The quote "If a man accepts everything, then he believes in nothing" is often attributed to G. K. Chesterton, a renowned English writer, philosopher, and Christian apologist.
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Absolutely-a few of his quotes.
“The riddles of God are more satisfying than the solutions of man.”
This quote reflects Chesterton's belief in the mystery of divine wisdom, which surpasses human understanding.
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and left untried.”
Chesterton often argued that the failure of people to live out the Christian faith was not due to its inadequacy but to its difficulty.
“The way to love anything is to realize that it might be lost.”
Here, Chesterton points to the value of appreciating what we have and the fleeting nature of life, urging a deeper appreciation of things we often take for granted.
“An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered.”
Chesterton’s characteristic humor is seen here, turning an everyday challenge into an opportunity for a different perspective.
“One sees great things from the valley; only small things from the peak.”
This quote emphasizes Chesterton's appreciation for humility and the broader perspective that often comes from life's struggles, rather than from positions of power or success.
“Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere.”
Chesterton believed that creativity and morality both required boundaries and discernment, which is a theme in many of his works.
“A man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.”
Chesterton often explored the idea that people are often more truthful when they are free from the constraints of their personal identity, suggesting the importance of honesty in expression.
“I don’t believe in the case for Christianity because I am a philosopher, but because I am a child.”
A reflection of Chesterton's belief that the simplicity and wonder of the Christian faith could be more readily grasped by a child-like heart than by overly intellectualized reasoning.
Shalom.
J.
People are quite interesting, for sure.
Proverbs 3:5 5 Trust unto Jehovah/Yahweh/Yahavah with all thy heart, And unto thine own understanding lean not.
It's amazing that the Old Testament mostly in any translation concludes the name of God as simply LORD. However the LORD does have a name.
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Most people always just quote the verse concerning Jesus name is above all names, however his name is above all names concerning salvation. His name is not higher than his Fathers, because even Jesus speaks of sitting upon his Father throne, but also in scripture, it speaks of Jesus giving all the power and authority back to his Father and becoming subjected unto him, whom gave him all things.
It's amazing to me.
Proverbs 3:5 5 Trust unto Jehovah/Yahweh/Yahavah with all thy heart, And unto thine own understanding lean not.
It's amazing that the Old Testament mostly in any translation concludes the name of God as simply LORD. However the LORD does have a name.
Yahavah's name, God's name. Is it important? Did God deem it important?
Answering the question of what is on my heart concerning the name of God, the King James version, omits the use of God's name for LORD. It's part of the four letters known as YHVH. It's God's name. Most people do not believe God desires his name to be known. If God is speaking here, it's...
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Most people always just quote the verse concerning Jesus name is above all names, however his name is above all names concerning salvation. His name is not higher than his Fathers, because even Jesus speaks of sitting upon his Father throne, but also in scripture, it speaks of Jesus giving all the power and authority back to his Father and becoming subjected unto him, whom gave him all things.
It's amazing to me.
They are all 3 in one bro ! 3 different bodys but one of the same.People are quite interesting, for sure.
Proverbs 3:5 5 Trust unto Jehovah/Yahweh/Yahavah with all thy heart, And unto thine own understanding lean not.
It's amazing that the Old Testament mostly in any translation concludes the name of God as simply LORD. However the LORD does have a name.
Yahavah's name, God's name. Is it important? Did God deem it important?
Answering the question of what is on my heart concerning the name of God, the King James version, omits the use of God's name for LORD. It's part of the four letters known as YHVH. It's God's name. Most people do not believe God desires his name to be known. If God is speaking here, it's...
Most people always just quote the verse concerning Jesus name is above all names, however his name is above all names concerning salvation. His name is not higher than his Fathers, because even Jesus speaks of sitting upon his Father throne, but also in scripture, it speaks of Jesus giving all the power and authority back to his Father and becoming subjected unto him, whom gave him all things.
It's amazing to me.
Salvation does only the will of the Father and the Holy Spirit is that as well ! because with out the Holy Spirit you have nothing in fact ! one can not pick up such !
