22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

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The ark is a picture of Christ when He comes to rescue all His elect. None miss it! The destruction that was poured out upon all the wicked tallies with the destruction of all those left behind when Jesus comes. It is immediate and total. None escape.

Christ does not come to Earth to rescue men.

To understand Scripture pay attention WHO is identified DOING What….
You can Believe/Know…the Lord IS:
Jesus, the Son of Man, Son of God, Messiah, Christ, Lamb, Spirit, God, on and on….and to Understand, Keep in Context which Name/Title is being spoken IN Scripture.

God IS omnipresent and has Many Names and Titles applicable to precise things and places He is. When you change that you corrupt your understanding.

Same with you. You have many names and titles and those names and titles are applicable at particular times, for particular places and called to you by particular people.

 

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It is hard to read your posts. The grammar is rough. No, your private opinion is what I reject. The Scripture reinforce Amil. You have zero corroboration for the Premil.

Post 6317 is also Scripturally based regarding Another Of Gods Tribulations AnD Where the Faithful are during the days God is exacting His Wrath upon the Earth….

Where will you be?

 

[WPM]

Christ does not come to Earth to rescue men.

To understand Scripture pay attention WHO is identified DOING What….
You can Believe/Know…the Lord IS:
Jesus, the Son of Man, Son of God, Messiah, Christ, Lamb, Spirit, God, on and on….and to Understand, Keep in Context which Name/Title is being spoken IN Scripture.

God IS omnipresent and has Many Names and Titles applicable to precise things and places He is. When you change that you corrupt your understanding.

Same with you. You have many names and titles and those names and titles are applicable at particular times, for particular places and called to you by particular people.

He is coming to rescue His elect to the sky and torch this corrupt world with all the wicked on it. Why would He leave the righteouss here? That is ridiculous. That shows how your theology has confused your understanding of His return. It is the end! We are now into eternity.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You can dismiss any Scriptural Knowledge you desire. It has zero effect on me.

I don't dismiss any scripture and would never desire to.

As in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of…..WHO?

The Son of Man. Why do you ask?

Uh He who WAS Here and Human Eyes could See?…called the Son of Man….and WHO shall every Eye See When He Returns? Uh the Son of Man

Did I say otherwise? No. So, what is the reasoning for your childishness?

…You, from you place ON the Earth can then LOOK UP….He will be Sitting on a White CLOUD….and those (like me and my brethren IN Christ) shall be IN the Clouds WITH Him, which you Will Not See.

Excuse me? You are telling me that I will not see Him when He comes? What makes you think that? I am a Christian. Is there some other requirement for being gathered to Him when He comes than being a Christian who belongs to Him?

God sent down from Heaven Tribulations to destroy the Earth and its inhabitants, Because of Gods Anger of how corrupt the Earth and its inhabitants had become.
And more Scriptural knowledge reveals Gods Anger for the SAME reason Shall Again occur, and Again God shall send down His Tribulations and Wrath upon this World.

Yes, and, according to Jesus, that will occur when He comes and will be of the same scope as when God destroyed the earth in the past with Noah's flood. According to Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-12, He will do it with fire this time.

Scripture also reveals there is nothing new under the sun, what was before shall be Again.

So what was IN Noah’s Day? Did Faithful Noah Remain ON the face of the Earth and suffer drowning in the flood?
Oh , oh, oh….no Noah was lifted up …24 feet + above the mountain tops. Ever had a look above the highest mountain tops? Not a secret…it’s IN the CLOUDS!

Tell me something I don't know. We all know this. Stop wasting time talking about things that everyone here already knows.

Not a secret the Lord shall all UP to Him, IN the CLOUDS CHRISTS Church, WHO shall forever more Be WITH the Lord…..you know, like when Christ The King of kings and Lord of lord descends to earth to rule mortal nations of kings and lords for 1,000 years….while Satan and his demons are in hell fuming and you?

