22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

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Don't act like a child the way you did in that post …

Not interested in what you carnal mind thinks when discussing Spiritual matters.

You can read what Scripture says…believe it or not…
When you flat out reject what Scripture Says…you establish your own spiritual immaturity.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God is Just… no excuses.
For 1,000 years human men will be born, live, generation after generation, have children, die, establish cities, nations, have kings, with the Lord King over all kings. The nations will be in harmony. And Satan will have Zero influence on them.

After the 1,000 years, Satan (and his demons) are allowed to roam the Nations, kings, men and once again influence the mortals. And all Nations Shall arm up to attack Christs Kingdom (which btw is all the Land Promised to Abraham and his faithful Descendants). And they are slaughtered By Christ the Lord Jesus’ two edged Sword… which is the Word of God, which is Truth, which Truth overcomes A Lie….which mortals again will have fallen for Satans Lie.

Thereafter a battle between holy and demonic angels ensues ad the demons are defeated and cast into the pits of Hell.

Thereafter…Judgement of All humans that have ever lived. And final Separation….Then a new heavens and earth.

Did you read my question? What you said here doesn't answer it in any way, shape or form. So, I will ask it again. What do you believe is the reason that we would meet Him in the air if we supposedly just come right back down to the earth afterwards? How does that make any sense?

Well aware, and have never said otherwise.
The prime objective of the last days…7 years is Punishments upon men who have Rejected Christ…Rejected God…taken Satan’s Mark…men who have Tormented and Caused Tribulations Against Believers….Saving Faithful ISRAEL and Fulfilling Gods Promise to Be With His Faithful (void of corruption) forever.

No, the punishment upon men who have rejected Christ and taken the mark is being cast into the lake of fire. This 7 years punishment thing is something you are making up.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you are going to MAKE an accusation….spell it out…what exactly are you claiming IS a Contradiction?

Where do I start? There are so many. I'll just start with one. You believe that Jesus doesn't reign in His kingdom until after He returns because of your understanding of the chronology of Revelation 19 and 20. Scripture, however, teaches that He has been reigning since His resurrection (see Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:19-23, Rev 1:5-6, Col 1:12-13, Acts 2:29-36, etc.).

 

[WPM]

Not interested in what you carnal mind thinks when discussing Spiritual matters.

You can read what Scripture says…believe it or not…
When you flat out reject what Scripture Says…you establish your own spiritual immaturity.

Grow up! You come across as so condescending. You cannot even provide corroboration for your private interpretations. Until you do, we can only view your pettiness and name calling as childish.

 

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That is talking about the victory Jesus wrought over Hades that enables captivity to be taken captive and raised to heaven to reign in Christ.

No it isn’t.
Jesus Overcame the World.
Satan being the First Liar and Murder…
Jesus Overcame Satans LIE, without a battle.
Jesus Overcame DEATH….without a battle.
Victory over Death is when there is a Battle between …. Holy angels and demonic angels and men and Christ….and Hell is swallowed up….uh in Victory…after Christs Millennial Reign…and the battles.

 

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Where do I start? There are so many. I'll just start with one. You believe that Jesus doesn't reign in His kingdom until after He returns because of your understanding of the chronology of Revelation 19 and 20. Scripture, however, teaches that He has been reigning since His resurrection (see Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:19-23, Rev 1:5-6, Col 1:12-13, Acts 2:29-36, etc.).

Jesus is IN Heaven IN His Kingdom.

Christ is IN His Church, which is IN men who are IN Christ.

Christ The Lord Jesus’ Kingdom (Promised) Land Boundaries is Established. King David’s EVERLASTING Throne is Established IN JERUSALEM.
No, The Lord Jesus is NOT YET Seated IN JERUSALEM IN His Promised Throne.

No, you can not go to JERUSALEM and See Jesus!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not interested in what you carnal mind thinks when discussing Spiritual matters.

You are the one who said this:

"Uh He who WAS Here and Human Eyes could See?…called the Son of Man….and WHO shall every Eye See When He Returns? Uh the Son of Man".