So here is the phone say in some regards, crude tho expresion to say but nontheless, being the Holy Spirit ? it's the vehical ? the foundation that you could pick up on such regards ?
Then their is Jesus ? him in the flesh ! who came as Holy Moses said he would come ?
Now comes Salvation when he went to Heaven !
Ok got that ? that's two of the same ! in regards on One ! the same ? a branch of the same Tree ?
Now who gave you the understanding ? both the Holy Spirit and Salvation ! You can not have one without the other in fact !
Now who made all ? who made all this possible ? God the Father !
Now remember the Jews of old, never knew the Father in fact ! untill they became born again and this makes them Christians in fact, for who do they look to ? other Jews ? No ! They Look to Christ Jesus ! why ?
Because no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son, who is Salvation it's self ! and how does one come to get a handle on that, well well it's the Holy Spirit in fact !
For with out the Holy Spirit you have nothing to pick up on in fact in this regard !
Outside of that, one is carnal and only religious, like a OT Jew at best ! Lost ! For one needs the Holy Spirit in fact ! that's how the Holy Spirit works, it's the Key, maybe like the life blood of that same Tree ? that is the Trinity. the Tree of the Trinity one could say ?
God is that Tree and the branch is Christ Jesus and the life blood of that Tree is the Holy Spirit ?
The Jews did not have the Holy Spirit in fact, they had a Spirit ! and some who were worthy Jews were on track regarding the OT ? not all ! for they had other spirits leading them.
Pointing out regarding such as a Tree ?
The Tree would not exist with out God in fact ! it would never of been in the first place ?
The Life blood of the Tree ? with out such the tree would be dead !
The Branch ? without such the Tree would not exist to survive in fact ! their are 3 in one but all are the same in fact = a Tree indeed !
Then also remember the Body of Christ ? It has one as it's Head ! and the parts their of are the Church = the Body of Christ in fact !
The rest abide in the Head ! period ! regardless who they are of that body.
But some clown will demand how can that be, the body is One in fact ? haha ! is not figurtive speeking is not alowed to express a point ?Hebrews use such very much so. but some of that is lost when translating into English etc. we do not use such as much as Hebrew was on about. and to use a word for something was looked down on, because such could be mistaken, making such a target for idiots etc. remember they did not say God openly like we do ?
Maybe the God head could be used for the trinity ? or the Tree of Life ? etc. so as not to muddy the waters in fegards to Fools who turn everything upside down, because they can not fathom or ill intent etc. remember Jesus said this world is Full of Deceptions and Delusions ! He is correct it is so !
When a mate comes down here and i am working on a car, he claimes to know what he is doing ? but he knows nothing indepth regarding newer cars and he is a huge problem, because he will go play with something he knows nothing about ! directly he will go do the worse thing possible ! I have to say don't touch that at all ! because it's over $1000 or more that can be destroyed or cause trouble just by touching it in the wrong spot etc !
So one can think or claim they know what they are doing, but in reality it's not the case at all !
Like the JW will claim what they think the Trinity is ? and it's just a Joke, like something that a 5yo may say.
Greetings to anyone who might read this,
I do not hold any animosity or contempt for those who believe in the "trinity" as a truth in their hearts. Let me be clear: I am not a believer in the "trinity" nor do I advocate for it in my studies. Why? Because I agree with what Paul expresses in 1 Corinthians 8:6, which states that for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom all things originate and for whom we exist; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came into being and through whom we live. I also believe that the Holy Spirit of Yahavah is simply the Holy Spirit of Yahavah. Thus, I maintain that God/Yahavah, the Word of God/Yahavah, and the Holy Spirit of God/Yahavah all existed from the very beginning. I do not attempt to define them beyond stating that there is one God, and when God sent the Word of God, there is one Lord named Jesus. While the Holy Spirit is not mentioned in 1 Corinthians 8:6, I believe that although God is spirit, he also possesses a holy spirit that emanates from himself, which now dwells within those who belong to him, guiding them when they look to him in faith.