This is where you go astray. It says we will meet Him in the air. If He's coming all the way down to the earth then why wouldn't He just meet us here? The reason that we are meeting Him in the air is because He will be sending fire down upon the earth after we meet Him (2 Peter 3:10-12). Otherwise, meeting Him in the air would be pointless.

Where will you be?

I will be in the air with Jesus and the rest of His followers when He comes. And you will be there, too, despite your false end times doctrine. Making someone's end times beliefs a determining factor of whether they will be caught up to meet Jesus or not is incredibly ridiculous.

 

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Not so. You just confirmed my Op. This is why so many are rejecting Premil.

I wouldn’t know what so many do.

(1) Premil is totally preoccupied with, and dependent upon, one chapter in the Bible – Revelation 20.

LOL. No I am not preoccupied with one chapter of the Bible.
I do hold a high interest in every part of the Bible that applies to ME!
I am a bit in amusement at how much you are occupied with Scripture that does not apply to you.

Just sayin…

 

[WPM]

I wouldn’t know what so many do.



LOL. No I am not preoccupied with one chapter of the Bible.
I do hold a high interest in every part of the Bible that applies to ME!
I am a bit in amusement at how much you are occupied with Scripture that does not apply to you.

Just sayin…

So, where is your biblical support for your faulty opinion of Rev 20?

 

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He is coming to rescue His elect to the sky and torch this corrupt world with all the wicked on it. Why would He leave the righteouss here? That is ridiculous. That shows how your theology has confused your understanding of His return. It is the end! We are now into eternity.

I am well aware of the Lord calling up the righteous to the clouds and have never said otherwise…
Funny you think that presents a lack of understanding.

I am also aware … nothing new…I will return to this Earth WITH the Christ IN His Kingdom, When He is Seated IN His Throne for 1,000 years.

Where will you be?

 

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So, where is your biblical support for your faulty opinion of Rev 20?

Where is your Scriptural Support for your faulty opinion of no 1,000 year reign?

 

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, what is the reasoning for your childishness?

LOL… about half a dozen posts between us and you turn to name calling.

Scripture speaks expressly of Christs 1,000 year reign. I believe Scripture and you don’t.
Not a mystery where we each stand.

 

[WPM]

I am well aware of the Lord calling up the righteous to the clouds and have never said otherwise…
Funny you think that presents a lack of understanding.

I am also aware … nothing new…I will return to this Earth WITH the Christ IN His Kingdom, When He is Seated IN His Throne for 1,000 years.

Where will you be?

You have one text which you impose private interpretation upon and you admit by your avoidance that you have no corroboration for.

 

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You have one text which you impose private interpretation upon and you admit by your avoidance that you have no corroboration for.

Look, I am content with Gods Word given to Jesus Christ given to His Angel, given to John, given to me….if that is not satisfactory to you…that would be Your dilemma, Not mine.

If you REQUIRE multiple Chapters and multiple Verses within multiple Chapters to Believe the Word of God….that would be Your problem, Not Mine.

You can either Trust the Word of God…or Not. It seems you fall within the NOT Trusting. And again that has zero effect on me.

 

[Truther]

It is disingenuous to begin an argument against an others belief, when you are the one erroneously establishing an others belief.

Yes, the best argument to make is our own opinion, then let the bashers try to bash it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I am well aware of the Lord calling up the righteous to the clouds and have never said otherwise…
Funny you think that presents a lack of understanding.

I am also aware … nothing new…I will return to this Earth WITH the Christ IN His Kingdom, When He is Seated IN His Throne for 1,000 years.

What do you believe is the reason that we would meet Him in the air if we supposedly just come right back down to the earth afterwards? How does that make any sense?

Where will you be?

The same place where you are, regardless of where that is, because we will all be where the Lord is. The first place we will all be is "in the air".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Look, I am content with Gods Word given to Jesus Christ given to His Angel, given to John, given to me….if that is not satisfactory to you…that would be Your dilemma, Not mine.

If you REQUIRE multiple Chapters and multiple Verses within multiple Chapters to Believe the Word of God….that would be Your problem, Not Mine.