Uh...how can you not see how childish this was? Saying "Uh.." multiple times was childish for one thing. And acting like I didn't know that the answers to those questions are The Son of Man and I needed you to tell me that was childish as well. But, I guess you're too childish to even understand that.

You can read what Scripture says…believe it or not…

I believe it, of course.

When you flat out reject what Scripture Says…you establish your own spiritual immaturity.

I don't reject anything Scripture says. This is why I say you are childish. Accusing other believers of flat out rejecting Scripture? It doesn't get any more childish than that. You apparently think that having the same end times doctrine as you is a requirement for salvation because no one who flat out rejects what Scripture says can be a Christian.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus is IN Heaven IN His Kingdom.

Yes, and He is spiritually in our hearts as well.

Christ is IN His Church, which is IN men who are IN Christ.

Right, but His Church is part of His kingdom. Which is why scripture indicates that we are in His kingdom now.

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Christ The Lord Jesus’ Kingdom (Promised) Land Boundaries is Established. King David’s EVERLASTING Throne is Established IN JERUSALEM.
No, The Lord Jesus is NOT YET Seated IN JERUSALEM IN His Promised Throne.

No, you can not go to JERUSALEM and See Jesus!

You put such a ridiculous limitation on the future manifestation of the kingdom. It will cover the entire new earth, not just Jerusalem. He will deliver the kingdom He currently rules over to the Father when He returns (1 Cor 15:22-24) and then it will be manifested on the entire new earth. That is why Peter said we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth in accordance with the fulfillment of the promise of His second coming (2 Peter 3:13).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No it isn’t.
Jesus Overcame the World.
Satan being the First Liar and Murder…
Jesus Overcame Satans LIE, without a battle.
Jesus Overcame DEATH….without a battle.
Victory over Death is when there is a Battle between …. Holy angels and demonic angels and men and Christ….and Hell is swallowed up….uh in Victory…after Christs Millennial Reign…and the battles.

Wait a minute. I'm not sure if you're thinking this through carefully. Scripture teaches that death (and by implication, hell) will be swallowed up in victory at the last trumpet, which will sound when the dead in Christ are raised at Christ's return (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54). You say this will happen "after Christ's Millennial Reign". I agree! But, scripture says it will happen when He returns. This shows that He will return after His Millennial reign, just as Amillennialism teaches.

 

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Did you read my question? What you said here doesn't answer it in any way, shape or form. So, I will ask it again. What do you believe is the reason that we would meet Him in the air if we supposedly just come right back down to the earth afterwards?

Mankind was created out of his own habitat;
Which is common knowledge, Mankind’s Habitat IS: The Earth!
Mankind will always Exist in his own Habitat.

How does that make any sense?

Have you ever journeyed TO the Lower Heavens? Climbed TO a mountain top? Flown IN an airplane? IN the Clouds? And Did you Live There? Earth IS mans Habitat…
And a man risen UP to the Clouds Shall Return to his Habitat. And Some men Shall forever Remain ON the Face of the Earth…while other men Shall be Judged, Sentenced To Forever BE IN the Earth.

No, the punishment upon men who have rejected Christ and taken the mark is being cast into the lake of fire. This 7 years punishment thing is something you are making up.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Punishments are the results of Negative Judgements….
The 7 Seals opened one by one are Negative Judgements which result in Negative Punishments.
The 7 Trumps are signals of Warnings, of what Judgement Shall Occur. A man can Heed The Warning To not suffer the punishment, or Ignore the Warning and Suffer the Punishment.
The 7 Vials are Greater Punishments mixed with Hods Vengeance upon men who NOT ONLY rejected The Lord God, But ALSO persecuted other men Because the other men Believed IN and Worshiped the Lord God.

You ignore the lessor warnings and judgements and punishments, giving a man opportunity to change his ways….and jump right into “a final Sentencing”.

Before a man is “Sentenced”…He FACES his accuser …. he has his say…he FACES the Judge … and the Judge pronounces his Sentence…and the Sentencing Judgement Is carried out.

That IS Gods order and way. And the founding fathers of the US (called Statesmen / not politicians) Established the Same Standards and Principles For the Governance of this Nation.