I simply dislike all the unnecessary complexity, jargon, and individuals who wish to claim, "This person lacks faith in the trinity, so they must be pursued and harmed, or excommunicated." The truth is, the Trinity does not make anyone right with God. I continue to love Yahavah and the Son, and I am grateful that we have the guidance of the spirit of Christ/the holy Spirit of God to live by, as it inspires us to act at the right moments, not out of obligation or pressure from others.
No one has presented a single scripture passage to me in this discussion that asserts, "the trinity makes people right with God." That is why I structured this conversation in this way, as I know such a statement cannot be substantiated by scripture. It appears more like a theory than a truth; while I have considered the theory of the trinity, I ultimately conclude that it does not establish righteousness with God. It is through Jesus, his righteousness, holiness, redemption, and wisdom, viewed in faith, that we are made right with God.
Paul wrote in Romans 5:1, "We have been made right with God because of our faith. So we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
If anyone feels disrespected by my sharing of this perspective, I apologize for your feelings. You, dear reader, are free to believe whatever you choose, as that is your right, and I am not here to dictate to anyone. I encourage people to think independently, make their own decisions, and seek the truth without being misled. I do not read every thread or every comment, but I notice that people often argue about this doctrine; that is their prerogative. However, when you arrive at the truth, sometimes it is necessary to move forward, though it does not mean you cannot engage in discussions about it again in the future.
I do not hold any animosity or contempt for those who believe in the "trinity" as a truth in their hearts. Let me be clear: I am not a believer in the "trinity" nor do I advocate for it in my studies. Why? Because I agree with what Paul expresses in 1 Corinthians 8:6, which states that for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom all things originate and for whom we exist; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came into being and through whom we live. I also believe that the Holy Spirit of Yahavah is simply the Holy Spirit of Yahavah. Thus, I maintain that God/Yahavah, the Word of God/Yahavah, and the Holy Spirit of God/Yahavah all existed from the very beginning. I do not attempt to define them beyond stating that there is one God, and when God sent the Word of God, there is one Lord named Jesus. While the Holy Spirit is not mentioned in 1 Corinthians 8:6, I believe that although God is spirit, he also possesses a holy spirit that emanates from himself, which now dwells within those who belong to him, guiding them when they look to him in faith.
I simply dislike all the unnecessary complexity, jargon, and individuals who wish to claim, "This person lacks faith in the trinity, so they must be pursued and harmed, or excommunicated." The truth is, the Trinity does not make anyone right with God. I continue to love Yahavah and the Son, and I am grateful that we have the guidance of the spirit of Christ/the holy Spirit of God to live by, as it inspires us to act at the right moments, not out of obligation or pressure from others.
No one has presented a single scripture passage to me in this discussion that asserts, "the trinity makes people right with God." That is why I structured this conversation in this way, as I know such a statement cannot be substantiated by scripture. It appears more like a theory than a truth; while I have considered the theory of the trinity, I ultimately conclude that it does not establish righteousness with God. It is through Jesus, his righteousness, holiness, redemption, and wisdom, viewed in faith, that we are made right with God.
Paul wrote in Romans 5:1, "We have been made right with God because of our faith. So we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
If anyone feels disrespected by my sharing of this perspective, I apologize for your feelings. You, dear reader, are free to believe whatever you choose, as that is your right, and I am not here to dictate to anyone. I encourage people to think independently, make their own decisions, and seek the truth without being misled. I do not read every thread or every comment, but I notice that people often argue about this doctrine; that is their prerogative. However, when you arrive at the truth, sometimes it is necessary to move forward, though it does not mean you cannot engage in discussions about it again in the future.
Ritajanice
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Who cares what they claim.
Our faith is in God, not other people....we only listen to the Holy Spirit..not members on a forum, unless you hear from the Spirit talking through them....we have the gift of discernment...as it grows, we can hear more and more from the Spirit on who is preaching Gods truth.thats my opinion.
