22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truther]

I would not call;

1. [4] … they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

An opinion!

Agreed. I am all in regarding the 1000 year reign of Christ in the future.

 

[WPM]

Pretty PLAIN…
Christ Jesus reigning for 1,000 years is PLAINLY SAID. That is not an assumption.
That is a Scriptural FACT. Period.

Please address what you were talking about. What is the difference between those “IN” Christ and those “IN” Jesus?

 

[Taken]

Please address what you were talking about. What is the difference between those “IN” Christ and those “IN” Jesus?

In Christ scripture reveals they are called up to the Lord, by the Lord. (1 Thes 4:16-17)

In Jesus scripture reveals they Raised up by God. (1 Thes 4:14)

Further scriptures reveal the difference between IN Christ and IN Jesus.

 

[WPM]

In Christ scripture reveals they are called up to the Lord, by the Lord. (1 Thes 4:16-17)

In Jesus scripture reveals they Raised up by God. (1 Thes 4:14)

Further scriptures reveal the difference between IN Christ and IN Jesus.

You are avoiding the question! What is the difference between those “IN” Christ and those “IN” Jesus?

 

[covenantee]

Further scriptures reveal the difference between IN Christ and IN Jesus.

What Scriptures are those?

So in dispenese/premilese, Christ is not Jesus?

What recognized Bible exegete past or present has claimed that "in Christ" is different from "in Jesus"?

Source, date, and verbatim quote, please.

 

[WPM]

What Scriptures are those?

So in dispenese/premilese, Christ is not Jesus?

What recognized Bible exegete past or present has claimed that "in Christ" is different from "in Jesus"?

Source, date, and verbatim quote, please.

Exactly. Notice how he can never support his own claims.

 

[Hobie]

Since abandoning Premillennialism I have engaged in many debates/discussions on the matter of the second coming, end-times and the here-after. These are some of the major weaknesses I find in the Premillennialism doctrine, and are strong reasons why I believe the dogma should be rejected.

I want to list some of the issues that forced me to eventually abandon Premillennialism and embrace Amillennialism. My main reason for abandoning Premil was the severe lack of corroboration. I had a major issue with that! What is more: I had multiple problem-texts as a Premil that showed the coming of Christ to be climactic and all-consummating. I have presented a lot of these questions in discussions over the years (since 2000) on boards like this and have failed to get any satisfactory corroboration for these questions. What I normally get is either blatant avoidance of the issues or "Revelation 20 says." This is so frustrating because Revelation 20 does not corroborate Revelation 20. Amils on the other hand tend to use the biblical premise "what saith the Scripture." The only conclusion I could arrive at is that the Premil interpretation of Revelation 20 is in error, it conflicts with numerous Scripture, and enjoys NO other serious scriptural support.

(1) Premil is totally preoccupied with, and dependent upon, one chapter in the Bible – Revelation 20. It interprets the rest of Scripture in the light of its opinion of one lone highly-debated chapter located in the most figurative and obscure book in the Bible. All end-time Scripture is viewed through the lens of Revelation 20. This is not a very wise way to establish any truth or doctrine. Take this passage out of the equation and Premillennialism has nothing in the inspired pages to support their main tenets. Amils have a problem with, and very much disagree with this form of hermeneutics and exegesis of many Scriptures.

(2) Premil hangs its doctrine on a very precarious frayed thread: that of Revelation 20 following Revelation 19 chronologically in time. To hold this, it has to dismiss the different recaps (or different camera views pertaining to the intra-Advent period) that exist throughout the book of Revelation, divorce it from repeated Scripture on this matter and also explain away the clear and explicit climactic detail that pertains to Revelation 19. Premil is dependent upon the dubious premise that Revelation 20 is chronological to Revelation 19. That is it! Disprove that and Premil falls apart.

(3) The detail Premil attributes to Revelation 20 compared to what the actual text explicitly says is day and night. Revelation 20 does not remotely say what Premil attribute to it. Many extravagant characteristics, events and ideas are inserted into Revelation 20 that do not exist in the said chapter.