Word, written, copied, published, distributed, accessible, warnings, lessor judgements, hearings, facing accuser, facing judge, judge pronounces judgement, sentence carried out.

 

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Yes, and He is spiritually in our hearts as well.


Right, but His Church is part of His kingdom. Which is why scripture indicates that we are in His kingdom now.

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

There is a difference between Spiritual and Natural.
Your Human Eyes are Natural. You do not See Spiritual.
Already covered this.
Knowing, Believing Spiritually is one thing.
Naturally Seeing is another thing.

Gods order and way …IS while a man is NOT able to SEE God…a man CAN open his ears, Hear Gods Fortelling of what He SHALL DO, and The man can SEE the Results OF What God fortold He Would Do has become manifested…ie. Come to pass.

You put such a ridiculous limitation on the future manifestation of the kingdom. It will cover the entire new earth, not just Jerusalem.

First of all I didn’t SAY Christs Kingdom was limited to JERUSALEM!
I expressly said CHRISTS Kingdom IS is Land Promised Abraham…and The Throne of That kingdom is In JERUSALEM.

Yes that IS the express limit of Christs Earthly Kingdom…..For 1,000 years….Christ Jesus IS the Express KING and Ruler of His Kingdom.

The rest of the worlds LANDS will be divided up as individual Nations, with their own mortal kings and mortal citizens.

It’s a system of Mortal men, In Mortal Nations, Being Ruled Under Mortal kings….WHOSE own laws are established in accordance with The Lord Gods Laws and Governance.

It’s a system of ALL mortal Nations being in one accordance….instead of LIKE NOW….whereby “mortal nations, kings, presidents, emperors or whatever title they wear…are all willy nilly, of different beliefs, different laws, different punishments.

Christ Rules as KING OF kings. Christ sets the precedence for all mortal nations kings.

(If you are paying attention…men are desperately trying to mimic a ONE World KING, and all world nations Be subject to their nations laws, governance all be the Same. Same Secular Laws, Same Religious Beliefs….and will result in Satan being their Head-god-King of kings.

Christs Kingdom on Earth is a specific LAND Border. Abrahams Promised Land.

Satans Governance Shall First become over the Whole World….for a SHORT while….

Thereafter and Forever The Lord God Almighty’s Kingdom, Kingship, Governance Shall be Over the Whole World….which does NOT occur….until After….
The tribulation period…
After Satans reign…
After Christs 1,000 year reign,
After all men have Faced the Judge,
After Sentencing,
After Punishment of Separating those with and without the Lord God,
After a new Earth is manifested,
After a new Heaven is manifested,
After the Barrier between Heaven and Earth is Removed….
And in THAT day AS it is IN Heaven So Also Shall it be ON Earth…
mortal men Shall cease to Exist and only spiritual men with their spiritual God shall occupy the earth.

Gods Order and Way!

 

[WPM]

There is a difference between Spiritual and Natural.
Your Human Eyes are Natural. You do not See Spiritual.
Already covered this.
Knowing, Believing Spiritually is one thing.
Naturally Seeing is another thing.

Gods order and way …IS while a man is NOT able to SEE God…a man CAN open his ears, Hear Gods Fortelling of what He SHALL DO, and The man can SEE the Results OF What God fortold He Would Do has become manifested…ie. Come to pass.




First of all I didn’t SAY Christs Kingdom was limited to JERUSALEM!
I expressly said CHRISTS Kingdom IS is Land Promised Abraham…and The Throne of That kingdom is In JERUSALEM.

Yes that IS the express limit of Christs Earthly Kingdom…..For 1,000 years….Christ Jesus IS the Express KING and Ruler of His Kingdom.

The rest of the worlds LANDS will be divided up as individual Nations, with their own mortal kings and mortal citizens.

It’s a system of Mortal men, In Mortal Nations, Being Ruled Under Mortal kings….WHOSE own laws are established in accordance with The Lord Gods Laws and Governance.