Plenty of false prophets out there.plus even as believers we can still get confused..
Hello @Ritajanice,
Indeed. Many individuals feel perplexed and uncertain about their salvation, their relationship with God, or whether they appear flawed due to their beliefs. This is something I find troubling. People ought to recognize and comprehend that God loves them, which is why He sent the Word of God, incarnated as Jesus, who was born of both flesh and spirit. This same Jesus chose to die on the cross for humanity, atoning for their sins, was buried, and rose again to affirm that sins have been forgiven for everyone, even while they were initially in disbelief. His love for the Father motivated Him to sacrifice Himself for the sake of fulfilling His Father's will, aiming to restore the world to its original state, where individuals must decide whether they will acknowledge God's presence in their lives today. Many tend to seek answers from others, but what truly matters is the relationship with the Father in heaven, which is established through faith; those who earnestly seek Him will be rewarded (I believe through the merits of the spirit). Those who assert that one must adhere to specific actions or beliefs to be right with God may not be correct. Discernment is crucial in these matters. My goal is to encourage people to think independently, to realize they are loved by God; ultimately, it is their choice to seek Him or not.
Indeed. Many individuals feel perplexed and uncertain about their salvation, their relationship with God, or whether they appear flawed due to their beliefs. This is something I find troubling. People ought to recognize and comprehend that God loves them, which is why He sent the Word of God, incarnated as Jesus, who was born of both flesh and spirit. This same Jesus chose to die on the cross for humanity, atoning for their sins, was buried, and rose again to affirm that sins have been forgiven for everyone, even while they were initially in disbelief. His love for the Father motivated Him to sacrifice Himself for the sake of fulfilling His Father's will, aiming to restore the world to its original state, where individuals must decide whether they will acknowledge God's presence in their lives today. Many tend to seek answers from others, but what truly matters is the relationship with the Father in heaven, which is established through faith; those who earnestly seek Him will be rewarded (I believe through the merits of the spirit). Those who assert that one must adhere to specific actions or beliefs to be right with God may not be correct. Discernment is crucial in these matters. My goal is to encourage people to think independently, to realize they are loved by God; ultimately, it is their choice to seek Him or not.
That's kind of a tricky question. Since the Trinity is about God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit, then you would be persuaded to say yes. But really? The only thing that makes any of us right with God is our confession of faith in Jesus as our Lord and Saviour. When we are saved, the blood of Jesus covers us, we are then reborn a new creation, and we are now the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus.
The Trinity is for mature Christians and not the babes who are newly saved. Knowledge of the Trinity cannot be understood with the carnal mind, we have to be spiritually minded to understand spiritual things.
So basically, no the knowledge and understanding of the Trinity does not make you right or wrong with God. It is more like delving deeper into the hidden wisdom of God.
Hello @Heart2Soul,
If it was for mature Christians, why do so many people fight back and forth over it? Mature Christians, typically don't fight amongst themselves. And everyone would be in agreement of it. I love people who believe in the trinity, it has no affect on salvation. A mystery that can not be understood, doesn't make sense why people are so defensive over it as though it makes them right in Gods eyes.
I don't think it makes anyone who says they understand it, truth. Because its a mystery they so say... It's just a never-ending theory.
Exactly, a lot of strife over a topic that they have not yet received the revelation of it. Then they use the argument the word Trinity is not in the Bible. Fair enough, that isn't, but the Father, Son and Holy Spirit bear witness of one another throughout the Bible. I believe, for the sake of simplicity, that Bible scholars began to use that word to simplify the topic. Instead of saying God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit each time they use Trinity.
Hello @Heart2Soul,
That would be a day to behold; alas it's been happening for over the past 2000 years. Lol. Love to you and all people no matter what they believe, abiding in Christ is the way to go.
That would be a day to behold; alas it's been happening for over the past 2000 years. Lol. Love to you and all people no matter what they believe, abiding in Christ is the way to go.
Amen, brother. Let each be persuaded in his own heart working out their own salvation as the Holy Spirit leads them....line upon line, precept upon precept.
