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14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS
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A PARABLE IS AN EARTHLY STORY WITH A HEAVENLY MEANING.
09) And he said unto them, he that hath ears to hear let him hear.
10) And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of Him the parable.
11) And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12) That seeing they may see, and not perceive;
and hearing they may hear, and not understand
lest at any time they shoud be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them
13) And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will you know all parabales?
33) And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.
34) But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. Mark 4:33-34
To God Be The Glory
09) And he said unto them, he that hath ears to hear let him hear.
10) And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of Him the parable.
11) And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12) That seeing they may see, and not perceive;
and hearing they may hear, and not understand
lest at any time they shoud be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them
13) And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will you know all parabales?
33) And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.
34) But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. Mark 4:33-34
To God Be The Glory
Taken
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Ezek 18:
[1] The word of the LORD …
[4] Behold, all souls are mine…
Life IN ANY soul IS Gods Breath.
Gods Breath IN a soul = a Living Soul
Gods Breath Departed from a Living soul =
A LIFELESS soul.
A BODY formed of Dust of the Earth =
A created Animal…A Created man.
God “Gives” to Every BODY, God “Forms”, it OWN SEED, to procreate, it’s SAME KIND of Thing.
A BODY’S Life IS, Blood.
WHEN, God IS Forming the Body “IN Secrecy”, (IN the Womb of a FEMALE…)
What that “Formed Body” (sewn, knit together, by the hand of God)…
Body SHALL Be…
IS Revealed, at the Birth Day of that “Body”.
At the moment of Birth…
God “Gives”…that “Body”…A Gift from God…
That Gift, IS “a Living Soul”.
A Soul…With Gods Breath of Life IN that Soul.
A Born Body, alive…IS a Body whose Life (Blood), is Functioning.
A Born Body, alive…IS “prepared” to Receive…
Gods Gift Of a Living Soul.
A SEED is the Marvel Mystery.
God Creates Every Body with its own SEED.
It is a Fertilized SEED that begins the Procreation…( of manKIND Bodies, of Animal Bodies, of Plant Bodies ).
It IS God who does the “MAKING” /“FORMING” of those Bodies.
It IS The Earth, ie, the Estate, the Habitat, of Man, Animals, Plants, Which Maintains The Natural LIFE…of Man, Animals, Plants…
By, through, of…
Minerals, Oxygen, Water…OF / IN the Earth,
(such as God has Provided).
The Gift of Gods Living Soul, TO Animals and ManKIND…is for Another Purpose, necessary for Animals Bodys and ManKinds Bodys Survival ( other than minerals, oxygen and water).
Do you Know the Purpose for God Giving an Alive ManKind of Body and an Alive Animal Kind of Body….A Living Soul?
Can you respond Yes or No?
If Yes, can you reveal Why?
Taken
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Electricity is a catalyst…
A light bulb, a toaster, a refrigerator, will “continue” to function when connected to the catalyst.
God IS Light.
God IS Invisible.
Gods LIght “Continues”, whether or Not man Can SEE the Reflection of His Light.
The Moon, has NO light.
The SUN shining UPON the moon, IS a Reflection of Gods Light Men Can SEE.
Gods Light Shining Upon a Man, (gives off No reflection, a man can See.)
Gods Light “IMPARTED” Into a man, as well, can not be SEEN by Human EYES.
All souls are Gods.
All souls have Gods LIFE IN Them.
All Souls Imparted into a living Body, are Invisible.
All Living Souls Departed Out from a Dead Body, are invisible.
A departed Soul, still belongs to God.
A Departed soul. Still has Gods Life IN it.
No.
God SAID…
He requires the LIFE (blood), of Every man.
All Body’s Life (Blood) Shall, Must Die.
God NEVER SAID…
All Souls, Must, Shall Die.
As a matter of FACT…God taught HOW a Living Soul CAN FOREVER KEEP Gods LIFE IN a Soul, regardless of The LIFE of the Body, experiencing it’s REQUIRED Death.
The only verse in the whole Bible which says that all souls belong to God is Ezekiel 18:4. Why did you not read and quote the whole verse? You did not quote the whole verse in your later post (#303):
Ezekiel 18:4 (WEB):
(4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine. The soul who sins, he shall die.
So you correctly state that all souls belong to God, but then state the opposite of the rest of the verse which states that a soul can and will die. You give the impression of deliberately trying to mislead! I'd prefer to believe it was just careless study, but that is also bad (for you).
