22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Keraz]

Interesting speculation. Too bad the verses you gave have zero to do with supporting that

The verses that support an about 20 year time gap at the Seventh Seal are: Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 They give the formula to calculate how long a half hour in heaven would be on earth.
The rest of your rude criticism is unworthy of my reply.

You wannabe raptured to heaven? Better be ready with plan B in case God rejects you for judging your brethren. James 4:11-12

 

[Truth7t7]

After the 1000 years is when we see the new heaven and earth.

No such thing as a 1,000 year kingdom found in scripture, itsa fabricated man made fairy-tale

 

[Truth7t7]

He comes back then rules for 1000 years with His saints here. Not sure what you have confused beyond recognition here.

The verse says people are gathered. It says nothing about some ride to old Jerusalem for all believers.

By change the world I think you mean destroys the planet?

"Beware Of The Teaching Above"!

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[dad]

The verses that support an about 20 year time gap at the Seventh Seal are: Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 They give the formula to calculate how long a half hour in heaven would be on earth.

Complete fantasy and cultish twistings with no basis in reality or fact then. OK

You wannabe raptured to heaven? Better be ready with plan B in case God rejects you for judging your brethren. James 4:11-12

I deal with false doctrines not brethren. For example if we judge an outfit like JW because they don't believe Jesus is God, that would not be judging brethren. If I correct a brazenly false statement like 'we don't reaallllllly go to heaven', that is not 'judging brethren'. That is setting things in order and rightly dividing the word of truth and standing for all that is good and right. That is believing Jesus.

 

[dad]

No such thing as a 1,000 year kingdom found in scripture, itsa fabricated man made fairy-tale

The 1000 years is in Scripture six ways from Sunday. Calling it names changes nothing and does not make it go away. Wave all you like it ain't going anywhere.

 

[dad]

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Him ruling the nations (and they are on earth if you notice) with us for 1000 years is basic clear bible. Calling that a deception makes it crystal clear what spirit you work in.

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

The AC better beware because Jesus will throw the evil little punk into the lake of fire when He returns. One of the first orders of business here.

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

So now you talk about the lies of false prophets of generations, especially that last period in the tribulation as if it applied to the actual return of Jesus. That is darkness and gross ignorance.

 

[Keraz]

Complete fantasy and cultish twistings with no basis in reality or fact then. OK

Obviously there IS a time gap between the Seventh Seal and the Return of Jesus. Much is prophesied between Rev 6 and Rev 19:11, the Fifth Trumpet is five months; Revelation 9:5
I put it to you: your beliefs have no basis in common sense or in Biblical truths.
The 'rapture to heaven' theory is a joke and it is Satan who is laughing at all the stupid fools who believe his lies.

 

[dad]

Obviously there IS a time gap between the Seventh Seal and the Return of Jesus. Much is prophesied between Rev 6 and Rev 19:11, the Fifth Trumpet is five months; Revelation 9:5
I put it to you: your beliefs have no basis in common sense or in Biblical truths.
The 'rapture to heaven' theory is a joke and it is Satan who is laughing at all the stupid fools who believe his lies.

Your opinion then is noted. Of course a lot happens during the tribulation. That is a surprise? That doesn't help you.

 

[Truth7t7]

The 'rapture to heaven' theory is a joke and it is Satan who is laughing at all the stupid fools who believe his lies.

We Agree 100%

 

[Truth7t7]

Him ruling the nations (and they are on earth if you notice) with us for 1000 years is basic clear bible. Calling that a deception makes it crystal clear what spirit you work in.

The AC better beware because Jesus will throw the evil little punk into the lake of fire when He returns. One of the first orders of business here.
So now you talk about the lies of false prophets of generations, especially that last period in the tribulation as if it applied to the actual return of Jesus. That is darkness and gross ignorance.

Your false teaching is paving the way for the future Antichrist to be received, claiming to be Messiah returned to earth, reader "Beware" Of The Teaching Above"!

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Truth7t7]

The 1000 years is in Scripture six ways from Sunday. Calling it names changes nothing and does not make it go away. Wave all you like it ain't going anywhere.

