Chuck Missler Proves The Pre-Trib Rapture

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David in NJ

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I can agree with what you said but what does that have to do with whether or not the rapture is pre trib?
You and i are Brethren
There is no need for us to be divided.

As a matter of fact, we who hold Christ and the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit as our only means of Salvation and Life and Strength,
should be learning from one another and completely BLIND to showing or allowing "respect of persons" in our midst.





 
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To begin with, charges of plagiarism:

"A Los Angeles Times article reported that Missler and co-author Hal Lindsey had plagiarised a portion of Professor Edwin Yamauchi's 1982 book Foes From the Northern Frontier in their own 1992 book The Magog Factor. Hal Lindsey's manager Paul Krikac said Missler had written the passages in question, but conceded that Lindsey is responsible for the overall manuscript. After the missed attribution was acknowledged by Missler and acknowledged in a letter (TMI_Letter.PDF), book shipments to bookstores were discontinued and all of the authors' proceeds donated to a ministry.[1]"

But it's much deeper than that.

I didn't want to be the one to bring you the bad news, but here's a sampling of the guy's "spooky" history.

Chuck made the transition from the military to the private sector when he became a systems engineer with TRW, a large aerospace firm. He then went on to serve as a senior analyst with a non-profit think tank where he conducted projects for the intelligence community and the Department of Defense.

Here's a sanitized updated version of some of the sly Missler's history from his own "official website":

"SWANsat (Super Wide Area Network) is a company headed by Dr William Welty (1953-2019). It was founded around a concept of a building a coherent, world-wide Super-Wide Area Network™ that is more secure, cost-effective, wider and faster bandwidth than any wireless service currently available by way of a series of geostationary satellites. One goal is that Christian Ministries would be able to use the service for free. To date, SWANsat exists largely on paper in development and no satellites have been built or launched. Chuck Missler was on the board in a technical advisory capacity."


"Chuck joined the USN Missile Program and eventually became Branch Chief of the Department of Guided Missiles at Lowry Air Force Base."

"In 1978 Chuck became the CEO of Western Digital and saved the company from bankruptcy, he pushed for increased R&D and in 1981 Chuck personally funded and directed the first microchip implementation of the Data Encryption Standard (DES) of the National Bureau of Standards, in concert with Carnegie Mellon Institute of Research."

"Missler started his own company, Cyphernetics, a privately-owned company, which began operations In June 1969 and planned to operate a national time-sharing computer network."

"Missler was a director for Datum Inc. which developed, computer peripherals and cesium clocks of the Global Positioning
Satellite systems, etc."

"In 1984 Chuck was the Chairman and CEO of Resdel Industries, Inc. a defense contractor based in Newport Beach. And in 1987 Resdel won a contract to make radio receivers for P-3 Submarine Hunters. While Chuck was the Chairman for Resdel, he was on the board of the Ramtron Corporation, which the Ramtron Corporation was formed to research, develop, and market a new generation of nonvolatile semiconductor products that integrate ferro- electric and semiconductor materials, using established silicon manufacturing techniques. By applying novel ferroelectric circuit designs, materials, and processing techniques, Ramtron has produced the first practical ferroelectric random access memory (FRAM)."

"Missler was the chairman and a major shareholder of a small, publicly owned development company known as Phoenix Group International. The firm established an $8 billion joint venture with the Soviet Union to supply 6 million personal computers to their 143,000 schools."

"Missler served on the Board of Directors with William E. Simon (former Secretary of Treasury), General David C. Jones (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff), Admiral Tom Hayward (Chief of Naval Operations) and Dr. Edward Teller, (Scientific Advisor to the President), involved in highly sensitive advanced technology projects, and on the Board of Directors of the Computer and Communications Industry Association in Washington D.C."


etc. etc.

I spoke with the guy when he was at New Zealand. Arrogant and dismissive, especially when I was moving closer to the truth and he perceived others nearby being attentive to me.

If you want to get into his scriptural heresies, we can do that, too.
RCC and NASA are not working towards Truth

Missler was part of both behind closed doors.

#1 rampant sin amongst christians today = "respect of persons"
 

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Now waitaminute, we were talking about if the rapture is pre trib or not, So who cares about chuck Misslers biography?

So you can't prove his message wrong with scripture so, attack the messenger and try to bring into question his credibility?

You have fun with that if it amuses you but it's a waste of my time so I aint playing that game.