For example:

· For years, it has been the Premil mantra that Jesus will be ruling in majesty and glory with a rod of iron for 1000 years on planet earth after the second coming. But this can be found nowhere in Revelation 20 or any other passage in Scripture?
· Premillennialists argue that salvation will continue on after the second coming. But where does it say that? The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. Scripture makes clear: now is the day of salvation. It also shows the completion of the great commission ushers in the end of the world (Matthew 28:19-20). Scriptures tells us that “the longsuffering of our Lord” that marks the period before Jesus comes as a thief in the night “is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). There is no more salvation after that.
· They argue that the old covenant arrangement will be fully restarted in a future millennium, even though Revelation 20 makes no mention of such teaching.
· Premillennialists speak about the restoration of an elevated position for ethnic Israel on their future millennial earth. But a careful study of Revelation 20 teaches no such thing.
· They insist that glorified saints and mortal sinners will interact in a future millennium, even though Revelation 20 makes no mention of such a belief.
· They present their future millennium to be perfect pristine paradise of peace and harmony when in fact it ends up the biggest religious bust in history, as billions of wicked as the sand of the sea overrun the Premil millennium. Their age is just 'more of the same'. There is more sin and sinners, more death and disease, more war and terror, more of the devil and his demons. The idyllic setting of the lamb enjoying sweet communion with the wolf, the bullock eating straw with the lion, the little kid-goat lying peaceably beside the leopard, the cow and the bear grazing happily together is quickly broken as the slaughter truck roar up from the temple. The Zadok priests quickly jump out and drag the unsuspecting animals aboard who had been lulled into a false-sense of security by Christ’s rod of iron rule. As the truck speeds off the millennial peace and harmony is broken forever by the bloody intent of the Zadok priests. When they arrive in Jerusalem they pointlessly slit the throats of the lambs, goats and bullocks because they are somehow needed as sin offerings, even though Jesus had made the final sacrifice for sin thousands of years previous.

(4) Premillennialists interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts numerous explicit climactic Scriptures. Premillennialists have to insert “a thousand years” in passage after passage where it does not exist. This is called adding unto Scripture, something forbidden in the Word of God (Deuteronomy 12:32 and Revelation 22:18).

(5) Premil is always explaining away the clear and explicit New Testament Scripture (the fuller revelation) by the shadow, type and vaguer Old Testament. It uses indistinct or misunderstood Old Testament Scripture to negate and reject clear and explicit New Testament Scripture that teaches otherwise. We Christians have the benefit of the New Testament to explain what is difficult or obscure in the Old Testament. Christ has superseded the old covenant arrangement and now fulfils the new covenant arrangement as predicted. The New Testament is the greater revelation. The interpretation placed on the Old Testament by Christ and the New Testament writers override all other opinions and interpretations of man. As Augustine wrote: “The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed, the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed.”

(6) Many testify that they are Premillennial because they take the Word of God literal, yet, when you put their theology to the test an opposite picture unfolds. Premillennialism spiritualizes the literal passages and literalizes the spiritual passages. Their hyper-literalistic approach to highly-figurative Revelation is a case-in-point. Their own hermeneutics actually forbids their beliefs. As Kim Riddlebarger says: “Their own hermeneutics will not bear the weight that is assigned to it … they cannot make good on their own stated hermeneutics”

Christ will take the saved saints to heaven, and they will be there for the thousand years, not wandering aimlessly with the wicked somewhere on earth. Then after going over the books in heaven and we seeing that God is just in his judgement, God will return and destroy the wicked after the thousand years, and bring the New Jerusalem with the saints. Its that straightforward...

 

[WPM]

Christ will take the saved saints to heaven, and they will be there for the thousand years, not wandering aimlessly with the wicked somewhere on earth. Then after going over the books in heaven and we seeing that God is just in his judgement, God will return and destroy the wicked after the thousand years, and bring the New Jerusalem with the saints. Its that straightforward...

1. But multiple Scripture says He destroys the wicked when He comes.
2. What qualifies the wicked to inherit your future earth?
3. Do they marry?
4. Do they die?
5. Who then are the camp of the saints on earth?

 

[WPM]

Christ will take the saved saints to heaven, and they will be there for the thousand years, not wandering aimlessly with the wicked somewhere on earth. Then after going over the books in heaven and we seeing that God is just in his judgement, God will return and destroy the wicked after the thousand years, and bring the New Jerusalem with the saints. Its that straightforward...