You can either Trust the Word of God…or Not. It seems you fall within the NOT Trusting. And again that has zero effect on me.

You clearly missed the point. You should want to interpret verses in the book of Revelation in such a way that it doesn't contradict other scripture. But, that does not appear to be of any concern to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL… about half a dozen posts between us and you turn to name calling.

Don't act like a child the way you did in that post and then I won't accuse you of childishness. Very simple.

Scripture speaks expressly of Christs 1,000 year reign.

Yes, but what you fail to understand is that the thousand years is figurative, similar to how the word "thousand" is used figuratively elsewhere in scripture such as the references to "a thousand generations" in several Old Testament verses and to the cattle on a thousand hills in Psalm 50:10.

I believe Scripture and you don’t.

Again with the childishness. Why don't you just say "I know you are, but what am I?". Good grief. We all believe Scripture, but we obviously don't always agree with how it should be interpreted.

Not a mystery where we each stand.

Not a mystery that you take things too far by making ridiculous blanket statements like "I believe Scripture and you don't" as if I don't believe any Scripture just because you and I disagree on some of it (as it relates to end times). Do you even know what I believe besides what I believe regarding the thousand years? Probably not. Yet, here you are saying I don't believe Scripture. What if I agreed with you on everything else. You still say I don't believe Scripture. What nonsense.

 

[WPM]

Look, I am content with Gods Word given to Jesus Christ given to His Angel, given to John, given to me….if that is not satisfactory to you…that would be Your dilemma, Not mine.

If you REQUIRE multiple Chapters and multiple Verses within multiple Chapters to Believe the Word of God….that would be Your problem, Not Mine.

You can either Trust the Word of God…or Not. It seems you fall within the NOT Trusting. And again that has zero effect on me.

Ok. So your invention of an age between "this age" and "the age to come" is ok? Inventing a doctrine that has not been taught up until 3 chapters before the end of the Bible in the most obscure book in Scripture is smart? I don't think so!

 

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Yes, the best argument to make is our own opinion, then let the bashers try to bash it.

I would not call;

1. [4] … they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

An opinion!

 

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What do you believe is the reason that we would meet Him in the air if we supposedly just come right back down to the earth afterwards? How does that make any sense?

God is Just… no excuses.
For 1,000 years human men will be born, live, generation after generation, have children, die, establish cities, nations, have kings, with the Lord King over all kings. The nations will be in harmony. And Satan will have Zero influence on them.

After the 1,000 years, Satan (and his demons) are allowed to roam the Nations, kings, men and once again influence the mortals. And all Nations Shall arm up to attack Christs Kingdom (which btw is all the Land Promised to Abraham and his faithful Descendants). And they are slaughtered By Christ the Lord Jesus’ two edged Sword… which is the Word of God, which is Truth, which Truth overcomes A Lie….which mortals again will have fallen for Satans Lie.

Thereafter a battle between holy and demonic angels ensues ad the demons are defeated and cast into the pits of Hell.

Thereafter…Judgement of All humans that have ever lived. And final Separation….Then a new heavens and earth.

The same place where you are, regardless of where that is, because we will all be where the Lord is. The first place we will all be is "in the air".

Well aware, and have never said otherwise.
The prime objective of the last days…7 years is Punishments upon men who have Rejected Christ…Rejected God…taken Satan’s Mark…men who have Tormented and Caused Tribulations Against Believers….Saving Faithful ISRAEL and Fulfilling Gods Promise to Be With His Faithful (void of corruption) forever.

 

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You clearly missed the point. You should want to interpret verses in the book of Revelation in such a way that it doesn't contradict other scripture. But, that does not appear to be of any concern to you.

If you are going to MAKE an accusation….spell it out…what exactly are you claiming IS a Contradiction?

 

[WPM]

I would not call;

1. [4] … they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

An opinion!

That is talking about the victory Jesus wrought over Hades that enables captivity to be taken captive and raised to heaven to reign in Christ.