Bring out some scripture brother! Remember what that is? Remember what the topic is?
The Scripture AGAINST pre-trib rapture begins in Genesis, extends thru the OT Prophets, is absolutely rejected by Christ in His Gospel and
is absolutely rejected by the Apostles.

Shouldn't you place your complete truth is these Holy Men by whom God penned the Scriptures by His Holy Spirit!!!
 

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You and i are Brethren
There is no need for us to be divided.

As a matter of fact, we who hold Christ and the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit as our only means of Salvation and Life and Strength,
should be learning from one another and completely BLIND to showing or allowing "respect of persons" in our midst.

Sounds fine to me. We're two brethern who are of the same Kingdom and body but we merely disagree on when the rapture will occur. Hardly a salvific issue! I think it's going to be sooner than the tribulation. If I'm wrong, I'm still saved and will still be ready and watching! I just started watching sooner than you did!

If you're wrong, then the worst thing that could happen is you miss the rapture and have to go through the tribulation. Still saved of course, just dont take the mark of the beast!
 
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Sounds fine to me. We're two brethern who are of the same Kingdom and body but we merely disagree on when the rapture will occur. Hardly a salvific issue! I think it's going to be sooner than the tribulation. If I'm wrong, I'm still saved and will still be ready and watching! I just started watching sooner than you did!

If you're wrong, then the worst thing that could happen is you miss the rapture and have to go through the tribulation. Still saved of course, just dont take the mark of the beast!
Correct and we both have no other choice, now do we!
 

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The Scripture AGAINST pre-trib rapture begins in Genesis, extends thru the OT Prophets, is absolutely rejected by Christ in His Gospel and
is absolutely rejected by the Apostles.

Shouldn't you place your complete truth is these Holy Men by whom God penned the Scriptures by His Holy Spirit!!!

We can take a look at it if you want to. What was that specific scripture again?
 

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Correct and we both have no other choice, now do we!

What's that mean? We do have a choice of what to believe. I have pounded those scriptures about the rapture and it's all in there. If you choose to have the eyes to see.

No other choice, lol!
 

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We can take a look at it if you want to. What was that specific scripture again?
Here is what i have received from the Holy Spirit = Genesis is the Foundation of all Truth that will follow.

Genesis lays the Foundation for the Gospel beginning in chapter 1.
This is where the Apostle John wrote the beginning of his gospel from as he was able to SEE this.
We are the beneficiaries of this Truth.

Not only did the Apostle John SEE from Genesis but so also did the Apostle Paul by which he wrote Galatians and Ephesians.
And of course, JESUS quoted from Genesis to the Jews and to His Church affirming His Eternal Authority from the writings of Moses.

My Brother MA244, if you were to pray and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to walk you thru Genesis, i am convinced that you will be greatly blessed at what He will show you from it.

The first seven chapters are amazing.
 
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What's that mean? We do have a choice of what to believe. I have pounded those scriptures about the rapture and it's all in there. If you choose to have the eyes to see.

No other choice, lol!
No other choice as we both wait for the Second Coming of Christ

There are no other choices but unadulterated Scripture or that which men add to and take away from scripture.
 

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Here is what i have received from the Holy Spirit = Genesis is the Foundation of all Truth that will follow.

Genesis lays the Foundation for the Gospel beginning in chapter 1.
This is where the Apostle John wrote the beginning of his gospel from as he was able to SEE this.
We are the beneficiaries of this Truth.

Not only did the Apostle John SEE from Genesis but so also did the Apostle Paul by which he wrote Galatians and Ephesians.
And of course, JESUS quoted from Genesis to the Jews and to His Church affirming His Eternal Authority from the writings of Moses.

My Brother MA244, if you were to pray and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to walk you thru Genesis, i am convinced that you will be greatly blessed at what He will show you from it.

The first seven chapters are amazing.

I agree with you. Genesis is the key to understanding the new testament. If one does not understand Genesis then he wot understand a lot of the NT and especially the book of Revelation.

But it still wasn't the scripture I was looking for. I guess you don't have that.
 

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I agree with you. Genesis is the key to understanding the new testament. If one does not understand Genesis then he wot understand a lot of the NT and especially the book of Revelation.

But it still wasn't the scripture I was looking for. I guess you don't have that.
Forgive me a sthere is a lot going on at home right now.

Which scripture and/or emphasis are you most interested in from me, whereby you feel i am avoiding you.
 

