What does it mean to be Under the Law?

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Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Many look and say well this does away with Gods Law, that those who follow the Ten Commandments are 'legalistic'. That although they are 'under grace,' by walking in a path of obedience, that keeps 'the commandments' they are in danger of coming 'under law' again.

So is Paul saying that the Ten Commandments have any further claims upon the believer, that they no longer have to keep the Law. Well, Paul gives a answer to that as he knew that would be the question. So what does he say, lets look.

Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Paul makes clear that this is not so we can sin, but that under grace, those who truly believe will not go into sin as he states 'God Forbid' to such a thought. So what is Paul talking about here in Romans, well we get a clue in his letter to Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 9:20-21
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

So what is Paul saying here, well obviously he is talking about the Jews versus the Gentiles, but notice he says a curious thing, 'being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ'. So what is Paul saying, well lets look directly at the words of Christ.

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This is clear, being under to law to Christ is beyond the level of the literal law, that it surpasses even what the Jews and their teachers thought it was and followed. The entire law, including both moral and ceremonial aspects, revealed by God, existed with a view to the coming of Christ at that point in history. The law was intended by God to keep before the minds of Israel and men everywhere that the real meaning and purpose of the law lay in the full and final revelation when Christ would come to this world. And what does Christ say, He says that ones righteousness would go beyond the law if one wanted to enter into eternal life. We see Christ laying it out to the rich young man.

Matthew 19:17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

So Christ begins with the standard that had been given, to keep the Commandments, and the young man lays claim to doing that 'All these things have I kept from my youth up' but notice what he says next, 'what lack I yet?'

Jesus says to go beyond the law, so surpass it and give all 'and come and follow me.' Christ wants us to obey out a of love for God and neighbor that goes above the literal words given in the law, and that we know, we cannot claim ignorance...
Acts 17:30-31
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

...and we will be judge by this law of love that we are given which is the literal law, 'being not without law to God', and the level of love that surpasses even that, 'but under the law to Christ.'...
 

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Being under law is the opposite of being in Christ Jesus.
 
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What does it mean to be Under the Law?​


Being under law means you are motivated by law (ie, fear of punishment) as opposed to being motivated by the knowledge that you are loved, that you are precious and that you are worth dying for.
 
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Being under law is the opposite of being in Christ Jesus.
Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6).
 

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What does it mean to be Under the Law?​


Being under law means you are motivated by law (ie, fear of punishment) as opposed to being motivated by the knowledge that you are loved, that you are precious and that you are worth dying for.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Many look and say well this does away with Gods Law, that those who follow the Ten Commandments are 'legalistic'. That although they are 'under grace,' by walking in a path of obedience, that keeps 'the commandments' they are in danger of coming 'under law' again.

So is Paul saying that the Ten Commandments have any further claims upon the believer, that they no longer have to keep the Law. Well, Paul gives a answer to that as he knew that would be the question. So what does he say, lets look.

Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Paul makes clear that this is not so we can sin, but that under grace, those who truly believe will not go into sin as he states 'God Forbid' to such a thought. So what is Paul talking about here in Romans, well we get a clue in his letter to Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 9:20-21
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

So what is Paul saying here, well obviously he is talking about the Jews versus the Gentiles, but notice he says a curious thing, 'being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ'. So what is Paul saying, well lets look directly at the words of Christ.

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This is clear, being under to law to Christ is beyond the level of the literal law, that it surpasses even what the Jews and their teachers thought it was and followed. The entire law, including both moral and ceremonial aspects, revealed by God, existed with a view to the coming of Christ at that point in history. The law was intended by God to keep before the minds of Israel and men everywhere that the real meaning and purpose of the law lay in the full and final revelation when Christ would come to this world. And what does Christ say, He says that ones righteousness would go beyond the law if one wanted to enter into eternal life. We see Christ laying it out to the rich young man.

Matthew 19:17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

So Christ begins with the standard that had been given, to keep the Commandments, and the young man lays claim to doing that 'All these things have I kept from my youth up' but notice what he says next, 'what lack I yet?'

Jesus says to go beyond the law, so surpass it and give all 'and come and follow me.' Christ wants us to obey out a of love for God and neighbor that goes above the literal words given in the law, and that we know, we cannot claim ignorance...
Acts 17:30-31
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

...and we will be judge by this law of love that we are given which is the literal law, 'being not without law to God', and the level of love that surpasses even that, 'but under the law to Christ.'...
It is important to recognize that Paul spoke about multiple categories of Law other than the Law of God, so we should be careful to discern which law he was referring to us as not being under. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death. The Law of God leads to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5). In Romans 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God in contrast with saying that law of sin held him captive, so it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5-6 as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death or as if he delighted in being held captive to sin, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. Likewise, it would be absurd to interpret Romans 6:14 as if Paul delighted in sin having dominion over him or as if he wanted to no longer be under the Law of God that he delighted in obeying, but rather he wanted to no longer be under the law of sin that was causing him not to do the good that he wanted to do.

