What does it mean to be Under the Law?

[Pearl]

God has not commanded anything that wasn’t in accordance with walking in the Spirit.

But I mean having Jesus living inside us in the form of the Holy Spirit. That is the only way that we will be "Transformed by the renewing of (our) minds.
Romans 12:2

 

[Behold]

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Many look and say well this does away with Gods Law, that those who follow the Ten Commandments are 'legalistic'.

The Law and Commandments have no power to make you righteous or justified before God.

So, "Legalism" tries to cause a person, a Christian, to keep laws and commandments FOR THE PURPOSE of attaining righteousness, or to try to not lose your salvation.

This means that the person is trying to keep something and do something to be right with God, or to try to remain right with God.
= That is "legalism".

Paul teaches that when you are doing this........ you are "in the flesh"... "carnally minded" and "Fallen from Grace".

A Christian who is pursuing the Law and Commandments, or good works... to try to stay saved, or to be saved.......has "broken faith".. Their faith is not in Jesus........its in themselves and self effort, .. and that is defined as "SELF... righteousness"...

 

[Jack]

God is sovereign, so we are under His law. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so if want nothing to do with being under God's law, then you want nothing to do with the New Covenant. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20) while the way to reject everything that he accomplished is by returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from.

The Greek does not contain the word "but". Rather, John 1:16-17 says grace upon grace, so it is speaking of one example of grace being added upon another. In Psalms 119:29, he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so grace and truth came through Jesus because he spent his ministry teaching his followers of how to obey God's law by word and by example.

That's false, but even if I were actively trying to transgress God's as much as I could, then it would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that following of God should walk in His way in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow.

I don't know of anyone who obeys the Law of Moses and I doubt that you're an exception. Stick with the New Covenant so you don't end up in Hell with the Devil.

 

[Soyeong]

I know of countless people who have obeyed the Law of Moses and I doubt you are the exception.

 

[Jack]

I know of countless people who have obeyed the Law of Moses and I doubt you are the exception.

So you know "countless" people who execute gays, adulterers, those of other religions, those who work on weekends? Where are they?

 

[Soyeong]

So you know "countless" people who execute gays, adulterers, those of other religions, those who work on weekends? Where are they?

There is no Sanhedrin, so anyone doing that would be transgressing the Law of Moses.

 

[Jack]

There is no Sanhedrin, so anyone doing that would be transgressing the Law of Moses.

Is this the part you don't like?

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers,
7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth,
8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him;
9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

 

[Jack]

"What does it mean to be Under the Law?"

It means this:

Galatians 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Which mean EVERLASTING HELL FIRE!

 

[Soyeong]

Is this the part you don't like?

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers,
7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth,
8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him;
9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

It is good that you are acknowledging that according to God’s what you are doing is worthy of the death penalty, so what don’t you like about it?

 

[Jack]

It is good that you are acknowledging that according to God’s what you are doing is worthy of the death penalty, so what don’t you like about it?

IOW you don't obey the Law of Moses but you love to preach it! Typical Law preacher. Do you have a sacrifice for your sins??? Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell.

 

[Brakelite]

What does it mean to be Under the Law?​

Have you ever read any books by Jewish authors or visited any Jewish websites to understand what "being under Torah" means to them? I found Rabbi Abraham Heschel's book God in Search of Man and Dr. Pamela Eisenbaum's book Saint Paul Was Not a Christian and the Chabad Lubavich site to helpful in giving a Jewish perspective.

Being "under Torah" to them means recognizing that they are members of God's people by His choice (i.e. by God's grace), and as such have an obligation to live a certain way that distinguishes them from the other nations.

Paul is articulating a vision of a people who are also God's people by God's grace and through trust in a very Jewish Messiah Jesus, but not under Torah. That begs the question, what are the obligations Messiah Jesus's people have? It looks like we're still trying to figure that one out 2000 years later.

We still haven't figured out who God is, let alone who we are.

 

[Soyeong]

IOW you don't obey the Law of Moses but you love to preach it! Typical Law preacher. Do you have a sacrifice for your sins??? Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell.

No, that is not true. Even if what if I were actively trying to sin as much as possible, then that would just mean that I should repent, not that I wrong about the fact that followers of God should walk in His way in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow. The New Covenant still involves following the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 31:33).