Wick Stick
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I believe you are referring to this verse?
Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
The word here translated as life and lives is elsewhere translated as soul. It's נֶפֶשׁ (Nephesh)
Taken
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When can a soul Die?
All Souls “will” die?
A human body is Mortal.
A body’s Life IS Blood.
Mortal means …It Shall and Must Die.
Die means The Life Dies.
A dead Body, feels nothing.
A dead Body, will rot, stink, decompose, Return to Dust…Or it can be Burned, Destroyed, become Ash.
Shall and Must All souls DIE?
The Life of the Soul IS Gods Breath.
Does the Life of the Soul Die?
A living Soul, In or Out of its Body, Still has Gods Breath IN it.
When Can a Soul Die?
How does a soul Become MADE Dead?
How is a Lifeless Soul disposed of permanently? And When?
How is a lifeless human body disposed of permanently? And When?
Does A dead body Always mean, Void of its Life (Blood) IN the Body?
Does a dead soul Always mean, Void of Its Life (Gods Breath) IN the Soul?
There is a specific ORDER and WAY for…
Every Created and Made Body
Every Soul.
Every Spirit.
It is NOT the Exact Same for EVERY manKind of Being.
All ways are Revealed in Scripture…
Thus what May Scripturally Appear as Contradictory, is Simply a Matter of proper Application to Whom or What.
Taken
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Yes.
Probably so. It is the proper contextual application that matters regarding each individual.
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"And the Lord God formed man of the Dust of the ground, breathed into his nostrils the Breath of Life, and Dust of the ground BECAME a Living Soul." - Genesis 2:7 KJV
Q. At what point does chocolate milk come into existence?
A. When we mix cocoa with milk.
Q. At what point does a red dress begin to exist?
A. When we mix red dye with a dress.
Q. At what point does light from an electric lamp come into existence?
A. When we introduce electric current into the bulb.
Q. AT WHAT POINT DOES THE LIVING SOUL COME INTO EXISTENCE, PER GENESIS 2:7 KJV?
A. WHEN GOD BREATHES THE BREATH OF LIFE INTO A CREATURE'S BODY.
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Solomon says man and the animals have "one" breath, so that the one has no "preeminence" over the other.
In the same way God gives the Body of a man His Breath of Life to cause the Living Human Soul to come into existence, so God gives the Body of a dog His breath of Life to cause the Living Canine Soul to come into existence.
Solomon also says the Living Soul does not exist prior to when God breathes His Breath of Life into a Body - it comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and Breath of Life.
Notice how I consistently provide you Scripture, not my opinion? However, I seem to read nothing but your opinions. Please back up what you say with SCRIPTURE.
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No it isn't. It's an "energy source" the same way God is the "life source".
Scripture repeatedly describes God's "Breath of Life" as His "life-giving principle" which animates the inanimate.
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Agreed. Yet, the Immortal Soul crowd cannot afford to give up what they consider this passage to be: "proof" that when we die, we go on living, the very sound of which is ridiculous. Death is the OPPOSITE of life, not the continuation thereof.
Wick Stick
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I'm happily undecided on these things. Thanatology raises a bunch of awkward questions, such as...
Why is it necessary to resurrect the unrighteous dead before the Judgment?
and
Why are the evil dead being tortured before they've been Judged?
The idea that the martyrs have some consciousness in death, and accuse their murderers seems to be Biblically founded. That shouldn't imply that everyone else has some consciousness after death and before the resurrection. However, it does raise another question...
Was Jesus implying that Lazarus was a martyr? And if so, blaming the leadership of the day for murder-by-societal-neglect?
Taken
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Point is…
You do not clearly make your own point, nor answer questions to clarify your point.
God Forms A Body, from dust of the Earth.
God calls “THAT” form, A Man.
Is that Form, Alive? No.
Is a Man being Formed in the Womb Living? No.
Is Man being formed in the womb Alive?
Yes.
What is the LIFE of the man in the womb? It’s Blood.
When does that man become Living?
When it is Born.
When that man is Alive AND born Living, what does God DO to that Created, Alive, Living man?
Give that man a Gift (That IS Gods), Called a SOUL, delivered FROM God, INTO the mans Body, via God blowing that Gift INTO the mans Formed Nostrils, which Has Gods LIFE IN that Soul? Yes.
What Has God Done?
Created A Form, Called Man, it’s Life, Blood.
