22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Spiritual Israelite]

The kingdom we are part of does not rule earth now. We are part of it yes. However, only when He returns will, as Revelation says,,

Revelation 11:15

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Only when He returns does He rule with His saints. If you claim that is now, then you are claiming He returned!

I'm not claiming that is now. But, you need to read that more carefully. It's talking about when the Father begins to reign. When it says "our Lord" there, it's referring to the Father and then it says "and of his Christ". For now, the Father has given all authority to His Son, as Jesus Himself indicated here:

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

When Jesus returns, He will then hand over the kingdom to God the Father and the Father will reign forever from that point on with His Son by His side.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

So, Jesus reigns now, as scripture clearly teaches, and then, when He returns He will hand over the kingdom to God the Father and then the Father will reign over the new heavens and new earth with His Son by His side forever.

There's another thing you should note about what will happen after the seventh trumpet sounds. It indicates that at the seventh trumpet it will be when "the time has come for judging the dead".

Revelation 11:18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

When will the dead be judged? After the thousand years, as indicated in Revelation 20. We all agree that the following happens after the thousand years:

Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[covenantee]

Future Unfulfilled

Daniel 11:40KJV
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

Past fulfilled.

7093 [e]
qêṣ,
קֵ֗ץ
of the end
N‑ms

"especially Daniel, of time of Antiochus' persecution, following by A.'s death"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is no recognized Bible scholar past or present who interprets the weeks of Daniel 9:24 as days.

All are unanimous in interpreting the weeks as years.

7620 [e]
šā·ḇu·‘îm
שָׁבֻעִ֨ים
Weeks
N‑mp

"heptad or seven of years, late, Daniel 9:24,25,26,27 (twice in verse). — שֻׁבֻעוֺת Ezekiel 21:28 see שָׁבַע]."

"seven, week
Or shabuan {shaw-boo'-ah}; also (feminine) shbu.ah {sheb-oo-aw'}; properly, passive participle of shaba' as a denominative of sheba'; literal, sevened, i.e. A week (specifically, of years) -- seven, week."

Agree. Whenever someone has an interpretation all to themselves, as Truth7t7 does in this case, that should automatically raise a red flag. God does not reveal things like this to just one person.

Of course, I'm not saying the majority is always right or anything like that. But, the truth is never revealed to just one person, either.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have never seen anyone who blatantly ignores posters points and robotically cuts-and-pastes evasive replies.

I've never seen anything quite like it, either. He just refuses to acknowledge and address any of our points that show the flaws in his view.

These forums are made for people to be able to have back and forth discussions with each other where each person addresses what the other person says. He doesn't seem to understand that. He just has his auto-replies all the time and never addresses our points or answers our questions.

Does he not see how this looks to others?

Apparently not. It seems to be impossible to get him to address our points. Seems like a waste of time at this point to try to get him to do that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because that would mean there is a 1992 year abomination of desolation upon all humanity. This is about the removal of the Atonement, not the removal of the OT Law.

What are you talking about here? What exactly prompted you to say that and what does this even mean? You need to learn how to communicate in a way that can be understood.

You fail to see the historical fulfillment of the AoD with Antiochus Epiphanes per Daniel. The Jews call it Hanukkah. This future AoD is the total disregard of the Cross and the Atonement of the Lamb. When God removes grace and His free gift of Salvation, that will be the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27. Not just the act of Antiochus Epiphanes against the temple in Jerusalem. That was not Daniel 9:27.

I didn't say that Antiochus Epiphanes had anything to do with Daniel 9:27. Are you just making things up randomly in your head here?

When you equate the Cross as the AoD that ended the use of the temple as the daily sacrifice, that is blasphemy against the Cross. The Cross was not the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27. The Cross was the fulfillment of Daniel 9:26.

I didn't say that the cross was the fulfillment of all of Daniel 9:27. Just the part about Jesus confirming the new covenant which spiritually brought an end to the significance and need for animal sacrifices.

After Jesus confirmed the new covenant with His sacrifice, the Jews continued performing the animal sacrifices which showed how they didn't understand what Jesus did for them and they didn't accept Him. That resulted in their temple being physically destroyed in 70 AD.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't think you read the scriptures carefully enough.