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Forgive me a sthere is a lot going on at home right now.

Which scripture and/or emphasis are you most interested in from me, whereby you feel i am avoiding you.

You said you can debunk Chuck Missler and pre trib rapture. That scripture!
 

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You said you can debunk Chuck Missler and pre trib rapture. That scripture!
It begins in Genesis and is confirmed by JESUS and the Apostles.

Truth #1 from Genesis = There are only two Comings of the LORD = God establishes this with the allegorical and true account of Joseph
 

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Chuck Missler is a real good teacher, rip Chuck. He totally and thoroughly proves a pre trib rapture in this Lonnng video. It's long so the hostile post tribbers are guarenteed not to watch it, but if you've been following any of that and havent made up your mind yet then sometimes it helps to have a real teacher teach about it, and uses so much scripture in this video, so have a pen ready to take notes. Ask The Holy Spirit to show you the truth.

I used to believe the pre-tribulation rapture model for 20 years, but now I'm convinced that the rapture actually happened in 70 AD, and it was only for believers who remained faithful.

Later generations of Christians miss this because they listened to the church fathers over the scriptures, assuming they even had access to the scriptures at the time.

The rapture happened at the end of the Great Tribulation, which was from 66 to 70 AD. It's a different period of time from the 70th Week, which is still in the future.

Jesus will return to regather Israel under the covenant at Moab (Deut 30), and to initiate the 1,000-year reign.
 

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I used to believe the pre-tribulation rapture model for 20 years, but now I'm convinced that the rapture actually happened in 70 AD, and it was only for believers who remained faithful.

Later generations of Christians miss this because they listened to the church fathers over the scriptures, assuming they even had access to the scriptures at the time.

The rapture happened at the end of the Great Tribulation, which was from 66 to 70 AD. It's a different period of time from the 70th Week, which is still in the future.

Jesus will return to regather Israel under the covenant at Moab (Deut 30), and to initiate the 1,000-year reign.
Missler never proved pre-trib rapture in the video.

Saying pre-trib does not make it true except in your own mind.

#1a TRUTH - God NEVER said anywhere in His word - 'pre-trib' rapture.

#1b TRUTH - JESUS spoke AGAINST pre-trib rapture.

#1c TRUTH - the Holy Spirit, speaking thru the Apostles spoke AGAINST pre-trib rapture
 

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Chuck Missler is a real good teacher, rip Chuck. He totally and thoroughly proves a pre trib rapture in this Lonnng video. It's long so the hostile post tribbers are guarenteed not to watch it, but if you've been following any of that and havent made up your mind yet then sometimes it helps to have a real teacher teach about it, and uses so much scripture in this video, so have a pen ready to take notes. Ask The Holy Spirit to show you the truth.


Well...No...he did not "prove" anything but his own lack of understanding. And he contradicted other scriptures to make his case.
 

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It begins in Genesis and is confirmed by JESUS and the Apostles.

Truth #1 from Genesis = There are only two Comings of the LORD = God establishes this with the allegorical and true account of Joseph

So in effect, you got nothing?
Not one verse. Ok well I can't see why pre trib is wrong then.
 

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Missler never proved pre-trib rapture in the video.

Saying pre-trib does not make it true except in your own mind.

#1a TRUTH - God NEVER said anywhere in His word - 'pre-trib' rapture.

#1b TRUTH - JESUS spoke AGAINST pre-trib rapture.

#1c TRUTH - the Holy Spirit, speaking thru the Apostles spoke AGAINST pre-trib rapture

Maybe it's that truth is in all caps? I have seen the light and believe you now! (Not)

You havent debunked anything. You have given your conclusions that you came to after you read...something? WHat I do not know.

In whhat scripture did Jesus speak AGAINST a pre trib rapture? I'd like to read that for myself. Sadly you have not given even one scripture.

I doubt you even watched the video, otherwise you would have talking points where Chuck is wrong...he said this this...and he';s wrong because of that...and give your scriptures and so forth. None of that here I see. Just oh Chuck Missler is wrong. Did you go to the WPM college of debate? Sounds like it.
 

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That's because it's unbiblical, and therefore unprovable.


Did you read my comment? I don't support the pre-tribulation rapture.

Unbiblical? Unprovable? Unbiblical in what way? Where?

And if the rapture happened in 70 AD then where are your supporting scriptures for that? Were they typed in disappearing ink or something? You got to give us more than if you dont want us to chuckle...