Given that Form, Body, Man: a Gift of Gods, Called a Soul, with Gods Life, Called Gods Breath of Life.
The man was MADE to Become A Living Soul.
And WHAT “instantly” happens to THAT body, having Received a Living Soul???
Doubt you know.
Does the Man, Form, Body, Life/Blood, Stop Being A Man, Form, Body, it’s Life Blood? No
The Moment the man is Born, Alive, Living…
Is that Man, Form, Bod, it’s Life / Blood…Already Judged, Sentenced TO Die? Yes.
WAS, the living soul, IN the Man, that it and it’s Life which Belongs to God…Judged and Sentenced to Death…? No.
Why Did God Give “such a Gift WITH” Gods Life, into the Man, Form, Body, which has its Own Life / Blood? You could not answer.
Because you do not understand…the ROLE Gods Gift of a Soul IN a man, form, body is destin to carry out.
No where does Scripture teach, the Soul, the Life in the Soul, (Gods Breath)…is Judged, is Sentenced to Die.
Gods Life, never Dies.
“Things” Gods Life IS “IN”… CAN Die….
A BODY, Shall DIE…when it’s Life / Blood, is removed or otherwise stops flowing and pumping the Heart.
A SOUL Dies, when God removes His Breath of Life from the Soul.
Men bury Dead Body’s,.
God departs Every Living Soul (out from) Dead Body’s …( less you forget all souls ARE Gods and God is a God “OF” the Living)!!
What Does God DO with Living Departed souls (out of dead Body’s of men)?
The Same, “as the men DID, While their Body was Alive…”
* Meaning…
* Some Alive men,( even with Gods soul with Gods Life….Rejected God, while alive, Rejected God.)…
* Thus God ALLOWS their Departed Living Soul, to Continue Rejecting God…IN Hell…continuing to be Separated from God…. Waiting for the Day of Judgement of Their Body and Gods Soul given into their Body at their Birth.
* Other men, having Trusted to Believe IN God, AND become forgiven (By God) of their bodily sins (against God), and their causing sin of the Soul (against God)…
Also have their dead body buried…
And THEIR FORGIVEN departed Living soul, risen up to Heaven, to wait WITH God in comfort, peace, rest…For The Day of Judgement of their body and soul and spirit.
The dead lifeless body, and departed living “unforgiven soul”… at Judgement, shall Have Gods Life departed from their Living soul…and Both, their lifeless body and lifeless soul Shall be Destroyed….and forgotten.
So your false broad claims of “the immortal soul” crowd… are Void of the Truth and Order and Way and Facts.
All body’s Shall Die, God requires the Life (Blood) of mans body.
Some souls Shall Live Forever.
Some souls Shall have Gods Life departed their soul and their Body and Soul Destroyed, become ash, and forgotten.
And no, I will not quote you verses, already have, which you ignore addressing and deny they were quoted to you.
Glory to God,
Taken
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I see lots of false teaching in this thread which is heavily influenced by false Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine, so I will share what I believe to be the truth of the matter.
Human beings consist of body, soul and spirit.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes, a whole human can be referred to as a soul, but that should not be confused with the fact that we are "wholly" made up of "spirit and soul and body". as Paul taught. So, while we can be referred to as souls, we also have a soul. I've noticed that there are many people on this site who don't accept certain things that Paul taught and this seems to be yet another one.
Scripture makes it quite clear that people have consciousness after they die, as evidenced by passages like Luke 16:19-31 and Revelation 6:9-11 as well as the passages which give the account of Jesus's transfiguration where He talked to Moses and Elijah. Some people have chosen to twist those scriptures or ignore them, to their shame.
There is a debate about whether Luke 16:19-31 is a parable or not. It shouldn't be a debate. Since when do parables contain references to real people and real places? Since never. That alone shows that it is not a parable. But, let's say that it was a parable. Would that change the fact that Jesus is giving the impression that people are conscious in hell? No. He gave that impression regardless of whether it's a parable or not. So, why would He give that impression if it isn't the case that people have consciousness there? That makes no sense. He would not do that. And, again, how did Jesus talk to Moses and Elijah if there is no consciousness after physical death? Those who believe in soul sleep are cherry pickers who ignore scriptures like these while misinterpreting their cherry picked verses that contradict these other verses.
I'll address one verse they commonly use for now (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and show how they misinterpret it.
Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of people, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead.4 Anyone who is among the living has hope—even a live dog is better off than a dead lion! 5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.
