The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

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David in NJ

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Pre-trib would make a distinction between tribulation that comes from the world and tribulation that comes from God. We are not exempt from tribulation that comes from the world, but we are exempt from tribulation (judgement) that comes from God. There's plenty of examples in the Bible that demonstrate this.



Who was the Book of Matthew written to? It wasn't to the gentiles, and the church didn't exist yet. It was written primarily to a Jewish audience. Regardless, there has been a partial fulfillment of this within the past two thousand years.



#1 I would agree though we would disagree when God's wrath begins
#2 "Saints" like "elect" can mean different things. You believe it refers to the church, I do not.
#2 "Saints" like "elect" can mean different things. You believe it refers to the church, I do not.
We KNOW it pertains to His People/the Church/the Saints because JESUS and the Apostles clearly said so!
We also know it pertains to the Jewish people whom God FOREKNEW, the same people HE will soon Judge and SAVE

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse:

Greet all the saints in Christ Jesus. The brothers who are with me send you greetings.

JESUS says His Church are the saints: Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

JESUS says His Bride/Church are the 'elect of God' - John 6:44
Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Peter 1
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

and MORE from the Holy Scriptures
 
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Pre-trib would make a distinction between tribulation that comes from the world and tribulation that comes from God. We are not exempt from tribulation that comes from the world, but we are exempt from tribulation (judgement) that comes from God. There's plenty of examples in the Bible that demonstrate this.



Who was the Book of Matthew written to? It wasn't to the gentiles, and the church didn't exist yet. It was written primarily to a Jewish audience. Regardless, there has been a partial fulfillment of this within the past two thousand years.



#1 I would agree though we would disagree when God's wrath begins
#2 "Saints" like "elect" can mean different things. You believe it refers to the church, I do not.
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100% AGREE if you change this: we are exempt from tribulation (judgement) that comes from God.
to this: we are NOT exempt from tribulation that God assigns/permits to us BUT we are EXEMPT from His WRATH

My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.
But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope. Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”
 

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Pre-trib would make a distinction between tribulation that comes from the world and tribulation that comes from God. We are not exempt from tribulation that comes from the world, but we are exempt from tribulation (judgement) that comes from God. There's plenty of examples in the Bible that demonstrate this.



Who was the Book of Matthew written to? It wasn't to the gentiles, and the church didn't exist yet. It was written primarily to a Jewish audience. Regardless, there has been a partial fulfillment of this within the past two thousand years.



#1 I would agree though we would disagree when God's wrath begins
#2 "Saints" like "elect" can mean different things. You believe it refers to the church, I do not.
The Chuck Missler video teaching is a blessing in this thread. It clears u what can and has been misunderstood in many study groups for years.

 
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Put all together, this symbolism may present a perfect picture of the Pretrib Rapture to you, if indeed a Pretrib Rapture even existed. But it doesn't. That's why it's so dangerous to build doctrine on symbolism, in which people can fasten any particular meaning to it they wish to attach.

True biblical doctrine is spelled out, and not hinted at, in the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit. He doesn't make vague suggestions, but says what He wants us to believe. There is absolutely zero Pretrib Doctrine spelled out in the NT Scriptures!! So, all of this symbolism can be attached to Pretrib Doctrine, Midtrib Doctrine, Postrib Doctrine, or any doctrine that one wishes to presuppose and then rationalize.

Let's take just your points here, and see how they fit into Postrib Doctrine, as well.

1. There is an element of surprise. No one knew when the wedding would take place except the father.

The Beast in the book of Revelation reigns without contest for 1260 days. Then the world rises up at Armageddon, which is a mobilization that obviously takes some time. Nobody knows when the trigger will be pulled on this apparently-nuclear war. It has the element of surprise.

We are told in Scriptures that even though Christians do not know the day or the hour, it is the unbelievers who will be surprised--not believers. And the book of Revelation indicates that Christ comes as a thief *at Armageddon!* Rev 16.15

2. There is a sense of imminency. The bride and her bridesmaids had to always be ready because they didn’t know the exact hour of the wedding.

Our readiness for Christ's Coming is said, by Jesus, to be a matter of doing good works, of doing the service of the Kingdom. This is not an any-minute expectation of the Kingdom! We do jobs not expecting an unexpected interruption, but rather, to maintain worthiness. It is *being worthy* that makes us ready--not intellectual alertness with the paranoia we could be caught in a sin! It's more like being a responsible worker than being a watchman expecting the enemy at any moment.

3. There is a seven-day period where the groom and bride are secluded.
a. This corresponds to Daniel’s Seventh Week, where one week represents seven years.