It’s a system of ALL mortal Nations being in one accordance….instead of LIKE NOW….whereby “mortal nations, kings, presidents, emperors or whatever title they wear…are all willy nilly, of different beliefs, different laws, different punishments.

Christ Rules as KING OF kings. Christ sets the precedence for all mortal nations kings.

(If you are paying attention…men are desperately trying to mimic a ONE World KING, and all world nations Be subject to their nations laws, governance all be the Same. Same Secular Laws, Same Religious Beliefs….and will result in Satan being their Head-god-King of kings.

Christs Kingdom on Earth is a specific LAND Border. Abrahams Promised Land.

Satans Governance Shall First become over the Whole World….for a SHORT while….

Thereafter and Forever The Lord God Almighty’s Kingdom, Kingship, Governance Shall be Over the Whole World….which does NOT occur….until After….
The tribulation period…
After Satans reign…
After Christs 1,000 year reign,
After all men have Faced the Judge,
After Sentencing,
After Punishment of Separating those with and without the Lord God,
After a new Earth is manifested,
After a new Heaven is manifested,
After the Barrier between Heaven and Earth is Removed….
And in THAT day AS it is IN Heaven So Also Shall it be ON Earth…
mortal men Shall cease to Exist and only spiritual men with their spiritual God shall occupy the earth.

Gods Order and Way!

This is all mere opinion. There is no biblical support for this. I suspect you know this as you make no attempt to support it with Scripture.

 

[WPM]

Mankind was created out of his own habitat;
Which is common knowledge, Mankind’s Habitat IS: The Earth!
Mankind will always Exist in his own Habitat.



Have you ever journeyed TO the Lower Heavens? Climbed TO a mountain top? Flown IN an airplane? IN the Clouds? And Did you Live There? Earth IS mans Habitat…
And a man risen UP to the Clouds Shall Return to his Habitat. And Some men Shall forever Remain ON the Face of the Earth…while other men Shall be Judged, Sentenced To Forever BE IN the Earth.



Punishments are the results of Negative Judgements….
The 7 Seals opened one by one are Negative Judgements which result in Negative Punishments.
The 7 Trumps are signals of Warnings, of what Judgement Shall Occur. A man can Heed The Warning To not suffer the punishment, or Ignore the Warning and Suffer the Punishment.
The 7 Vials are Greater Punishments mixed with Hods Vengeance upon men who NOT ONLY rejected The Lord God, But ALSO persecuted other men Because the other men Believed IN and Worshiped the Lord God.

You ignore the lessor warnings and judgements and punishments, giving a man opportunity to change his ways….and jump right into “a final Sentencing”.

Before a man is “Sentenced”…He FACES his accuser …. he has his say…he FACES the Judge … and the Judge pronounces his Sentence…and the Sentencing Judgement Is carried out.

That IS Gods order and way. And the founding fathers of the US (called Statesmen / not politicians) Established the Same Standards and Principles For the Governance of this Nation.

Word, written, copied, published, distributed, accessible, warnings, lessor judgements, hearings, facing accuser, facing judge, judge pronounces judgement, sentence carried out.

This is all mere opinion. There is no biblical support for this. I suspect you know this as you make no attempt to support it with Scripture.

 

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Yes, and He is spiritually in our hearts as well.


Right, but His Church is part of His kingdom. Which is why scripture indicates that we are in His kingdom now.

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.


You put such a ridiculous limitation on the future manifestation of the kingdom. It will cover the entire new earth, not just Jerusalem. He will deliver the kingdom He currently rules over to the Father when He returns (1 Cor 15:22-24) and then it will be manifested on the entire new earth. That is why Peter said we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth in accordance with the fulfillment of the promise of His second coming (2 Peter 3:13).

I don’t put any limit on Christs Kingdom!
God Established the ORDER and WAY of His Earthly Kingdom..

* Gods Kingdom First In Spiritual and Physical Heaven.
* Gods Kingdom Next in (Particular) Spiritual Mankind.
* Christs Kingdom Next (for 1,000 years) in (Particular) Mankind AND in (Particular) Land Mass ON Earth.
* Lord God Almighty’s Kingdom Lastly and Eternally With ONLY His Faithful Spiritual Holy angels and Holy Spiritual Mankind is the Entirety of the new Heavens and new Earth.

