What does it mean to be Under the Law?

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amigo de christo

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Christians are not under the Law, PERIOD! We have the New Covenant paid for by the Blood of Jesus!
And WHO IS THE WAY that GOD has testified of .................
I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH and THE LIFE . That is THE WAY the FATHER has testified of my friend .
The law was given TILL THE TIME of the PROMISE would come .
JESUS did always that which pleased the FATHER . His words are our meat .
No man can be justified by the law . Its all about FAITH . Faith in CHRIST JESUS .
AND if we say we abide in HIM then we sure outta walk as did HE . And by the SPIRIT
we sure are given both the desires and ability to do the things pleasing to GOD .
Now lift those hands up and let all that draws breath point to CHRIST JESUS and all things HE did teach and later the aposetls would
to all lovely sound scripture doctrine . For the hour is late and in an hour known to no man
THAT DOOR SHUTS and all outside will sorely wail but Their pleas will be too late .
TO the trenches jack , to the trenches one and all .
 
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Many will be surprised that God does not accept unrepented sin or allow continued iniquity in His Kingdom.
Shall we continue in sin
GOD forbid , dont ye know that to whom You YIELD your members servants to obey IS WHOSE YOU ARE .
many are gonna be totally shocked indeed my friend
as they followed a sin accepting and even unbeleif accepting jesus . AND do understand why that jesus was not
or will not be captilized on my watch . CAUSE IT AINT JESUS THE CHRIST .
 
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Many will be surprised that God does not accept unrepented sin or allow continued iniquity in His Kingdom.
many have a massive problem with two words . TO and FROM .
TO and FROM .
For many believe Jesus came to set us free TO SIN and not rather FROM SIN .
but to feel free while n bondage and all shall be fine
OR SO THEY THINK . Many , many will hear , a number so high within even christendom will hear
ON HIS DAY , I NEVER KNEW YOU , you who WORKED inquity . but but Lord didnt we use your name ............
Not looking good at all in these last hours upon earth . Many loves them another jesus .
And that one cannot save them .
 
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many have a massive problem with two words . TO and FROM .
TO and FROM .
For many believe Jesus came to set us free TO SIN and not rather FROM SIN .
but to feel free while n bondage and all shall be fine
OR SO THEY THINK . Many , many will hear , a number so high within even christendom will hear
ON HIS DAY , I NEVER KNEW YOU , you who WORKED inquity . but but Lord didnt we use your name ............
Not looking good at all in these last hours upon earth . Many loves them another jesus .
And that one cannot save them .
@amigo de christo
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Stick to the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!
The new covenant does not countenance sin. Or disobedience. Or the setting aside of the laws of God.
The grace of God does not excuse sin. Or disobedience. Or the setting aside of the laws of God.
The grace of God, and the new covenant, both of which you ought to be grateful for, gives you the power to
A. Overcome sin.
B. Obey God's commandments.
The grace of God also gives you the faith to believe that God can accomplish both the above by His power in your life.

Do you have such a faith in the power of God in your life Jack? Can God accomplish such things by grace that you can overcome temptation and keep God's commandments?

Who are the ones that will burn Jack? There ones who keep God's commandments by the grace and power of God, or the ones that excuse sin and claim the new covenant cloaks their sin and disguise it as unimportant and not worthy of attention?
 

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Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Many look and say well this does away with Gods Law, that those who follow the Ten Commandments are 'legalistic'. That although they are 'under grace,' by walking in a path of obedience, that keeps 'the commandments' they are in danger of coming 'under law' again.

So is Paul saying that the Ten Commandments have any further claims upon the believer, that they no longer have to keep the Law. Well, Paul gives a answer to that as he knew that would be the question. So what does he say, lets look.

Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Paul makes clear that this is not so we can sin, but that under grace, those who truly believe will not go into sin as he states 'God Forbid' to such a thought. So what is Paul talking about here in Romans, well we get a clue in his letter to Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 9:20-21
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

So what is Paul saying here, well obviously he is talking about the Jews versus the Gentiles, but notice he says a curious thing, 'being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ'. So what is Paul saying, well lets look directly at the words of Christ.

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This is clear, being under to law to Christ is beyond the level of the literal law, that it surpasses even what the Jews and their teachers thought it was and followed. The entire law, including both moral and ceremonial aspects, revealed by God, existed with a view to the coming of Christ at that point in history. The law was intended by God to keep before the minds of Israel and men everywhere that the real meaning and purpose of the law lay in the full and final revelation when Christ would come to this world. And what does Christ say, He says that ones righteousness would go beyond the law if one wanted to enter into eternal life. We see Christ laying it out to the rich young man.

Matthew 19:17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

So Christ begins with the standard that had been given, to keep the Commandments, and the young man lays claim to doing that 'All these things have I kept from my youth up' but notice what he says next, 'what lack I yet?'

Jesus says to go beyond the law, so surpass it and give all 'and come and follow me.' Christ wants us to obey out a of love for God and neighbor that goes above the literal words given in the law, and that we know, we cannot claim ignorance...
Acts 17:30-31
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

...and we will be judge by this law of love that we are given which is the literal law, 'being not without law to God', and the level of love that surpasses even that, 'but under the law to Christ.'...

I find your exploration of law and grace in Pauline theology particularly thoughtful.
Your reference to the rich young ruler narrative is particularly important. During the patristic period, church fathers like Clement of Alexandria (c.150-215 AD) and Origen (c.185-254 AD) specifically used this passage to develop the concept of "perfection" as going beyond mere legal obedience. They saw Christ's instruction as establishing two levels of Christian commitment - basic commandment-keeping and a higher calling of complete devotion.

The distinction you're making between literal compliance with commandments and Christ's higher law of love echoes Augustine's famous statement from the 4th century: "Love God and do what you want." Augustine wasn't promoting antinomianism but rather suggesting that when love truly governs one's heart, the actions that flow from it will naturally fulfill and surpass the law's requirements.

Your approach to Romans 6:14-15 aligns with what historians recognize as the historical Protestant position - not dismissing God's moral law but reframing our relationship to it. Rather than obeying as a means of earning salvation (being "under law"), believers obey as a loving response to grace already received (being "under grace").
Thank you for this thoughtful biblical exposition that touches on one of Christianity's most historically important theological discussions!
 
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What does it mean to be Under the Law?​

It means to never have the assurance of Salvation. It awaits judgement where the foregone conclusion in those who are under law is condemnation. They know instinctively they are not good enough ...if at all.
 

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Exactly!

John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The Law preachers LOVE preaching it but don't obey the Law.

What does it mean to be Under the Law?​


Being under law means you are motivated by law (ie, fear of punishment) as opposed to being motivated by the knowledge that you are loved, that you are precious and that you are worth dying for.
If you understand the love others as yourself, you are not under the law.
 

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The new covenant does not countenance sin. Or disobedience. Or the setting aside of the laws of God.
Define countenance please.
The grace of God does not excuse sin. Or disobedience. Or the setting aside of the laws of God.
The grace of God, and the new covenant, both of which you ought to be grateful for, gives you the power to
A. Overcome sin.
B. Obey God's commandments.
The grace of God also gives you the faith to believe that God can accomplish both the above by His power in your life.
Are you saying you never sin?
Do you have such a faith in the power of God in your life Jack? Can God accomplish such things by grace that you can overcome temptation and keep God's commandments?
Sure do. But we all still sin!
Who are the ones that will burn Jack?
I can't name the BILLIONS who will burn in the everlasting fire. But they surely will.
There ones who keep God's commandments by the grace and power of God, or the ones that excuse sin and claim the new covenant cloaks their sin and disguise it as unimportant and not worthy of attention?
And there's those who pretend that they NEVER sin.