There is no future 70th Week of Daniel to be fulfilled. It took place as only a Half-Week immediately following the 69th Week, which was in the time of Jesus' earthly ministry. And it was to be followed by the fall of Jerusalem, which is what happened in 70 AD. There is no future Week of Daniel!

You might as well say the "seven-day period" refers to 7000 years of human history in which mankind waits to fully enter into immortality with Christ. You can make symbols mean whatever you want them to mean--this is not biblical doctrine!

4. There is a wedding feast during this period that culminates in the grand marriage supper.

All Christians are already betrothed to Christ and married by contract, even though our future immortality has not yet been settled. That will be the wedding feast, when we enjoy immortality and everlasting joy. This is as Postrib as you can get.

The Church cannot be glorified until the time of the resurrection of the saints. And that takes place, according the NT Scriptures, at the 2nd Coming of Christ, which is the last day of the age. It is when we become Christians that our engagement period begins, already finalized as a contract.

a. Those who were invited but did not come were locked out of the celebration in outer darkness, where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It goes without saying that when Christ comes again on the last day, the wicked and false believers will be excluded and sent off into outer darkness, while those who were faithful are invited into the glorious city of Christ.

None of this is necessarily Pretrib. Pretrib applications "do not fit" because there *is not Pretrib Doctrine in the Bible!!* By contrast, Postrib Doctrine is explicitly taught in the Bible, in Dan 7, in the Olivet Discourse, in 2 Thes 2, and in the book of Revelation. No Jewish marriage ceremony suggests otherwise.
The Jewish wedding so perfectly fits pretrib rapture.
You never did refute it in any of your sentences
 
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We KNOW it pertains to His People/the Church/the Saints because JESUS and the Apostles clearly said so!
We also know it pertains to the Jewish people whom God FOREKNEW, the same people HE will soon Judge and SAVE

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse:

Greet all the saints in Christ Jesus. The brothers who are with me send you greetings.

JESUS says His Church are the saints: Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

JESUS says His Bride/Church are the 'elect of God' - John 6:44
Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Peter 1
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

and MORE from the Holy Scriptures
The seals and trumpets come from God in the 7 yr great tribulation.
There is nothing of your doctrine that is not twisted.
 

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The seals and trumpets come from God in the 7 yr great tribulation.
There is nothing of your doctrine that is not twisted.
The 70th Week is the LORD

Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled in CHRIST

The OT prophet Jeremiah verifies Daniel 9:24 is fulfilled in CHRIST

pre-trib rapture blinds you to the TRUTH
 

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You are not the first one to push the Jewish wedding as a model for a false pre-trib rapture. So I don't need to read everything you wrote about it. On a much more simple note, Lord Jesus gave us the time of His coming and gathering of His Church in the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scripture, which is AFTER... the tribulation. And Apostle Paul taught the same order in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.

And that's the problem with the deceived on men's false pre-trib rapture theory; they heed men more than the actual Word of God.
If the groom and bride offend you, then stick to postrib doctrine and stay away from that pesky bible.
The rapture is 100% groom coming for his bride.
Maybe stay away from the last supper dialogue as well, as it PERFECTLY MIRRORS the Hebrew Marriage betrothal COVENANT.
Postribs seem to loath and hate the groom/bride concept.
 
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If the groom and bride offend you, then stick to postrib doctrine and stay away from that pesky bible.
The rapture is 100% groom coming for his bride.
Maybe stay away from the last supper dialogue as well, as it PERFECTLY MIRRORS the Hebrew Marriage betrothal COVENANT.
Postribs seem to loath and hate the groom/bride concept.
Instead of all your usual evasive claims, how about answering the 1 question that no Pretrib can answer: where is your rapture of the church followed by a prolonged tribulation of any time, followed by third coming, anywhere in the Bible?
 
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If the groom and bride offend you, then stick to postrib doctrine and stay away from that pesky bible.
The rapture is 100% groom coming for his bride.
Maybe stay away from the last supper dialogue as well, as it PERFECTLY MIRRORS the Hebrew Marriage betrothal COVENANT.
Postribs seem to loath and hate the groom/bride concept.
The rapture is 100% groom coming for his bride.
The RESURRECTION and following Rapture is 100% Groom coming for His Bride
 

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Instead of all your usual evasive claims, how about answering the 1 question that no Pretrib can answer: where is your rapture of the church followed by a prolonged tribulation of any time, followed by third coming, anywhere in the Bible?
Mat 25 is a vivid picture of the pretrib rapture as well as acts 1 and mat 24 " before the flood one taken, one left"
Rev 14 has the Jewish main harvest DURING THE TRIB.
REV 19 IS YOUR postrib coming with zero rapture.

...and yes those verses are extremely evasive to your workbook.
...not really, just strangely omitted.