 

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This is all mere opinion. There is no biblical support for this. I suspect you know this as you make no attempt to support it with Scripture.

I know the Depth of my Study of Scriptures.
I know How I conclude Understanding.
I have a clue to your limited depth of study and understanding, revealed by your posts.

No, I can not read, study For you.
No, I will Not look up, read, Ask God to give you His Understanding.

You reject an Express Scriptural Teaching Concerning CHRISTS Millennial Reign ON Earth. That is Your Standing….Not Mine!
I have zero obligation to convince you, prove to you, present a defense to Trust what Scripture Says IS True.

You repeatedly calling my position a personal opinion / interpretation / whatever Is utterly irrelevant.

God, Jesus Christ, a holy Angel, John and myself are all in agreement Christ shall rule and reign 1,000 years ON earth, before the new heavens and new earth are manifested, and as it is IN heaven so shall it be ON Earth.

Seems you missed the understanding OF expressly WHY Jesus was revealed ON Earth, (as NOT ANY MAN) but expressly AS A JEW, AS a DIRECT LINE descendent OF Abraham, Issac, Jacob, King David and Joseph (who was of the House of King David)….
ALL OF THAT ^ Expressly MADE JESUS, A LEGAL HEIR to Abraham’s LAND and King Davids THRONE IN Jerusalem.

When Jesus said He came to FULFILL THE LAW….uh ya…THAT LAW, requires a FAITHFUL man OF the TRIBE of JUDAH, the LEGAL right to BE KING of ABRAHAM’S Promised LAND, and BE SEATED IN King David’s “EVERLASTING” throne (IN Jerusalem) God established, FOR DAIVID and his Heirs.

(And FYI, every man, JEW or GENTILE…. becomes a “son of Abraham”….(you know, Abraham appointed father of many nations….
Nations are made up of men….IF (the caveat)… IF that man “IS” IN Christ!! Abraham IS that mans earthly father and that man IS legally entitled to be a heir of Abrahams Promised LAND….which becomes Christ’s KINGDOM….and the Heirs of Abraham’s promised Land, citizens of Christ’s KINGDOM! )
Gods ORDER and WAY.

2 Sam 7:
[13] He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
[14] I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
[15] But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
[16] And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

 

[WPM]

I know the Depth of my Study of Scriptures.
I know How I conclude Understanding.
I have a clue to your limited depth of study and understanding, revealed by your posts.

No, I can not read, study For you.
No, I will Not look up, read, Ask God to give you His Understanding.

You reject an Express Scriptural Teaching Concerning CHRISTS Millennial Reign ON Earth. That is Your Standing….Not Mine!
I have zero obligation to convince you, prove to you, present a defense to Trust what Scripture Says IS True.

You repeatedly calling my position a personal opinion / interpretation / whatever Is utterly irrelevant.

God, Jesus Christ, a holy Angel, John and myself are all in agreement Christ shall rule and reign 1,000 years ON earth, before the new heavens and new earth are manifested, and as it is IN heaven so shall it be ON Earth.

Seems you missed the understanding OF expressly WHY Jesus was revealed ON Earth, (as NOT ANY MAN) but expressly AS A JEW, AS a DIRECT LINE descendent OF Abraham, Issac, Jacob, King David and Joseph (who was of the House of King David)….
ALL OF THAT ^ Expressly MADE JESUS, A LEGAL HEIR to Abraham’s LAND and King Davids THRONE IN Jerusalem.

When Jesus said He came to FULFILL THE LAW….uh ya…THAT LAW, requires a FAITHFUL man OF the TRIBE of JUDAH, the LEGAL right to BE KING of ABRAHAM’S Promised LAND, and BE SEATED IN King David’s “EVERLASTING” throne (IN Jerusalem) God established, FOR DAIVID and his Heirs.