In Romans 6:15, being under grace doesn’t mean that we are permitted to sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so we are still under it. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 is contrasting these two directions. We are slaves to the one that we obey, either the law of sin the leads to death or obedience to the Law of God that leads to righteousness. We are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are now to present ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification , and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so being a doer of the Law of God is His gift of eternal life in Christ.

In Matthew 4, Jesus consistently preceded a quote from what was written by saying “it is written…”, but in Matthew 5, he consistently preceded a quote from what the people had heard being said by saying “you have heard that it was said…”, so his emphasis on the different form of communication is important. Jesus was no teaching that we needed to surpass what was written, but that we needed to surpass what they had heard being said by said. Everything written in the Law of God is in regard to how to love God and our neighbor, so love is in accordance with what was written.
 

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Further to post # 3...
The other view is that you a worthless piece of sh.t but you will be forgiven if you believe in Jesus.

The first view glorifies God because he never stops loving, the second view glorifies yourself by putting the onus on your believing, implying that God's glory and therefore his love hinges/ depends on your belief.
One has plenty to say about ones Saviour, the other has plenty to say about ones experience.
One knows that being a witness is presenting Jesus, the other believes being a witness is about talking of ones experience/ self
One focuses out, the other focuses in,
One is objective, the other subjective
 

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Further to post # 3...
The other view is that you a worthless piece of sh.t but you will be forgiven if you believe in Jesus.

The first view glorifies God because he never stops loving, the second view glorifies yourself by putting the onus on your believing, implying that God's glory and therefore his love hinges/ depends on your belief.
One has plenty to say about ones Saviour, the other has plenty to say about ones experience.
One knows that being a witness is presenting Jesus, the other believes being a witness is about talking of ones experience/ self
One focuses out, the other focuses in,
One is objective, the other subjective
God's way is the way to know, love, glorify, believe in, and testify about Him by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits and God has taught how to walk in His way through His law (1 Kings 2:1-3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. By being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law we are testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him, and the same is true for God's other character traits. Sin is what is contrary to God's way, such as with unrighteousness being sin and sin is the transgression of God's law because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way, so the way that Jesus is giving us his gift of saving us from our sin is by graciously teaching us to walk in God's way.
 

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Being under law is the opposite of being in Christ Jesus.
Exactly!

John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The Law preachers LOVE preaching parts of the Law they like but don't obey the Law themselves.
 
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Exactly!

John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The Law preachers LOVE preaching it but don't obey the Law.
Do you think God keeps his law, jack?
 

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Do you think God keeps his law
I would say that God has his own moral law?

God is Pure and Holy in Spirit....that to me makes him moral.....there is no sin to be found in Jesus.....Praise God for that....as Jesus also represented “ morals”.

In many of his parables close parableA story told by Jesus through which he teaches and illustrates moral lessons and principles., including the Sheep and Goats, Jesus teaches about what will happen at the end of time. All of humanity shall be judged on the way they have lived and how they have acted.

In fact Jesus is the perfect teacher to show us “ morals”...the Spirit shows and teaches me “ morals”.

I live by those morals.

Short commentary..

God approves of right actions because they are right and disapproves of wrong actions because they are wrong (moral theological objectivism, or objectivism). So, morality is independent of God's will; however, since God is omniscient He knows the moral laws, and because He's moral, He follows them.


Jesus replied: 37. “ 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” 38This is the great and first commandment. 39. The second [is] like it: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” 40On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
 
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The Law was for humans, not God! Why would God need the Law for Himself? Do you think God sins??? You're being quite ridiculous.
Hmmmm, I s'pose if torturing folk forever in fire is not deemed sin, perhaps you are content with 'do as I say, not do as I do'
 

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Hmmmm, I s'pose if torturing folk forever in fire is not deemed sin, perhaps you are content with 'do as I say, not do as I do'
Can you tell God what He can't do??? You're clearly attacking God of the Bible. The FEAR of God and wrath of God are two main Bible doctrines. Christians don't attack the Bible.
 

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Can you tell God what He can't do??? You're clearly attacking God of the Bible.
I guess you need to make that charge Jack, so you can maintain face with your blatant inconsistencies.
 

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We all need to know the Love Of God in “ our hearts” ...otherwise we cannot know or understand the truest,purest, Holiest, Love.....which is Gods Love...there is none on the planet that can compare to the Love Of God..whose Love indwells our hearts/ spirit......Gods Love / Spirit is Alive!​

Praise God that I bask in his Love and not the Love Of this world....the love of this world is superficial and phoney.

1 Corinthians 13​


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13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
 
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I guess you need to make that charge Jack, so you can maintain face with your blatant inconsistencies.
Prove my "blatant inconsistencies"! You're the one who accused Jesus and Moses and others of being wrong about the Genesis Flood and burning Sodom alive, "MAKING THEM an EXAMPLE!
 
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Can you see the enemy at play...he’s so cunning and has us arguing before we even know it...let go of that old man...let’s walk in the new man...in Jesus Name....Amen!