A 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is found no place in scripture, its a fabricated fairy tale of man

 

[Keraz]

Your opinion then is noted. Of course a lot happens during the tribulation. That is a surprise? That doesn't help you.

The issue is that a rejection of using the formula of a day in heaven equals 1000 years on earth, makes Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 meaningless.
It also makes it of no value for our understanding of Revelation 8:1. the Seventh Seal.

Why I bother to pursue this matter with you, is because of your vehement and rude responses. My hope is to make you look more seriously at what God is trying to tell us, what He really does plan for our future.

 

[dad]

Your false teaching is paving the way for the future Antichrist to be received, claiming to be Messiah returned to earth, reader "Beware" Of The Teaching Above"!

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Relax. The warning that some will say Christ is hiding are for before He returns, when, of course, every eye shall see Him. It is not hard to dispel the false confused utterances of cults.

 

[dad]

A 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is found no place in scripture, its a fabricated fairy tale of man

Not found by you. When we look at what you think you can find and what you think cannot be found, all that is seen is a welding of Scripture at any cost to fit your little prearranged paradigm.

 

[dad]

The issue is that a rejection of using the formula of a day in heaven equals 1000 years on earth,

That is foolishness. Are there not 12 hours in a day? The issue is what is a day to man right here and now. Not what is sort of similar to the Almighty! That is above your pay grade.

It would be madness to try and, for example, take the three days Jesus was dead and try to make them thousands of years! It would be silly to count the number of days Paul spent in prison and try to make that untold thousands of years. That is about what you do to hammer the bible to fit your wishes. Those who actually comprehend the bible are those that seek truth, rather than seek things to hammer and twist.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not found by you. When we look at what you think you can find and what you think cannot be found, all that is seen is a welding of Scripture at any cost to fit your little prearranged paradigm.

You response is void of scripture, and nothing more than your wayward opinion, driven by the false teachings of John N. Darby's dispensationalism & Millennialism

 

[Truth7t7]

It would be madness to try and, for example, take the three days Jesus was dead and try to make them thousands of years! It would be silly to count the number of days Paul spent in prison and try to make that untold thousands of years. That is about what you do to hammer the bible to fit your wishes. Those who actually comprehend the bible are those that seek truth, rather than seek things to hammer and twist.

Just like your claims that the day of the Lord is 1,000 years long, that's madness!

 

[dad]

You response is void of scripture, and nothing more than your wayward opinion, driven by the false teachings of John N. Darby's dispensationalism & Millennialism

The warning that some will say Christ is hiding are for before He returns, when, of course, every eye shall see Him. Not sure why you try to use that for after He returns.
Revelation 1:7

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Never really heard of Darby except from religious bible benders that are desperate to blame the teachings of Paul and others on a strawman.

 

[dad]

Just like your claims that the day of the Lord is 1,000 years long, that's madness!

Wisdom is justified of her children. The sense of the word for that time embraces 1000 years.

2 Peter
3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison


It is after this thousand years of reigning on earth that Satan is loosed and God sends fire to destroy the wicked and makes a new earth and heaven.

It is also at this time that the great white throne judgment happens

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened
Only after this in Rev 21 do we see the new earth.

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;

Those who claim this happens the day Jesus returns to earth do not know the word of God

 

[Truth7t7]

Wisdom is justified of her children. The sense of the word for that time embraces 1000 years.

2 Peter
3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison


It is after this thousand years of reigning on earth that Satan is loosed and God sends fire to destroy the wicked and makes a new earth and heaven.

It is also at this time that the great white throne judgment happens

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened
Only after this in Rev 21 do we see the new earth.

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;

Those who claim this happens the day Jesus returns to earth do not know the word of God

No place in scripture does it teach a Kingdom on this earth for 1,000 years, as you have been shown "Several Times" Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lord's spiritual realm, no kingdom on this earth is seen or mortal humans present

A 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a fabricated fairy tale of man, found no place in scripture

You can claim it, shout it from the roof tops, no earthly kingdom or mortal humans are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 and you can't provide it because it doesn't exist, a "Fact"!