(And FYI, every man, JEW or GENTILE…. becomes a “son of Abraham”….(you know, Abraham appointed father of many nations….
Nations are made up of men….IF (the caveat)… IF that man “IS” IN Christ!! Abraham IS that mans earthly father and that man IS legally entitled to be a heir of Abrahams Promised LAND….which becomes Christ’s KINGDOM….and the Heirs of Abraham’s promised Land, citizens of Christ’s KINGDOM! )
Gods ORDER and WAY.

2 Sam 7:
[13] He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
[14] I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
[15] But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
[16] And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

You are skipping round the issue at hand.

 

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Wait a minute. I'm not sure if you're thinking this through carefully. Scripture teaches that death (and by implication, hell) will be swallowed up in victory at the last trumpet, which will sound when the dead in Christ are raised at Christ's return (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54). You say this will happen "after Christ's Millennial Reign". I agree! But, scripture says it will happen when He returns. This shows that He will return after His Millennial reign, just as Amillennialism teaches.

If you study Scripture and PAY ATTENTION to the specific LANGUAGE….

Jesus raised men from the DEAD.
…EXAMPLE; Lazarus
Men appealed to God to raise mortals from the DEAD.
…EXAMPLE; Elijah (1 Kings Chapter 17)

* The Lord Jesus SHALL descend FROM Heaven TO the CLOUDS.
* The Archangel (servant of the Lord) shall sound A TRUMPET (signal).
* WHO will HEAR the TRUMPET, IS men ON EARTH (IN CHRIST), bodily dead in their graves, and bodily alive in their flesh.
* THEY are being SIGNALED that they are going to BE RISEN UP TO the CLOUDS, to MEET their Lord IN THE AIR.
* FROM that day forward, FOREVER they will be IN the Presence of their Lord.
* THEY remain IN the CLOUDS WITH their Lord, TO THE DAY, their Lord RETURNS TO THE EARTH, (and HIS PEOPLE WITH HIM.) His People RISEN UP in their Glorified Bodys, THEIR saved soul back in their glorified bodys, THEIR born again spirit back in their glorified body’s (THEY CALLED: WHOLE, CALLED: Christ’s Church, CALLED: saints)……and WITH Jesus WHEN He returns and CLAIMS His Kingdom, and THRONE. He being KING of kings. Mortals and saints occupying the Earth for 1,000 years.

The Lord Jesus RAISES UP those “IN” Christ.
1 Thes 4: 1-17

AFTER the millennial reign God RAISES UP those “IN” Jesus. (Aka called the First Resurrection)
1 Thes 4: 14

I presume you do not KNOW the difference between those “IN” Christ and those “IN” Jesus.

I presume you do not KNOW the FIRST resurrection, applies to any and all (ie MASS) IN BELIEF, that were not raised up beforehand.

Gods ORDER and WAY…is paramount in KNOWING what applies to WHAT individual and WHY.

 

[WPM]

I presume you do not KNOW the difference between those “IN” Christ and those “IN” Jesus.

I presume you do not KNOW the FIRST resurrection, applies to any and all (ie MASS) IN BELIEF, that were not raised up beforehand.

You make a lot of assumptions. What is the difference?

 

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You are skipping round the issues.

I am ignoring your CARNAL NONSENSE, to which you WANT a CARNAL UNDERSTANDING regarding SPIRITUAL things…. Irrelevant, fruitless and a fail.

The ISSUE IS: you do not believe Scripture regarding a 1,000 year reign.

The ISSUE IS: you demand others Scriptures to verify what REV 20 repeatedly says in multiple verses.

My position is to IGNORE your irrelevant demands.
My position is JESUS IS THE TRUTH….
believe Him or NOT….What you DO, affects me NONE.
My position is God, Jesus Christ, A holy Angel, John and Myself ALL BELIEVE the multiple verses IN Rev 20 that speaks expressly to a 1,000 year reign.

Irrelevant to me if YOU believe Scripture OR NOT….

 

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You make a lot of assumptions. What is the difference?

Pretty PLAIN…
Christ Jesus reigning for 1,000 years is PLAINLY SAID. That is not an assumption.
That is a Scriptural FACT. Period.