You think wrong. You can say a lot of things about me, but accusing me of not reading the scriptures carefully enough is not one of them. I study the scriptures very carefully. I believe I study them far more carefully than you do.

Allow yourself to picture what is being presented.

I do.

John describes a war between two armies. We expect casualties and deaths among the soldiers. What we DON'T see is Jesus' army moving house to house, killing everyone on earth. You are reading that into the text.

No, I'm not. It says He will destroy "all people, free and slave, great and small". That's a way of indicating that it's all-inclusive. No unbeliever will be spared. Whether they are free or slave, great or small, or anything in between, they will not escape His wrath when He returns.

How does my view make it impossible?

Because you are saying that what Peter described in 2 Peter 3:10-12, which is the burning up of the heavens, the elements and the earth, can't occur during the lifetimes of His readers. You don't have what he described there as occurring on the day Jesus returns, but instead have it occurring 1,000+ years later. How can it possibly affect anyone reading 2 Peter 3:10-12 in that case?

Look at what he said here in particular:

2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

What is your understanding of what he said here? Was he not telling his readers that they should make an effort "to live holy and godly lives" in anticipation of the day of the Lord? If the destruction he wrote about doesn't even occur until 1,000+ years after Christ's return, as you believe, then how can what he said apply to anyone who is alive before Christ's return? Why would anyone from the time Peter wrote that up until now try "to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming", if that day can't possibly occur in our lifetimes?

 

[WPM]

I've never seen anything quite like it, either. He just refuses to acknowledge and address any of our points that show the flaws in his view.

These forums are made for people to be able to have back and forth discussions with each other where each person addresses what the other person says. He doesn't seem to understand that. He just has his auto-replies all the time and never addresses our points or answers our questions.

Apparently not. It seems to be impossible to get him to address our points. Seems like a waste of time at this point to try to get him to do that.

It is pointless engaging with a robot.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes, of course.

You say "of course", but I think most Premils would say that the "sudden destruction" that Paul references in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occurs on the day Christ returns, not 1,000+ years later. So, that's why I asked you that question. Your interpretation of 1 Thess 5:2-3 is at least consistent with your interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12. Other Premils seem to think that Paul's "day of the Lord" is a different "day of the Lord" than Peter wrote about. Or they think they're the same "day of the Lord", but somehow don't make the connection that the "sudden destruction" Paul wrote about comes about by way of fire coming down on the entire earth.

Remember, I am allowed to interpret the Old Testament the way the author's intended. Peter and Paul are giving you summary statements of a larger picture, one that you will not allow yourself to see.

This is the wrong approach. The New Testament shines light on the Old Testament for us, not the other way around. You are not allowing Peter and Paul to teach you how you should be understanding the future day of the Lord. They both made it very clear that the day of the Lord is the day Christ returns and they both indicated that global destruction will occur on that day. You need to adjust your understanding of the Old Testament accordingly instead of trying to change what they taught or saying they were just giving a summary. They were not giving a summary, they were giving an explanation of what will happen to unbelievers on the day Christ returns. It doesn't require a lot of detail. Paul explained that they will be destroyed without having any way of escape and Peter explained that the destruction will come by way of fire. What more needs to be said about that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is pointless engaging with a robot.

I fully agree. We have tried to do that and he refuses to address our points. Let's move on and not waste any more of our time talking to a robot.

 

[jeffweeder]

Because you are saying that what Peter described in 2 Peter 3:10-12, which is the burning up of the heavens, the elements and the earth, can't occur during the lifetimes of His readers. You don't have what he described there as occurring on the day Jesus returns, but instead have it occurring 1,000+ years later. How can it possibly affect anyone reading 2 Peter 3:10-12 in that case?

Look at what he said here in particular:

2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

What is your understanding of what he said here? Was he not telling his readers that they should make an effort "to live holy and godly lives" in anticipation of the day of the Lord? If the destruction he wrote about doesn't even occur until 1,000+ years after Christ's return, as you believe, then how can what he said apply to anyone who is alive before Christ's return? Why would anyone from the time Peter wrote that up until now try "to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming", if that day can't possibly occur in our lifetimes?

