22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

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Davy

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Hi Davy,
Your more guilty of what you accuse me of doing :)

Deal with the scripture I commented on.

Well, since the Scriptures I posted reveals what you did, there is no way to interpret what I wrote to be what you have done with your 'pick n' choosing' select Scriptures from The Bible. The goal of what you are doing is trying to enforce a doctrine of man with it.

Just remember, IF... there exists other Bible Scripture that covers more detail of an event that you miss, as I showed in your case, then it means to back up and reconsider what God's Word is actually teaching on the subject.

And really in today's time there is no excuse because the Bible study tools are out there to do Bible cross-reference study making it easy to gather all available Scripture about a Bible topic. And that is something God did in His Word, He scattered details about a topic in many different Bible books throughout His Word, no doubt to see if we would actually study all of it.
 

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Well, since the Scriptures I posted reveals what you did, there is no way to interpret what I wrote to be what you have done with your 'pick n' choosing' select Scriptures from The Bible. The goal of what you are doing is trying to enforce a doctrine of man with it.

Just remember, IF... there exists other Bible Scripture that covers more detail of an event that you miss, as I showed in your case, then it means to back up and reconsider what God's Word is actually teaching on the subject.

And really in today's time there is no excuse because the Bible study tools are out there to do Bible cross-reference study making it easy to gather all available Scripture about a Bible topic. And that is something God did in His Word, He scattered details about a topic in many different Bible books throughout His Word, no doubt to see if we would actually study all of it.

Why do Premils constantly avoid the biblical rebuttals? Because they have no answer to it! They have to sidestep the sacred text!
 
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Well, since the Scriptures I posted reveals what you did, there is no way to interpret what I wrote to be what you have done with your 'pick n' choosing' select Scriptures from The Bible. The goal of what you are doing is trying to enforce a doctrine of man with it.

Just remember, IF... there exists other Bible Scripture that covers more detail of an event that you miss, as I showed in your case, then it means to back up and reconsider what God's Word is actually teaching on the subject.

And really in today's time there is no excuse because the Bible study tools are out there to do Bible cross-reference study making it easy to gather all available Scripture about a Bible topic. And that is something God did in His Word, He scattered details about a topic in many different Bible books throughout His Word, no doubt to see if we would actually study all of it.

Lol, there is no excuse.
Deal with the scripture I commented on.... and backed up with those others.


Cady and Zoe said,
II Thessalonians 1:7-10 -- Absent is any kind of hint that the Lord's vengeance is ubiquitous. Paul has not focused on everyone; he has directed his focus on "those who afflict you." The judgment is limited to those who are guilty of persecuting Christians.


o_O
You have got to be kidding.

I have Bolded the hints...,


5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day [that is, glorified through the changed lives of those who have accepted Him as Savior and have been set apart for His purpose], and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].

God has reserved a day for his final righteous judgment that will deal out full and complete and EVERLASTING destruction on the ungodly.
Those deemed righteous inherit everything on this day


Act 17
0 Therefore God overlooked and disregarded the former ages of ignorance; but now He commands all people everywhere to repent [that is, to change their old way of thinking, to regret their past sins, and to seek God’s purpose for their lives], 31 because He has set a day when He will judge the inhabited world in righteousness by a Man whom He has appointed and destined for that task, and He has provided credible proof to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

2Pet 3
7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly people.
 
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Lol, there is no excuse.
Deal with the scripture I commented on.... and backed up with those others.

I already commented about the Scriptures you posted in my post #3684, and then in my posts I countered with Scriptures that DISAGREE with your interpretation.
 

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Do you notice that he never actually addresses any rebuttals that posters present that forbid his Dispensationalism? All he can do is cut-and-paste the same 3 or 4 posts over and over again. We just need to keep on exposing that. If he actually addressed what others wrote he would be forced to change.

I agree with you about the infantile behavior. That is why I am for parents monitoring their kids better online.
You haven't refuted the biblical "Fact" below, the bad guy is present on earth until the future second coming and "Consummation"

Jesus Is The Lord!