 

[Taken]

What does it mean to be Under the Law?​

Inanutshell…you are of Hebrew / one of the 12 Tribes natural bloodline, who has Rejected Jesus as the Messiah, thus are still required to observe all traditional feast days, and pilgrimage once a year to the Temple in JERUSALEM offering your “pure” yearling animal you raised from birth, Never harnessing, never working the animal;
for your sin offering for forgiveness…
Oops, no Temple, and why Jews go to the Wailing wall, and why Jews have Everything fully prepared (down to the Priests clothing!!) Trying to pin point exact location of the former Temple, to reconstruct a new Temple…to continue Altar animal sacrifice….and the “Red Bull” for that too, they search the world over.
** and why “they”. (Along with Gentiles) both having rejected the Lamb of Gods Baptism are subject to the Lambs Wrath…first judgements (seals) when God sends Tribulations down from Heaven.
They believing in God, will be martyred killed, soul saved, and body raised First Resurrection.

Some Jews have accepted Jesus as their Messiah, not called Christians, Rather Messianic Jews.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

No, that is not true. Even if what if I were actively trying to sin as much as possible, then that would just mean that I should repent, not that I wrong about the fact that followers of God should walk in His way in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow. The New Covenant still involves following the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 31:33).

Gods Law is not Mosaic Law.

Mosaic Law is about learning to Obey, without understanding.

Gods Law is Love God Above All and Love All men, including your enemies….and treat all justly.

Jews are to Also Keep their Feast Traditions, Remembrances. Gentiles were never given the Mosaic Law.

And another aspect WITH-IN Mosaic law that Applies to All men is something called” PRECEPTS”, which is Behaviors between and Among men…ie, love all and treat all justly.
And the Forgiveness between and among men…
For TRESPASSES men intentionally or unintentionally commit; men against men.

Jews are no longer under the Law…but can continue to follow the Law, because it was NOT abolished.
Jews who believe the Law was Fulfilled, are Under Gods Grace.
Gentiles who commited their belief In the Lord God Almighty are Baptized IN Christ, by Lamb of God, and thus included being Under Gods Grace.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Gottservant]

I am answering the OP for my own sake:

Being under the Law means trusting the Word, even though you don't know what it is for (selah)

 

[Soyeong]

Gods Law is not Mosaic Law.

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it, so the Law of Moses is the Law of God, which is also why it is referred to as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.

Mosaic Law is about learning to Obey, without understanding.

Nowhere does the Bible say this.

Gods Law is Love God Above All and Love All men, including your enemies….and treat all justly.

The greatest two commandments of the Mosaic Law are to love God and our neighbor. Loving our enemies is in accordance with verses like Exodus 23:4-5, Deuteronomy 23:7, Proverbs 24:17-18, and Proverbs 25:21-22.

Jews are to Also Keep their Feast Traditions, Remembrances. Gentiles were never given the Mosaic Law.

Jews were given the role of being a light and a blessing to the nations by turning the nations from their wickedness and by teaching them to walk in God's way in obedience to the Mosaic Law in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom. There would be no point in spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom to Gentiles if Gentiles did not need to repent from transgressing the Mosaic Law.

And another aspect WITH-IN Mosaic law that Applies to All men is something called” PRECEPTS”, which is Behaviors between and Among men…ie, love all and treat all justly.
And the Forgiveness between and among men…
For TRESPASSES men intentionally or unintentionally commit; men against men.

Jews are no longer under the Law…but can continue to follow the Law, because it was NOT abolished.
Jews who believe the Law was Fulfilled, are Under Gods Grace.
Gentiles who commited their belief In the Lord God Almighty are Baptized IN Christ, by Lamb of God, and thus included being Under Gods Grace.

God is sovereign and eternal, so we will always be under His law. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith and this is what it means to be under grace. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law by spending his ministry teaching us how to correctly walk in obedience to it by word and by example. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked.

 

[Jack]

No, that is not true. Even if what if I were actively trying to sin as much as possible, then that would just mean that I should repent, not that I wrong about the fact that followers of God should walk in His way in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow. The New Covenant still involves following the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 31:33).

Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

Galatians 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

That means Hell Fire, FOREVER!

 

[Taken]

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it, so the Law of Moses is the Law of God, which is also why it is referred to as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.

God is the Law Giver.
The People Agreed to Obey.
And they were called, Hebrews, Tribes, ISRAEL.

Did God Give Gentiles His Law?
Yes… Two, as I said.
Did Gentiles Agree to Obey?
Some do agree, many don’t agree to obey.