Yes, ultimately everyone has to deal with themselves in the end. I believe this is why when we read the Bible, so much is revealed about whom we are as individuals. Therefore everyone has to be persuaded in their own mind, and therefore go about their life in either looking towards the one whom redeems us or not.
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Behold
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No.
How do you know?
Its because Jesus isn't the "Trinity".
Notice this verse..
"All who call on the Name of JESUS...shall be saved".
Now, what does this verse NOT say?
1.) "all who call on the Trinity, shall be save".
2.) "only the elect who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved".
It's amazing how much time people will spend focused on the trinity itself. Years will pass by, and it seems like that will all they know. There are so many people that become vicious, there are some people that will state that if you do not believe like them, you are not a Christian. Let people say what they will, and go on your own personal journey reading the bible to oneself. Some doctrines people say are of the highest important, and they are debated. That doesn't do anything to help oneself deny the flesh. Arguing and bickering and causing dissensions which we are all guilty of is sin.
Galatians 5:
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Galatians 5:
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Greeting Matthew and Happy New Years to you.
A couple things I want to say to you. Looking at the scriptures as a whole there is really no such thing as a solitary Christian life. We are to assemble with Christians and worship the Trinity. That being said, the term “church” in the scriptures means congregation or assembly. No Christian church buildings until after the edict of Milan in 313.
The closest thing to church buildings were “house churches” in other words religious assembly in private residences which generally occurred at night as to make it less obvious. These services were more or less a dinner and observance of the Bread and Wine Ritual and a dinner with food and wine and worship and study.
So as Christians we should associate with and assemble for worshiping with other Christians, but that can be at a church or someone’s home. The key is to assemble and fellowship with other Christians. But again nothing in the scripture prescribes to solitary Christians.
Next topic is a matter of terms…..As you probably know I do not believe in the one God formula for the Trinity. But I do use the terms Trinity, or Godhead, or even God or Lord for the Godhead.
Next topic….I do not believe that believing in the one God formula for the Trinity will send someone to hell or is a sin. And most of the Christians I know and worship with do believe in the one God formula. But there is a down side to believing in the one God formula because it skews the meaning of a lot of scriptures and leads to a lesser understanding and confusion of the scriptures.
God Bless to you and yours
Hello @Grailhunter, I have to make this reply in 2 posts, this is the first one.
I believe the life of a person who is a follower of Jesus is one of faith, in looking to the Father and worshipping him in Spirit and Truth just as Jesus stated in John 4:24 "For God/Yahavah is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." And for Abraham, Paul wrote Romans 4:3 "What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
While you may suggest there is no such thing as a solitary faithfully lived life, I would disagree.
As a personal choice, I do not go into a church, nor to I worship the trinity. I reverse back to what Jesus stated in John 4:24 "For God/Yahavah is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." This is exactly what the Father looks for people to do, just one verse back; John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
I do not see what relevance this has to anything. While people may go to a church, any church no matter what denomination, that is all fine and good with me for them to do so. My hope is that they see what I shared previously. That Yahavah seeks people for him to be worshiped in spirit and in truth.
That is cool, and historically accurate, but still the key to a life lived for a follower of Jesus, is to worship the Father in spirit and in truth. People meeting up and studying the bible is totally cool and fine with me.
I've heard that was the case before, and thank you for restating the case, whether or not it is done today, has no effect on salvation which is done by the Lord Yeshua, it's simply the choice to seek out God throughout their life or not, and he rewards though who does so. The writer of Hebrews puts it as so Hebrews 11:6 "And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him." It's impossible to please the Father without faith, and there are many people who do not even know Jesus, and choose to believe that Yahavah exist, and I believe even they are given the holy spirit by the Father, and in the afterlife they will find out and come to know the truth about the one whom had saved them in their life from their bondage of the flesh, living by the Spirit given to them. Also mentioned in Hebrews 10:16 a chapter before, "“This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day, says the LORD: I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”" I believe these scriptures still have significant motivation to what I am saying to remain true.