Please give me Scripture that says: "Christ will take the saved saints to heaven, and they will be there for the thousand years, not wandering aimlessly with the wicked somewhere on earth"?

 

[Taken]

You are avoiding the question! What is the difference between those “IN” Christ and those “IN” Jesus?

First, I show you IN scripture…
There IS a difference.
IN Jesus…
IN Christ…

Understanding IS regarding WHAT an individual Freely BELIEVES…Freely DOES.

BELIEVE…Jesus IS a man?
…Jesus was CALLED a man.

BELIEVE….Jesus IS a HUMAN man?
….Jesus was NEVER CALLED a HUMAN man.

BELIEVE…HUMAN men are out of the Earth?
BELIEVE…JESUS was out of God?

BELIEVE…IN a mans CARNAL MIND IS a mans TRUTH?
BELIEVE…IN a mans HEART IS a mans TRUTH?

Scripture teaches IT IS A MANS HEART, (is where a mans TRUTH IS, called a human mans NATURAL SPIRIT.)

A man “IN” Jesus is a man WHO:
* has HEARD the WORD OF GOD,
and
* BELIEVES (in his heart) the WORD OF GOD.

BELIEVE…what word specifically?
AND
CONFESS…what specifically?

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart THAT God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
^^^ IN JESUS…

IF….THEN….What?
Thou SHALL BE Saved.

Saved WHEN?

Salvation IS ALWAYs “GIVEN” AFTER” a bodily DEATH.

IN Jesus is those WHO BELIEVE, IN their Heart, HAVE CONFESSED THEIR BELIEF, and AFTER THEIR BODILY DEATH…SHALL BE SAVED.

^^ (That has occurred for centuries, and shall continue THROUGH the tribulation SEALS and a portion of the tribulation TRUMPS).

IN CHRIST….IS a man who HAS HEARD, DOES BELIEVE (in his Heart) “IN” Jesus and “IN” Jesus “IS” the Christ the Son of the Living God

Matt 16:
[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Believe IN your heart…
Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Confess THAT and GIVE YOUR BODY UNTO DEATH, CRUCIFIED WITH JESUS….
AND YOU ARE SAVED.

1 Cor 6:
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

** Believe and confess your heartful belief…
Jesus bodily died, and God Raised Him up…
YOU ARE “IN” JESUS….and SHALL BE SAVED, WHEN YOUR BODY PHYSICALLY DIES.
^^^^ THAT has a WARNING, a CAVEAT…
THAT man CAN FALL AWAY. THAT man CAN fall for demonic influence, Powerful wicked Governing men’s influence, threats, fear or force….and CHANGE their BELIEF….they shall be called having Fallen Away….
THEY are called Having been “enlightened” by the Word of God, knowing, believing the Word of God….Enjoying the Blessings of God for Believing and Confessing their Belief IN the word of God……..and THEN REJECT and BELIEVE men instead…..
THEIR “HOPE” to receive SALVATION AFTER their Bodily Death…..Becomes MOOT….
(Because they REJECTED the ONLY way to BECOME SAVED).


** Believe and confess your Heartful belief…
Jesus bodily died, God Raised Him up, Jesus IS the Son of the Living God, become bodily Crucified WITH Christ Jesus….YOU ARE “IN” CHRIST….and ARE SAVED THEN.
The POWER (spirit) OF GOD ENTERS THAT MAN, SAVES THAT MAN THEN…..
AND BY, WITH, THROUGH GODS POWER “IN” THAT MAN…..THAT MAN CAN “NEVER” Fall Away.

ALL shall hear, many shall believe, many shall fall away….FEW shall BE SAVED.

IN Jesus, is a mans HOPE to remain IN Jesus, BY HIS OWN WILLPOWER, to the day of his physical death….SO he WILL BE SAVED.

IN Christ, is a man giving his Heartful Confession AND his BODY unto death, crucified WITH JESUS, and IS a mans ASSURANCE to remain IN Christ Jesus, BY GODS POWER IN the man…THAT that man IS SAVED THEN.