Nowhere does the Bible say this.

The Bible Teaches WHO gives men Gods Understanding and When.

The greatest two commandments of the Mosaic Law are to love God and our neighbor. Loving our enemies is in accordance with verses like Exodus 23:4-5, Deuteronomy 23:7, Proverbs 24:17-18, and Proverbs 25:21-22.

Yet, at times they were also directed to slaughter their enemies, men, women, kids, animals.

Until Jesus’ teaching.. a New Better Testament.
Matt 5:
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Jews were given the role of being a light and a blessing to the nations by turning the nations from their wickedness and by teaching them to walk in God's way in obedience to the Mosaic Law in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom. There would be no point in spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom to Gentiles if Gentiles did not need to repent from transgressing the Mosaic Law.

Every one is naturally born in SIN…
Meaning they do not know God, thus Can not believe in God or Love Him…which IS SIN Against God.

Gods Way…a small group God Separated, called Hebrews, Tribes, ISRAEL.
Gods Order,,,Hebrew, Tribesmen, ISRAEL “first”….Gentiles “last”.

God is sovereign and eternal, so we will always be under His law.

Learn it first…
Matt 32:
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked.

Yep walk like Jesus, continually having conversation with God , and praising Him, Thanking Him, acknowledging Him above all, Speaking to others About Him…
Do the Works of God…which Is To Believe IN the Lord God.

Does that have anything to do with Mosaic Law regarding mixing woven fabrics?
Or only praising God on the Sabbath?
Or Taking animals to be slaughtered on the altar?
Do you obey those Laws?

 

[Soyeong]

God is the Law Giver.
The People Agreed to Obey.
And they were called, Hebrews, Tribes, ISRAEL.

Did God Give Gentiles His Law?
Yes… Two, as I said.
Did Gentiles Agree to Obey?
Some do agree, many don’t agree to obey.

God is sovereign, so we are all obligated to obey Him regardless of whether or not we agree.

The Bible Teaches WHO gives men Gods Understanding and When.


Yet, at times they were also directed to slaughter their enemies, men, women, kids, animals.

Until Jesus’ teaching.. a New Better Testament.
Matt 5:
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

God commanding the death penalty is not contrary to God being love.

Every one is naturally born in SIN…
Meaning they do not know God, thus Can not believe in God or Love Him…which IS SIN Against God.
Gods Way…a small group God Separated, called Hebrews, Tribes, ISRAEL.
Gods Order,,,Hebrew, Tribesmen, ISRAEL “first”….Gentiles “last”.

God's way is the way to know, love, glory, believe in, and testify about Him by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, so everyone who wants to do those things should follow His instructions for how to do them regardless of whether they are a Jew or a Gentile. For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through His law.

By being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law we are testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him. Likewise, the way to believe that God is a doer of justice is by being a doer of justice is in obedience to Him, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth for God's other character traits.

The way to love justice is also by being a doer of justice, and so forth, so everything that God has specifically chosen to command was commanded in order to to teach us how to love a different aspect of His character, which is why the Bible repeatedly says that the way to love God is by obeying His commandments.

Learn it first…
Matt 32:
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Everything that God has commanded is in regard to how to love Him and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey the commandments that hang on them. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Mosaic Law. The greatest two commandments are much easier said than done, so thankfully God gave us the rest of His commandments in order to flesh out what it looks like to correctly obey them. Someone who was correctly living in obedience to the greatest two commandments would be indistinguishable from someone who was correctly living in obedience to the Mosaic Law because they would both be following the same example that Jesus set for us to follow.

Yep walk like Jesus, continually having conversation with God , and praising Him, Thanking Him, acknowledging Him above all, Speaking to others About Him…
Do the Works of God…which Is To Believe IN the Lord God.

The Bible repeatedly speaks about walking in obedience to God's commandments, such as:

Deuteronomy 10:12-13 “And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God require of you, but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and to keep the commandments and statutes of the Lord, which I am commanding you today for your good?

Does that have anything to do with Mosaic Law regarding mixing woven fabrics?

Indeed.

Or only praising God on the Sabbath?

The command to keep the Sabbath holy is not the command to only praise God on the Sabbath.

Or Taking animals to be slaughtered on the altar?

There is no temple.

Do you obey those Laws?

Indeed.

 

[Jack]

Indeed.

How many animals have you sacrificed for your sins?