BINGO.
Great point.
That should settle the matter.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

While this is true, it isn't what John is saying in Revelation 19. The soldiers of the armies die, not all those who live on the earth.

Why do you keep saying this? The scope goes beyond just the soldiers, as I have shown you.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

First, this references "kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders", but what you miss and refuse to address is the fact that it then expands the scope beyond just the soldiers that you referenced, but to "all people, free and slave, great and small". Soldiers are not slaves or small, so John was clearly talking about more than just the soldiers of the armies here. Only doctrinal bias can keep someone from acknowledging this.

This type of wording shows that he was being all-inclusive. No one is excepted when it comes to Christ's enemies that He will destroy when He returns. In terms of Christ's enemies, everyone between those who considered of small stature or significance to those who are considered great in stature and significance are included. That is what "all people, free and slave, great and small" means.

Look at this verse:

Revelation 13:16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

Do you think any unbeliever is excepted here in terms of the scope of who receives "a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads"?

How about this verse:

Revelation 19:5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying: “Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, both great and small!”

Do you think this verse is only telling some of God's servants to praise God or all of His servants to praise God? Clearly all of them, right? That's what phrases like "great and small" or "free and slave" imply: that literally all people who fit the context of the verse are being included.

The context of Revelation 19:17-18 is in relation to Christ's enemies. So, when it indicates there that "all people, free and slave, great and small” will be killed when He returns, it's not making any exceptions. And that lines up with other scripture like the following which indicates that He will destroy all of His enemies when He comes:

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

 

[Truth7t7]

What are you talking about here? What exactly prompted you to say that and what does this even mean? You need to learn how to communicate in a way that can be understood.

I didn't say that Antiochus Epiphanes had anything to do with Daniel 9:27. Are you just making things up randomly in your head here?

I didn't say that the cross was the fulfillment of all of Daniel 9:27. Just the part about Jesus confirming the new covenant which spiritually brought an end to the significance and need for animal sacrifices.

After Jesus confirmed the new covenant with His sacrifice, the Jews continued performing the animal sacrifices which showed how they didn't understand what Jesus did for them and they didn't accept Him. That resulted in their temple being physically destroyed in 70 AD.

The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology in 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

BINGO.
Great point.
That should settle the matter.

Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate that.

The same point can be made regarding Paul's description of the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3. He, too, made it clear that the destruction he referenced was something that could potentially occur in the lifetimes of his readers which is why he told them to watch for that day while remaining spiritually sober and alert. If the destruction didn't actually happen until 1,000+ years after Christ's return, then it wouldn't be something that would be of any concern to his readers.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology in 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Is there an auto reply feature on this forum that you're using to say the same things over and over again or are you doing that manually?

 

[jeffweeder]

Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate that.

The same point can be made regarding Paul's description of the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3. He, too, made it clear that the destruction he referenced was something that could potentially occur in the lifetimes of his readers which is why he told them to watch for that day while remaining spiritually sober and alert. If the destruction didn't actually happen until 1,000+ years after Christ's return, then it wouldn't be something that would be of any concern to his readers.

Exactly right.

5 But as to the suitable times and the precise seasons and dates, brethren, you have no necessity for anything being written to you.

2 For you yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the [return of the] Lord will come [as unexpectedly and suddenly] as a thief in the night.

3 When people are saying, All is well and secure, and, There is peace and safety, then in a moment unforeseen destruction (ruin and death) will come upon them as suddenly as labor pains come upon a woman with child; and they shall by no means escape, for there will be no escape.

4 But you are not in [given up to the power of] darkness, brethren, for that day to overtake you by surprise like a thief.


Brethren will still be present on earth when that great day of the Lord occurs.
Why is this so difficult for some to understand?

Paul even wrote a second letter to them to drive that point home...,

5 This is positive proof of the just and right judgment of God to the end that you may be deemed deserving of His kingdom [a plain token of His fair verdict which designs that you should be made and counted worthy of the kingdom of God], for the sake of which you are also suffering.

6 [It is a fair decision] since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with distress and affliction those who distress and afflict you,

7 And to [recompense] you who are so distressed and afflicted [by granting you] relief and rest along with us [your fellow sufferers] when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire,

8 To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 When He comes to be glorified in His saints [on that day He will be made more glorious in His consecrated people], and [He will] be marveled at and admired [in His glory reflected] in all who have believed [who have adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Him], because our witnessing among you was confidently accepted and believed [and confirmed in your lives].