Men IN Christ….the Lord Raises UP to Him in the clouds, and THEY Return to Earth WITH
The Son of Man, who is the Lord, who Returns to Earth with Power, who is Christ….
And for 1,000 years….WITH King Christ Jesus, THEY are WITH King Christ Jesus, IN HIS KINGDOM (Abraham’s promised land) AS King Jesus sits in His TRHONE (IN Jerusalem, the SAME “Everlasting” TRHONE God ESTABLISHED and GAVE to DAVID, and his Faithful Descendants…..to which JESUS IS a legal Heir, as Joseph, Jesus’ earthly father was OF THE HOUSE OF DAVID…(meaning a direct line descendant).
ALSO ON Earth, are MORTAL believing men, establishing their mortal nations, mortal kings, mortal citizens…..all IN harmony believing and the mortal kings ruling their moral nations According to the Word of God.
NOT ON EARTH…is Satan, his fallen angels followers….SO NO mortals ON EARTH ARE influenced, tricked, deceived BY the anti-God underhandedness of Satan.

 

[WPM]

First, I show you IN scripture…
There IS a difference.
IN Jesus…
IN Christ…

Understanding IS regarding WHAT an individual Freely BELIEVES…Freely DOES.

BELIEVE…Jesus IS a man?
…Jesus was CALLED a man.

BELIEVE….Jesus IS a HUMAN man?
….Jesus was NEVER CALLED a HUMAN man.

BELIEVE…HUMAN men are out of the Earth?
BELIEVE…JESUS was out of God?

BELIEVE…IN a mans CARNAL MIND IS a mans TRUTH?
BELIEVE…IN a mans HEART IS a mans TRUTH?

Scripture teaches IT IS A MANS HEART, (is where a mans TRUTH IS, called a human mans NATURAL SPIRIT.)

A man “IN” Jesus is a man WHO:
* has HEARD the WORD OF GOD,
and
* BELIEVES (in his heart) the WORD OF GOD.

BELIEVE…what word specifically?
AND
CONFESS…what specifically?

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart THAT God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
^^^ IN JESUS…

IF….THEN….What?
Thou SHALL BE Saved.

Saved WHEN?

Salvation IS ALWAYs “GIVEN” AFTER” a bodily DEATH.

IN Jesus is those WHO BELIEVE, IN their Heart, HAVE CONFESSED THEIR BELIEF, and AFTER THEIR BODILY DEATH…SHALL BE SAVED.

^^ (That has occurred for centuries, and shall continue THROUGH the tribulation SEALS and a portion of the tribulation TRUMPS).

IN CHRIST….IS a man who HAS HEARD, DOES BELIEVE (in his Heart) “IN” Jesus and “IN” Jesus “IS” the Christ the Son of the Living God

Matt 16:
[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Believe IN your heart…
Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Confess THAT and GIVE YOUR BODY UNTO DEATH, CRUCIFIED WITH JESUS….
AND YOU ARE SAVED.

1 Cor 6:
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

** Believe and confess your heartful belief…
Jesus bodily died, and God Raised Him up…
YOU ARE “IN” JESUS….and SHALL BE SAVED, WHEN YOUR BODY PHYSICALLY DIES.
^^^^ THAT has a WARNING, a CAVEAT…
THAT man CAN FALL AWAY. THAT man CAN fall for demonic influence, Powerful wicked Governing men’s influence, threats, fear or force….and CHANGE their BELIEF….they shall be called having Fallen Away….
THEY are called Having been “enlightened” by the Word of God, knowing, believing the Word of God….Enjoying the Blessings of God for Believing and Confessing their Belief IN the word of God……..and THEN REJECT and BELIEVE men instead…..
THEIR “HOPE” to receive SALVATION AFTER their Bodily Death…..Becomes MOOT….
(Because they REJECTED the ONLY way to BECOME SAVED).


** Believe and confess your Heartful belief…
Jesus bodily died, God Raised Him up, Jesus IS the Son of the Living God, become bodily Crucified WITH Christ Jesus….YOU ARE “IN” CHRIST….and ARE SAVED THEN.
The POWER (spirit) OF GOD ENTERS THAT MAN, SAVES THAT MAN THEN…..
AND BY, WITH, THROUGH GODS POWER “IN” THAT MAN…..THAT MAN CAN “NEVER” Fall Away.

ALL shall hear, many shall believe, many shall fall away….FEW shall BE SAVED.

IN Jesus, is a mans HOPE to remain IN Jesus, BY HIS OWN WILLPOWER, to the day of his physical death….SO he WILL BE SAVED.