So, those who believe in the false doctrine of soul sleep see the statement "the dead know nothing" and draw conclusions from it without even looking at the context. Context is very important, so to ignore the context of scripture is foolish. So, what is the context here? That people know nothing and have no consciousness after they die? No, not at all. The context is that once people are dead they no longer know or experience the things they experienced "under the sun", which refers to what they experience on earth, under the sun, before they die. Once a person dies they no longer know/experience anything on the earth because their life on earth is over. That's all this means. It does not mean they have no consciousness after no longer being under the sun. Nowhere does this passage indicate such a thing.
Notice what it says in verse 6 above. That verse explains what verse 5 is about. The "nothing" that the dead no longer know is "their love, their hate and their jealousy" that they had during their lives under the sun. They don't nkow those things anymore because they are dead and will no longer experience life on earth under the sun. That's all that means. Them knowing nothing is not a comment on their state of consciousness after death, but rather that they no longer have physical/bodily life and can no longer do the things that they did when they were physically alive.
Human beings consist of body, soul and spirit.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes, a whole human can be referred to as a soul, but that should not be confused with the fact that we are "wholly" made up of "spirit and soul and body". as Paul taught. So, while we can be referred to as souls, we also have a soul. I've noticed that there are many people on this site who don't accept certain things that Paul taught and this seems to be yet another one.
Scripture makes it quite clear that people have consciousness after they die, as evidenced by passages like Luke 16:19-31 and Revelation 6:9-11 as well as the passages which give the account of Jesus's transfiguration where He talked to Moses and Elijah. Some people have chosen to twist those scriptures or ignore them, to their shame.
There is a debate about whether Luke 16:19-31 is a parable or not. It shouldn't be a debate. Since when do parables contain references to real people and real places? Since never. That alone shows that it is not a parable. But, let's say that it was a parable. Would that change the fact that Jesus is giving the impression that people are conscious in hell? No. He gave that impression regardless of whether it's a parable or not. So, why would He give that impression if it isn't the case that people have consciousness there? That makes no sense. He would not do that. And, again, how did Jesus talk to Moses and Elijah if there is no consciousness after physical death? Those who believe in soul sleep are cherry pickers who ignore scriptures like these while misinterpreting their cherry picked verses that contradict these other verses.
I'll address one verse they commonly use for now (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and show how they misinterpret it.
Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of people, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead.4 Anyone who is among the living has hope—even a live dog is better off than a dead lion! 5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.
So, those who believe in the false doctrine of soul sleep see the statement "the dead know nothing" and draw conclusions from it without even looking at the context. Context is very important, so to ignore the context of scripture is foolish. So, what is the context here? That people know nothing and have no consciousness after they die? No, not at all. The context is that once people are dead they no longer know or experience the things they experienced "under the sun", which refers to what they experience on earth, under the sun, before they die. Once a person dies they no longer know/experience anything on the earth because their life on earth is over. That's all this means. It does not mean they have no consciousness after no longer being under the sun. Nowhere does this passage indicate such a thing.
Notice what it says in verse 6 above. That verse explains what verse 5 is about. The "nothing" that the dead no longer know is "their love, their hate and their jealousy" that they had during their lives under the sun. They don't nkow those things anymore because they are dead and will no longer experience life on earth under the sun. That's all that means. Them knowing nothing is not a comment on their state of consciousness after death, but rather that they no longer have physical/bodily life and can no longer do the things that they did when they were physically alive.
Paul never believed that good people would go to heaven before being resurrected.
1 Cor. 15:16 For if the dead are not to be raised up, neither has Christ been raised up. 17 Further, if Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless; you remain in your sins. 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in death in union with Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone.
As seen in the quoted passage, it is said of the dead that they have fallen asleep ... and this is not the only passage of the Scriptures saying that about dead people.
1 Cor. 15:16 For if the dead are not to be raised up, neither has Christ been raised up. 17 Further, if Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless; you remain in your sins. 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in death in union with Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone.
As seen in the quoted passage, it is said of the dead that they have fallen asleep ... and this is not the only passage of the Scriptures saying that about dead people.
Taken
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Primarily agree…
Disagree…about your Parable comment.
Yes Jesus taught in Parablrs. A story style of Teaching.
Jesus expressly revealed He IS the TRUTH…
Does it matter what word describes His “style / manner” of teaching ?
A Tale, a bed time Story ?? No.
He that IS the Truth can only Speak the Truth…
To deny, to argue against, is to proclaim Jesus could and did speak what is NOT True.