The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology in 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again


Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled


This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation


1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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You haven't refuted the biblical "Fact" below, the bad guy is present on earth until the future second coming and "Consummation"

Jesus Is The Lord!


The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology in 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again


Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled


This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation


1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Afraid of "he".
 

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You believe the "he" is the prince, you never revealed who you believe this prince is/was
I'm not responsible for your abysmal memory. I told you that I'd reveal who the prince is after you reveal who "he" is.

You're still afraid.

Afraid of "he".
 

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I'm not responsible for your abysmal memory. I told you that I'd reveal who the prince is after you reveal who "he" is.

You're still afraid.

Afraid of "he".
The "he" is Daniel's (Little Horn) as seen in Daniel chapter 7, same guy
 

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Scripture and you are absolutely right.
Your claim is 100% "False"!

Jesus Christ doesn't make abomination or desolation, your claims are silenced, it's that simple


"He Shall Make It Desolate" and the "he" isn't Jesus Christ making desolation as you falsely claim

More "Preterist" reformed eschatology blunder


Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:31KJV
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
 
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Your claim is 100% "False"!

Jesus Christ doesn't make abomination or desolation, your claims are silenced, it's that simple


"He Shall Make It Desolate" the bad guy of Daniel 7 (Little Horn)

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Stop parroting dispensational delusion and fallacy.

What is the grammatical antecedent of "he"?
 
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Your claim is 100% "False"!

Jesus Christ doesn't make abomination or desolation, your claims are silenced, it's that simple


"He Shall Make It Desolate" and the "he" isn't Jesus Christ making desolation as you falsely claim

More "Preterist" reformed eschatology blunder


Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 69 weeks (7 + 62) were to measure unto the commencement of Messiah’s earthly ministry. However, the passage makes it clear that immediately “after” the 69 weeks “shall Messiah be cut off.” That leaves us with only one other unfulfilled week – the 70th week. So, where in this final week is Messiah “cut off”? Is it at the beginning, in the middle, or at the end? Thankfully, there is no requirement for us to speculate, the answer is found in the very next verse. Daniel 9:27 declares, in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.”

The phrase “cut off” implies that Messiah would not die a normal natural death, he would rather be murdered. Isaiah alludes to the same event, also amazingly using the same language: "He was cut off out of the land of the living" (Isaiah 53:8).

Furthermore, the One whom this whole prophecy revolves round – Messiah – would “after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off.” Therefore, somewhere in the last week Christ would be cut off.
 
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Stop parroting dispensational delusion and fallacy.

What is the grammatical antecedent of "he"?
More like continued parroting "Preterist" reformed eschatology false teachings

To claim Jesus Christ is the "he" in Daniel 9:27 making abomination and desolation?

Hard to believe, sad

Jesus Is The Lord
 
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More like continued parroting "Preterist" reformed eschatology false teachings

To claim Jesus Christ is the "he" in Daniel 9:27 making abomination and desolation?

Hard to believe, sad

Jesus Is The Lord

He confirmed the covenant at Calvary.
He caused sacrifice and oblation to cease at Calvary.
He desolated the nation of Israel for rejecting Him.

What is hard to believe about confirmed historical reality and fulfillment?

Yes, the desolation of Israel was sad. But it is nonetheless confirmed historical reality and fulfillment.

And not by the "little horn". Stop being a dispendupe.
 
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The 69 weeks (7 + 62) were to measure unto the commencement of Messiah’s earthly ministry. However, the passage makes it clear that immediately “after” the 69 weeks “shall Messiah be cut off.” That leaves us with only one other unfulfilled week – the 70th week. So, where in this final week is Messiah “cut off”? Is it at the beginning, in the middle, or at the end? Thankfully, there is no requirement for us to speculate, the answer is found in the very next verse. Daniel 9:27 declares, in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.”

The phrase “cut off” implies that Messiah would not die a normal natural death, he would rather be murdered. Isaiah alludes to the same event, also amazingly using the same language: "He was cut off out of the land of the living" (Isaiah 53:8).

Furthermore, the One whom this whole prophecy revolves round – Messiah – would “after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off.” Therefore, somewhere in the last week Christ would be cut off.
Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained "Future"?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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