IN Christ, is a man giving his Heartful Confession AND his BODY unto death, crucified WITH JESUS, and IS a mans ASSURANCE to remain IN Christ Jesus, BY GODS POWER IN the man…THAT that man IS SAVED THEN.

Men IN Christ….the Lord Raises UP to Him in the clouds, and THEY Return to Earth WITH
The Son of Man, who is the Lord, who Returns to Earth with Power, who is Christ….
And for 1,000 years….WITH King Christ Jesus, THEY are WITH King Christ Jesus, IN HIS KINGDOM (Abraham’s promised land) AS King Jesus sits in His TRHONE (IN Jerusalem, the SAME “Everlasting” TRHONE God ESTABLISHED and GAVE to DAVID, and his Faithful Descendants…..to which JESUS IS a legal Heir, as Joseph, Jesus’ earthly father was OF THE HOUSE OF DAVID…(meaning a direct line descendant).
ALSO ON Earth, are MORTAL believing men, establishing their mortal nations, mortal kings, mortal citizens…..all IN harmony believing and the mortal kings ruling their moral nations According to the Word of God.
NOT ON EARTH…is Satan, his fallen angels followers….SO NO mortals ON EARTH ARE influenced, tricked, deceived BY the anti-God underhandedness of Satan.

Talk about man-made theology!!!! This is absolute gibberish. No wonder you were slow to answer your absurd claim. I hope you understand what you are saying because it is a s clear as mud.

 

[Taken]

What Scriptures are those?

Post 6073

So in dispenese/premilese, Christ is not Jesus?

The knowledge was Revealed Jesus Is the Christ….

WHO IS CHRIST?
The Power of God.
The Wisdom of God.
The Seed of God.
The Spirit of God.

DO YOU, a mortal man PHYSICALLY SEE…the power, wisdom, seed, Spirit of God?

No.
You can KNOW….but not physically SEE.
What you CAN SEE…is the RESULTS, EFFECTS of the power, wisdom, seed, Spirit of God.

What recognized Bible exegete past or present has claimed that "in Christ" is different from "in Jesus"?

Source, date, and verbatim quote, please.

It’s is reading, studying, word for word, order and way… Post 6073 is a brief.

 

[Taken]

This is absolute gibberish. No wonder you refused to answer your absurd claim. I hope you understand what you are saying because it is a s clear as mud.

LOL….I gave you a brief step by step in the most elementary terms order and way…..without ANY indication YOU read the Chapters, read the verses, spent an ounce of YOUR TIME, studying, comparing, AND ASKING GOD for His Understanding….

TYPICAL… of the lazy….(actually a very common behavior of an Atheist and Ignorant).

“Gimmie the Understanding BEFORE I will consider learning the knowledge”.

I have no need to defend Scripture or my Beliefs. I am not affected by your lack of knowledge, belief or understanding.
I KNOW what I have read, reread, cross referenced, reread, studied, charted out Step by Step, word by word, and WHO exactly I ASKED for Understanding.

It is obvious, YOU are searching for CARNAL understanding regarding SPIRITUAL Truths.

Matt 13:

[13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
[14] And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
[15] For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[rwb]

Please give me Scripture that says: "Christ will take the saved saints to heaven, and they will be there for the thousand years, not wandering aimlessly with the wicked somewhere on earth"?

I agree! Making these bizarre claims seems to be coming more and more frequent. It seems some believe you can say anything without verification from Scripture, and just because you say it, it's true! Has our Bible forum been invaded by the enemies of the Word? It sure seems to be!

 

[WPM]

LOL….I gave you a brief step by step in the most elementary terms order and way…..without ANY indication YOU read the Chapters, read the verses, spent an ounce of YOUR TIME, studying, comparing, AND ASKING GOD for His Understanding….

TYPICAL… of the lazy….(actually a very common behavior of an Atheist and Ignorant).

“Gimmie the Understanding BEFORE I will consider learning the knowledge”.

I have no need to defend Scripture or my Beliefs. I am not affected by your lack of knowledge, belief or understanding.
I KNOW what I have read, reread, cross referenced, reread, studied, charted out Step by Step, word by word, and WHO exactly I ASKED for Understanding.

