the worlds” (Hebrews 1:2 – NKJV) through His Son. So we infer that since God created the heavens and the earth through His Son, this means that the Son of God was in heaven with the Father before the world was made. And to conclude my comment upon the above mentioned words of John, I say this: if the Word was God (but not God the Father) and at a certain point in time the Word was made flesh, that means that when the Word took the form of a bondservant and came in the likeness of men, God who was in heaven remained for a certain period of time without the Word who had been with Him from all eternity. In other words, God did not have His Son with Him in heaven for a certain period of time. That’s why Jesus, before His death, said to His disciples: “I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father” (John 16:28 – NKJV). He left heaven to come into this world, and when He finished the work the Father had given Him to do, He left the earth and returned to heaven.
In the light of the above mentioned Scriptures, therefore, you must beware of all those who deny the pre-existent state of Jesus, for they lie against the truth.
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