What does it mean to be Under the Law?
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Taken
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Yes, God is Sovereign.
Men have FREEWILL to choose to follow, believe, obey or not.
Yes, Gods Way is About Love.
Yes, Gods Way is Good, Righteous, Holy.
Yes, works have a role.
Works, unto Gods Glory, Glorifies God.
Works a man does to Glorify God, is a debt unto God, God Rewards.
Works a man does unto other men, if other men reward him, that is their Reward.
Gods “Order” was Father First, Son Last.
God “Way” is Father and Son are One God.
Gods “Order” was Jews First, Gentiles Last.
Gods “Way” is Jews / Gentiles “IN Christ” are One People.
Matt 19:
[30] But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Faith is a gift from God for Hearing Gods Word.
Righteousness of a man is For Believing Gods Word.
Holiness in a man is For Testifying his True Heartful belief unto the Lord Jesus
AND the mans willingness to Lay down unto Death his OWN body, For his Testimony of Belief, Be True.
AND Forever…
* Receiving the Blessing of Forgiveness from God (for having HAD not believed).
* Receiving the Blessing of Baptism from the Lamb of God
* Receiving the Blessing of Gods circumcision of their heart
* Receiving Gods Gift of a new Heart
* Receiving the Gift of Gods Spirit of Truth, (Jesus)
* Receiving the Gift of Gods Spirit of Seed (Christ)
* Receiving the Gift of Gods Spirit of Power
(Christ)
That man…Has completed the Works God REQUIRES to be With God Forever.
His Reward is the Crown of Life.
Other Rewards from God, are for Works that man DOES to Glorify God.
All Works men do (regardless if they are IN Christ, With God, or Not)…That Glorify God, God Rewards.
All works that Do Not Glorify God, shall be burned.
Order, Way, Purpose, Intent, Result is revealed in Scripture, the Understanding thereof is A Gift from God to Individuals who believed, who lay down their Bodily Life, Without Understanding.
Order and Way…belief First…understanding Last.
Rules, Laws, Statutes, Precepts…are the Teaching Method to learn About Belief In Who, What, When, How, Why.
Committing to The Belief, Establishes FULFILLMENT of the Rules, Laws, Statutes, Precepts…and opens the Door to Receiving Understanding.
Hope is to obtain Fulfillment.
Fulfillment is Hope Realized / Accomplished.
Glory to God,
Taken
Brakelite
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That's a very sad and incorrect motivation for obeying the gospel. Obey out of fear? That completely destroys the real reason God desires our company. Love.
We are obligated to walk in God's way regardless of whether or not we choose to do so.
The Bible repeatedly shows that God taught how to walk in His way through the Mosaic Law, such as in Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-23, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many others.
quietthinker
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'Obligated' hmmm, what does that mean?
God is long suffering. It means it never ends. So why is it a good idea to walk in God's ways? Is it not because his ways promote LIFE? Is it not because it is the way to relational joy? Is it not because everything thrives in life giving ways?
Will sin and sinners come to an end? I think so. Is it because God will deliberately and proactively destroy them. I don't think so.
Sin has in it the seeds of its own demise; it will destroy itself and everything it touches......just as Judas was destroyed by the principle he chose to lock onto. God did not kill him, he killed himself.
What's more important than escaping Hell? NOTHING! Please don't learn the hard way.
Brakelite
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Yes my darling I will marry you because I don't want to live with mum and dad any more. Thanks.
Brakelite
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Yes, God is a consuming fire to sin... And to anyone is still attached... it's everyone's choice. Cleave to sin and be destroyed with it, or be freed from sin and live forever. Turn ye, turn ye, why will ye die oh house of Israel?
Brakelite
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You don't get it. The Bridegroom is Jesus, you are a part of the bride, the church. Did you agree to Jesus's proposal? Why? Because you didn't want the alternative? That's the most compelling motive for marrying Jesus that you can come up with? If my wife had accepted my proposal of marriage and later told me her most compelling reason for accepting was to get away from home, I'd take the ring back..
Taken
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If you are speaking of “we” being “all” people, that statement is not true.
Not in debate.
Who, What, When, Why, Where is A repeated teaching theme in Scripture.
God is sovereign over all, so we are all obligated to walk in His way. God taught the Israelites to walk in His way so that they would would be equipped to be a light and a blessing to the nations by turning them from their wickedness and by teaching them to walk in God’s way in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom.