Yes, I agree, but still even with being with other people, you have your own personally experienced and subjective lived life. While meeting up with other people is all fine and good, you are still left alone to ones own self at the end of the day, even if you have family. I am reminded of something Yeshua/Jesus had stated, Matthew 10:13 “If you love your father or mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine." These are things mentioned by Yeshua concerning, priority. The priority of a lived life is to follow Jesus, and listen to him above our own friends and family. We have to live work and make money, that is all fine and good as well to sustain ones family, and lived life. However, where is Yahavah/God in the matter on the heart of the individual? That is a personal observation people have to make themselves.
While you may think I am at fault for being a believer, who doesn't go to church. If that is what you are assuming. I would say that you are wrong in that assessment. That is just the judgement that I have. I am a person who is to himself. Is that anyone business? No not really. Do they have to try to come in and correct me? Many people assume so, and try to do so. People can go to church and all that, that is all fine and good once again. I guess my mother is at fault for not going to church either, but as you stated you can read the bible with another person and even study with them in their home.
That is a personal and subjective thing that pertains to you alone. Not anything anyone else has to subscribe to, just as they do not have to subscribe to showing up to a church building, or even at a home. Because in the end the worship of the Father, which he seeks for people to worship him in Spirit and truth, is a subjectively lived "alone" experience that no one can touch.
Okay, that is all fine and cool. It's not like you have to explain these things to me, but I thank you for sharing them with me. I don't mind the term Godhead. They still aren't things that bring a person salvation. It's Yeshua, whom brings forth salvation, and deliverance from our bondage to the flesh, to living a new life in him, and his resurrection. Paul speaks about this in Romans 6: 4 "For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives." Dying to our old ways of life, to new ways of life in and through Christ being raised, bringing us from our once previous spiritually dead state. Stated by Jesus, in Luke 9:59 He said to another person, “Come, follow me.” The man agreed, but he said, “Lord, first let me return home and bury my father.” 60 But Jesus told him, “Let the spiritually dead bury their own dead![a] Your duty is to go and preach about the Kingdom of God.” Again a matter of priority. What you believe about these things are going to be subjective and between you and your own heart concerning them.
Hello @Grailhunter, this is the second post of 2, 2/2.
For myself, I choose openly to rest in what Yahavah, as been made known to me by and through the Word of God, made flesh born and of spirit, named Jesus and follow after him. Not what man may suggest that you do this, or do that. That is still a subjectively lived follower of Christ life, even if you see it is unviable.
No one ever said that it was. That is just a subjective belief between themselves and what they believe in their heart concerning matters. That is why so many people bicker back and forth, because it's a heart matter. Not a logical understanding matter. What is truth, I believe God can help us find, along with asking him for wisdom. He can answer questions better than any man ever could. Mentioned in James, James 1:5 If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. Mentioned in a letter from Paul to the Corinthians 2:5 I did this so you would trust not in human wisdom but in the power of God.
For myself, I choose openly to rest in what Yahavah, as been made known to me by and through the Word of God, made flesh born and of spirit, named Jesus and follow after him. Not what man may suggest that you do this, or do that. That is still a subjectively lived follower of Christ life, even if you see it is unviable.
Okay, these matters are subjective. The conclusion still ends in where is the heart of the person. If a person doesn't go to church, does not mean they are not in relationship and direct connection to the Father in heaven, when they have faith and seek him out. As again, it's impossible to please Yahavah/God, without faith. And there are people out there whom are faithful, and the result of that is ultimately love, love for God, and love for others, which is found in 1 Corinthians 13, but also founded in Romans, written by Paul again, it's found "8:28 And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them."
I don't believe that is true, but you may believe it is true by all means. I've shared what I have because I decided to take time to respond to you as a I should in Christ, and not by my fleshly ways, which I had did prior therefore I deleted my last post to conclude these matters.
Thank you, and may Yahavah bless you too, and may the decision to worship in Spirit and truth, be something people seek for in their life.
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