It is obvious, YOU are searching for CARNAL understanding regarding SPIRITUAL Truths.

Matt 13:

[13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
[14] And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
[15] For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

This is a typical Premil response: anyone who disagrees with your false teaching has a carnal understanding.
Yea, right! You are twisting Scripture to support your false beliefs, I suspect you know that.

 

[Taken]

Exactly. Notice how he can never support his own claims.

Ever noticed you are the one who is supposed to hear and search the Scriptures yourself…which is call Nobel.

Ever notice I showed you IN Scripture, IN Jesus and IN Christ and you bothered not to read, study, compare, to see the difference?

 

[covenantee]

The knowledge was Revealed Jesus Is the Christ….

WHO IS CHRIST?
The Power of God.
The Wisdom of God.
The Seed of God.
The Spirit of God.

DO YOU, a mortal man PHYSICALLY SEE…the power, wisdom, seed, Spirit of God?

No.
You can KNOW….but not physically SEE.
What you CAN SEE…is the RESULTS, EFFECTS of the power, wisdom, seed, Spirit of God.

According to grammar, "in" = "in".
According to grammar and Scripture, "Jesus" = "Christ" and "Christ" = "Jesus". Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:24; et al.
Ergo, "in Christ" = "in Jesus".

It’s is reading, studying, word for word, order and way… Post 6073 is a brief.

Sorry, but in more than 2,000 years of NT orthodox Christianity, you're not a recognized Bible exegete.

 

[Taken]

I agree! Making these bizarre claims seems to be coming more and more frequent. It seems some believe you can say anything without verification from Scripture, and just because you say it, it's true! Has our Bible forum been invaded by the enemies of the Word? It sure seems to be!

When the WORD SAYS IN Jesus, IN Christ, Christ reigns for 1,000 years, 144,000 are with a Lamb and YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT……Why would you remotely believe YOU would SPIRITUALLY UNDERSTAND WHY those WORDS ARE expressly Stated?

YOU Don’t….and your only recourse IS to badmouth the one who DOES BELIEVE Gods Stated Word.

ANY CLUE what JUDGEMENTS Scripture teaches APPLIES TO a man who “persecutes” a man who trusts and believes Gods Word…..?

I can disagree with you….BUT I DO NOT badmouth you FOR YOUR BELIEFS….
And YOU can disagree with me…..AND YOUR course of action is to BADMOUTH, whom you disagree with….

 

[Taken]

According to grammar, "in" = "in".
According to grammar and Scripture, "Jesus" = "Christ" and "Christ" = "Jesus". Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:14; et al.

Sorry, but in more than 2,000 years of NT orthodox Christianity, you're not a recognized Bible exegete.

No need to apologize for your opinion of what you think other men have decided is acceptable.

Nothing you think, believe or do affects my relationship with the Lord God.

A FEW Men have been huddling together in private councils for centuries Deciding, then Dictating with their OWN WORDS, what THEY have Determined IS Acceptable FOR THEIR flock, to HEAR, to READ, to BELIEVE.

Catechism, Book of Mormon, Letters of someone who claims to have known someone, Philosophers Writings that Gods word means this or that….blah, blah, blah….

I am content, Gods Word Spoken is recorded IN Scripture and the Lord God Himself gives those WITH HIM and IN CHRIST, “HIS” understanding of “HIS” Word, TO those who seek and “ASK HIM”!

You appear to favor the SOURCE of what MEN have Decided…..I don’t.

 

[covenantee]

No need to apologize for your opinion of what you think other men have decided is acceptable.

Nothing you think, believe or do affects my relationship with the Lord God.

A FEW Men have been huddling together in private councils for centuries Deciding, then Dictating with their OWN WORDS, what THEY have Determined IS Acceptable FOR THEIR flock, to HEAR, to READ, to BELIEVE.

Catechism, Book of Mormon, Letters of someone who claims to have known someone, Philosophers Writings that Gods word means this or that….blah, blah, blah….

I am content, Gods Word Spoken is recorded IN Scripture and the Lord God Himself gives those WITH HIM and IN CHRIST, “HIS” understanding of “HIS” Word, TO those who seek and “ASK HIM”!

You appear to favor the SOURCE of what MEN have Decided…..I don’t.

You're still not a recognized Bible exegete.