Christians are not under the Law, PERIOD! We have the New Covenant paid for by the Blood of Jesus!
And yet what does Christ ask of Believers..
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Brakelite
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Which in reality is to be expected. It is the character of God that is under question in the earth today. Is He good? It is the character of God that is being slandered and attacked by Satan. Here...
“5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. ”
Exodus 34:5-7 KJV
The character of God is synonymous with His name. Here...
“And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. ”
Revelation 13:6 KJV
We see Satan blaspheming the name of God, therefore blaspheming His character. Sadly, the vast majority of them Christians have taken Satan's side and preach and teach doctrines about God that directly impugn His character in numerous ways.
Many will be surprised that God does not accept unrepented sin or allow continued iniquity in His Kingdom.
Here is a good article on this..
"Just what does "under law" as used in this passage actually mean? In Galatians 3:24 Paul writes: "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ." "To bring us" is not in the Greek, but the preposition "eis" (dg), meaning "with a view to." The passage should read then: "The law was our schoolmaster with a view to the coming of Christ." The entire law, including both moral and ceremonial aspects, revealed by God, existed with a view to the coming of Christ at that supreme moment in history. The law was intended by God to keep before the minds of Israel and men everywhere that the real meaning and purpose of the law lay in the full and final revelation when Christ would come to this world.
Up until then the law acted as a schoolmaster or tutor. With the coming of Christ they no longer needed the law for this historical function. Thus, before the cross they were "shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed" (Gal. 3:23).
Prior to the entrance of sin Adam had direct access to God, face to face communion. With the entrance of sin this personal access was changed. Sin separated him from direct contact with God. From that day until the cross, God no longer confronted man as before. Instead of the actual visible presence, God revealed His will in terms of law. Man now stands under a jurisdiction of law, a revelation of God's will in commandments, statutes, objective requirements, set over against him. Law was not the ultimate revelation of God to sinful man, but it pointed to that ultimate revelation in Christ. Without this coming of Christ the law would have no meaning and no saving message from God. This period until the coming of Christ is thus spoken of as being "under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father" (Gal. 4:2). This was a period of restricted knowledge of God, of truth, of the work of the Holy Spirit, and of God's answer to the sin problem.
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead" (Acts 17: 30, 31).
The restricted or limited knowledge of God's redemptive work and solution to the sin problem is contrasted with the new covenant in Christ: "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those davs, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest" (Heb. 8:10, 11).
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3).
The distinction between Old and New Testament is not one of disagreement or opposition, but one of progressive revelation towards the fullness of time witnessed by all the law and the prophets, when the Son of God would become incarnate in the flesh, and the Redeemer of mankind.
4. What was God's purpose of "under law" in this jurisdictional sense? Principally twofold: First, to give sin the character of transgression (Gal. 3:19). The Greek word parabasis, as distinct from hamartia, makes sin to be transgression against the revealed and known will of God, against a codified law; therefore, all sin is against God, against His personal will, and not against some human standard. This the psalmist understood when he said, "Against thee, thee only, have I sinned" (Ps. 51:4).
Second, the law not only gave sin the character of rebellion against a personal God but showed that forgiveness comes alone from God, and taught men the need for a Saviour, to look for a Redeemer in point of time. Until the cross the race of men was legally under condemnation; from a judicial point of view all were lost until the debt of sin was paid at Calvary. The sacrificial system pointed forward to that moment. The sacrifices were not the answer to the sin problem. They expiated no sin. They "can never take away sins" (Heb. 10:11). It is apparent at once that in any court of justice the death of an animal could never pay for the killing of man, or expiate that sin. God never intended that the blood of animals could either pay the price of sin or redeem man.
Hence, when God gave the law with a view to foreshadowing Christ, He had in mind this historical moment when the debt of sin would be paid (Col. 2:14, 15) and the redemption of lost man actually accomplished. The moral law made escape impossible apart from the initiative and act of God at the cross; the moral law made sin appear for what it was, placing the whole race "under sin" (Gal. 3:22). The ceremonial features of the torah, or the law, were in reality the gospel in the Old Testament, and complemented the moral law, in that without it the case of man would have appeared completely hopeless.