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly right.

5 But as to the suitable times and the precise seasons and dates, brethren, you have no necessity for anything being written to you.

2 For you yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the [return of the] Lord will come [as unexpectedly and suddenly] as a thief in the night.

3 When people are saying, All is well and secure, and, There is peace and safety, then in a moment unforeseen destruction (ruin and death) will come upon them as suddenly as labor pains come upon a woman with child; and they shall by no means escape, for there will be no escape.

4 But you are not in [given up to the power of] darkness, brethren, for that day to overtake you by surprise like a thief.


Brethren will still be present on earth when that great day of the Lord occurs.
Why is this so difficult for some to understand?

Because keeping their doctrines afloat is more important to them than just accepting the truth. It couldn't be more clear that the destruction that Peter and Paul described as occurring on the day of the Lord is something that can potentially happen during the lifetimes of all their readers, which includes us.

But, we have some Premils trying to claim that Peter and Paul are describing something that couldn't possibly apply to anyone who has read those passages up to this point in time since they have the destruction they described occurring 1,000+ years after the return of Christ.

Paul even wrote a second letter to them to drive that point home...,

5 This is positive proof of the just and right judgment of God to the end that you may be deemed deserving of His kingdom [a plain token of His fair verdict which designs that you should be made and counted worthy of the kingdom of God], for the sake of which you are also suffering.

6 [It is a fair decision] since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with distress and affliction those who distress and afflict you,

7 And to [recompense] you who are so distressed and afflicted [by granting you] relief and rest along with us [your fellow sufferers] when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire,

8 To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 When He comes to be glorified in His saints [on that day He will be made more glorious in His consecrated people], and [He will] be marveled at and admired [in His glory reflected] in all who have believed [who have adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Him], because our witnessing among you was confidently accepted and believed [and confirmed in your lives].

Exactly. He talks there about Christ destroying all of His enemies when He returns. How can they not discern that 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 are talking about the same event as 2 Thess 1:7-10? I think only doctrinal bias can prevent someone from seeing that those passages are all talking about the same event which will occur on the day Christ returns.

 

[Truth7t7]

Exactly. He talks there about Christ destroying all of His enemies when He returns. How can they not discern that 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 are talking about the same event as 2 Thess 1:7-10? I think only doctrinal bias can prevent someone from seeing that those passages are all talking about the same event which will occur on the day Christ returns.

That what you mention in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is "The Consummation"

Your claim this "Consummation" seen in Daniel 9:27 below was fulfilled in 66-70AD Jerusalem is a farce and you know it

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[covenantee]

That what you mention in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is "The Consummation"

Your claim this "Consummation" seen in Daniel 9:27 below was fulfilled in 66-70AD Jerusalem is a farce and you know it

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Debunked again.

You think that Daniel 9:27 was written by Merriam-Webster. It wasn't.

I've asked you to identify the grammatical antecedent of "he". You haven't.

It appears that you're still afraid.

Afraid of "he".

 

[Truth7t7]

Debunked again.

You think that Daniel 9:27 was written by Merriam-Webster. It wasn't.

I've asked you to identify the grammatical antecedent of "he". You haven't.

It appears that you're still afraid.

Afraid of "he".

Your claim is 100% "False"

Jesus Christ isnt the "he" as you falsely claim, Jesus doesn't make abomination or desolation, your claims are silenced, it's that simple

"He Shall Make It Desolate" and the "he" isn't Jesus Christ making desolation as you falsely claim

More "Preterist" reformed eschatology blunder

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:31KJV
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

 

[covenantee]

Your claim is 100% "False"

Jesus Christ isnt the "he" as you falsely claim, Jesus doesn't make abomination or desolation, your claims are silenced, it's that simple

"He Shall Make It Desolate" and the "he" isn't Jesus Christ making desolation as you falsely claim

More "Preterist" reformed eschatology blunder

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:31KJV
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Debunked again.

I didn't ask for your opinion.

I asked you to identify the grammatical antecedent of "he". You haven't.

You're still afraid.

Afraid of "he".