Your comment about “People”.
A Person, is a mankind of Living Being with a living soul in his body.
Body’s with out its soul in it is no longer a person.
( dead body’s are not called persons/people).
God bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
BILLIONS of humans will wish Lu 16 was only a parable!
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Taken
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Fact:
John 14:
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Nonsense Claim. (Body’s without Bodies) LOL.
No such claim ever made, except by OP.
A Departed Saved Soul IS Literally With the Departed Saved Soul, OF Abraham, WHOM God APPOINTED Father of Nations of Men, ALSO with Saved Souls.
Body’s Have EYES.
Body’s See.
Souls See, Without Eyes.
In the earth; Hell is NOT Gods Kingdom.
On the earth; Eden is Not Gods Kingdom.
Heaven IS Gods Kingdom.
* Abraham’s Departed Saved Soul was WHERE … The “Tree of Life” IS.
* First revealed IN Eden.
* Next revealed IN comfort side of Hell.
* Next revealed IN Heaven.
* Next revealed IN Christ Jesus’ Earthly Kingdom.
* Lastly revealed INthe Whole of a new Heaven and new Earth; Gods Kingdom.)
A mans Mortally Dead Body Knows, Sees, Hears, Smells, Speaks, Feels Nothing.
Mortally Dead Bodys are neither Buried IN Hell, or Sent to Hell!
No kidding. Their Brain / Mind IS Dead!
A “Person”, is An Alive, Living Body With an Alive Living Soul IN That Body.
A Dead body, without a soul IN IT, is NOT a person…
It’s a cadaver, corpse, remains, a soulless body!
Imparted, Departed Living Souls…Are Alive / Living…and Invisible to “Human Eyes”!
No Kidding! A dead BODY, does NOT notify the Medical Examiner How to perform an autopsy, to discover the Body’s cause of Death. A Dead BODY does not inform the Mortician how they want cosmetics applied and their hair styled!
Of course Dead BODYS do NT have Wisdom.
However SAVED departed Living Souls Continue Receiving Wisdom from Gods Truth and Wisdom…Jesus Christ!
Dead Bodys Do Not Praise God.
Unsaved departed Living Souls do not Praise God.
Saved Departed Living Souls Do Continue to Praise God
Dead Bodys, on the M. e. Examining table, or Displayed in a Funeral Parlor…have artificial Light shining upon them. Once Cremated. Put in a vault, cave, ground… then that Dead body is in utter darkness.
Dead body’s do not speak.
Dead Bodys ARE NOT SLEEPING.
Using the “term” “asleep” in regards to a DEAD Body….IS a “peek reference”…
That body Shall NOT arise of his own will, as a Living Body rises up from a Nap.
That DEAD Body Shall Arise Up, by the Power of God Returning the Living soul Back INTO that Body! Then shall that Dead Body (with Life IN IT / Living Soul)…rise up.
Departed Living Unsaved souls, have been experiencing TORMENTS (ie. Separation From God, His Truth, His Comforts, His Light, His Beauty)…for centuries.
Life of a Body is Blood.
Bodys of men Can KILL Bodys of men.
Life of a Soul is God Breath.
No human man’s Eyes can See a Soul or Kill a Soul.
Life of Gods Spirit IS Gods Seed.
All Souls Belong to God.
All Life in All souls IS Gods Breath.
God Controls What He Puts, Leaves or Removes Life To or From.
Gods Word is Called TRUTH.
Gods TRUTH is Named Jesus.
Gods SEED is Life.
Gods SEED is titled Christ.
Gods LIFE is Named Jesus.
A man With a Saved Soul is call Righteous.
Gods Life shall Never be removed from that soul.
A man With Gods Seed, shall never hav Life removed from that mans Spirit.
A man With “and” IN Gods Truth, call “the Spirit of Truth” shall never have Gods Truth removed from him.
You are uninformed, in denial…Gods Living Souls Depart out of Mortally Dead Bodys of men.[/]
Body, soul, spirit of man is the Whole of man.
A Natural born “whole” of man, IS Corrupt, Ungodly, not Good.
It is By, Through, Of Gods Pleasure, Grace, Authority, Justice, Will, Power, Order, Way and Offering…
A man can wholly submit to Gods Offering and Become “MADE WHOLE”, by, through, Of… Christ the Lord Jesus….Once and Forever!
Or Not!
Glory to God,
Taken
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