Thus the law made the coming of Christ as the deliverer absolutely essential. It is this coming that is Paul's concern in Galatians 3. The cross is the redemption of all men; sinners are no longer "under the curse." They are a redeemed race legally (Gal. 3:13; aorist). Thus the law acted as a tutor with the coming of Christ in view. It is this function that ceases at the cross. Law no longer acts as a tutor with Christ in view in terms of time. Christ has come. Christ has borne our sins. Christ has redeemed us. This is no longer a possibility, a hope to be realized. It is an actuality. We do not need the law to point forward to some future time when sins will be expiated, when the redemption price will be paid. No, it has been done."
"Just what does "under law" as used in this passage actually mean? In Galatians 3:24 Paul writes: "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ." "To bring us" is not in the Greek, but the preposition "eis" (dg), meaning "with a view to." The passage should read then: "The law was our schoolmaster with a view to the coming of Christ." The entire law, including both moral and ceremonial aspects, revealed by God, existed with a view to the coming of Christ at that supreme moment in history. The law was intended by God to keep before the minds of Israel and men everywhere that the real meaning and purpose of the law lay in the full and final revelation when Christ would come to this world.
Up until then the law acted as a schoolmaster or tutor. With the coming of Christ they no longer needed the law for this historical function. Thus, before the cross they were "shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed" (Gal. 3:23).
Prior to the entrance of sin Adam had direct access to God, face to face communion. With the entrance of sin this personal access was changed. Sin separated him from direct contact with God. From that day until the cross, God no longer confronted man as before. Instead of the actual visible presence, God revealed His will in terms of law. Man now stands under a jurisdiction of law, a revelation of God's will in commandments, statutes, objective requirements, set over against him. Law was not the ultimate revelation of God to sinful man, but it pointed to that ultimate revelation in Christ. Without this coming of Christ the law would have no meaning and no saving message from God. This period until the coming of Christ is thus spoken of as being "under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father" (Gal. 4:2). This was a period of restricted knowledge of God, of truth, of the work of the Holy Spirit, and of God's answer to the sin problem.
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead" (Acts 17: 30, 31).
The restricted or limited knowledge of God's redemptive work and solution to the sin problem is contrasted with the new covenant in Christ: "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those davs, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest" (Heb. 8:10, 11).
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3).
The distinction between Old and New Testament is not one of disagreement or opposition, but one of progressive revelation towards the fullness of time witnessed by all the law and the prophets, when the Son of God would become incarnate in the flesh, and the Redeemer of mankind.
4. What was God's purpose of "under law" in this jurisdictional sense? Principally twofold: First, to give sin the character of transgression (Gal. 3:19). The Greek word parabasis, as distinct from hamartia, makes sin to be transgression against the revealed and known will of God, against a codified law; therefore, all sin is against God, against His personal will, and not against some human standard. This the psalmist understood when he said, "Against thee, thee only, have I sinned" (Ps. 51:4).
Second, the law not only gave sin the character of rebellion against a personal God but showed that forgiveness comes alone from God, and taught men the need for a Saviour, to look for a Redeemer in point of time. Until the cross the race of men was legally under condemnation; from a judicial point of view all were lost until the debt of sin was paid at Calvary. The sacrificial system pointed forward to that moment. The sacrifices were not the answer to the sin problem. They expiated no sin. They "can never take away sins" (Heb. 10:11). It is apparent at once that in any court of justice the death of an animal could never pay for the killing of man, or expiate that sin. God never intended that the blood of animals could either pay the price of sin or redeem man.
Hence, when God gave the law with a view to foreshadowing Christ, He had in mind this historical moment when the debt of sin would be paid (Col. 2:14, 15) and the redemption of lost man actually accomplished. The moral law made escape impossible apart from the initiative and act of God at the cross; the moral law made sin appear for what it was, placing the whole race "under sin" (Gal. 3:22). The ceremonial features of the torah, or the law, were in reality the gospel in the Old Testament, and complemented the moral law, in that without it the case of man would have appeared completely hopeless.
Thus the law made the coming of Christ as the deliverer absolutely essential. It is this coming that is Paul's concern in Galatians 3. The cross is the redemption of all men; sinners are no longer "under the curse." They are a redeemed race legally (Gal. 3:13; aorist). Thus the law acted as a tutor with the coming of Christ in view. It is this function that ceases at the cross. Law no longer acts as a tutor with Christ in view in terms of time. Christ has come. Christ has borne our sins. Christ has redeemed us. This is no longer a possibility, a hope to be realized. It is an actuality. We do not need the law to point forward to some future time when sins will be expiated, when the redemption price will be paid. No, it has been done."
