Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

[TribulationSigns]

That's quite the work. However, I am of a hybrid Amillennial view, and am strongly convinced that the joint ministry of John the babtist (6 months) and Jesus (3 years) are indeed the only Two witnesses the world will ever see. Of all people, they are the only Two who were ever born with the Holy Spirit of God, aka "anointed". Zech.4:14.

John the Baptist and Jesus Christ as Two Witnesses?

Okay let poke holes at your theory:

1.) When did they receive the holy spirit at the same time before their 1,260 days testimony, verse 3?

2.) When did both of their testimony end at the same time after 1,260 days, verse 7?

3.) How did the beast wage war, overcome and kill John and Jesus at same time, verse 7? What street did they die on?

4.) Where did the Beast came out of bottomless pit, verse 7?

5.) When did they resurrect together after 3-1/2 day of being killed in the street, verse 11-12?

 

[Earburner]

So? "that Wicked" is singular in the Greek, not plural as you claimed.

The entire NT reveals that ALL who are the wicked (the unsaved) shall be destroyed upon the 24 hour Day that Jesus is revealed from heaven.
Mat. 13
[49] So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever THE WICKED from among the just,

 

[Earburner]

Ins

John the Baptist and Jesus Christ as Two Witnesses?

Okay let poke holes at your theory:

1.) When did they receive the holy spirit at the same time before their 1,260 days testimony, verse 3?

2.) When did both of their testimony end at the same time after 1,260 days, verse 7?

3.) How did the beast wage war, overcome and kill John and Jesus at same time, verse 7? What street did they die on?

4.) Where did the Beast came out of bottomless pit, verse 7?

5.) When did they resurrect together after 3-1/2 day of being killed in the street, verse 11-12?

Of all the details that are provided in the gospels, concerning who the two witnesses really were, I shall only give brief information, so as to whet your thirst, so that you CAN KNOW by the Holy Spirit for yourself, that they really were John the Baptist and Jesus.

First and foremost, Jesus said that the OT. scriptures testify of himself.

Secondly, the Holy Spirit in Paul said this: we are to compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Thirdly, Zech. 4:1-14 is the prophecy about God's two anointed, of which in Malachi 4:1-6, one witness would first come BEFORE that great and dreadful Day.
[5] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
[6] And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
John the Baptist was indeed the fulfillment of Isa. 40[3] The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Instead of studying Revelation for your information, go find ALL of the detailed information in the gospels about John and Jesus, in conjunction with Zech. ch. 4, and THEN apply that to Revelation.
Make no mistake, your study "through the mind of Christ" will deeply involve you, as long as you can keep preconcieved doctrines (the wisdom of men) at bay.

So then, to get you started, in Zech. 4:12, what is the "golden oil" symbolic of??
By listening ONLY to the mind of Christ within you, you will KNOW!!

1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the [anointing] power of God.
John.14
[26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
1John.2
[27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Ins

Of all the details that are provided in the gospels, concerning who the two witnesses really were, I shall only give brief information, so as to to whet your thirst, so that you CAN KNOW by the Holy Spirit for yourself, that they really were John the Baptist and Jesus.

i see that you have failed to answer all the questions honestly.

Thought so! Therefore, your interpretation for two witnesses is false.

Moving on!

 

[Earburner]

I'm not a fan of this type of post. You come across as if you are saying that everyone else has a problem, but you alone have this figured out. But, I'm not even certain of what you're saying here. Can you clarify? You are trying to claim that the new earth is us? If so, I certainly disagree with that. According to Peter, the new heavens and new earth is something we are still looking forward to (2 Peter 3:13). The new heavens and new earth refer to a renewed heavens and earth that will be renewed by fire when Jesus returns (2 Peter 3:13). And at that point "there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away" (Revelation 21:4).

First off, your approach is not respectful towards a view that opposes your own. Therefore you should learn of how God's thinking is far beyond our thinking, as that of how a dog is to us. Isa. 55:8-9.

Is not God building and making of you and I to be each the members of His New continuing city of Jerusalm, aka "the body of Christ"?
Heb. 11
[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
[9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Aren't you and I New creatures, made out of the elements of earth, as earthen vessels?
Vessels? For what?? To contain the Holy Spirit of God within us.
What is the land of promise that you and I hope to inherit?
Ans. Our glorified bodies, containing the Spirit of God Himself.

The other point is: for the past 2000+/- years, Christendom has pounded it into the heads of believers that this earth is worthy of being saved along with ourselves, as if we should need/require another planet earth.

So then, I ask you: if we are going to inherit Immortality, in the likeness to that of Jesus, how then for the past 2000 years is it that Jesus Himself has not needed or required another planet earth for His own dwelling??
Maybe because the Godhead has always and ONLY wanted to dwell within us, His creation. We ourselves are their dwelling place.

Do you not know that Jesus, who is forever part God and part man, has the eternal ability to appear being both Physical and/or Spirit at will? If you think not, then judge for yourself how it is that He entered into the "upper room", when in fear of the Jews, the disciples had closed the doors, of which were most likely barred (locked).

How does that which can be Spirit at will need or require another physical planet earth? He doesn't. We are just too lazy to think beyond the doctrines of Christendom.

 

[Earburner]

i see that you have failed to answer all the questions honestly.

Thought so! Therefore, your interpretation for two witnesses is false.

Moving on!

I never agreed to answer your questions, but rather I chose to help you to find out the truth for yourself, of how it is the two witnesses have already come long ago.
How sad!! You lazily have settled for the doctrines of men, and to your loss.

The next thing you will be telling me is God needs a new planet earth to dwell on with us, and not in us. For that, you'll have to search it out also, of how it is that we are the earthen vessels for His indwelling.
Rev. 21
[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
[23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

 

[Keraz]

There is no 7000 year plan. You are just making that up. It certainly is not taught in scripture.

But there is. in 47 verses which give us time periods, to simply added up. Also fitted to the known date of the Babylonian conquest.

7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:
Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3972.5 BC subtracted back to 586 BCE, from:

Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 7:6 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BC
Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +54 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1968.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 21 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BC.
1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BC.

Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5
3386.5 + 586 = 3972.5 years from 1BC to when Adam was Created.

586 BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5/30 AD, the date of Jesus’ acclamation as King of Israel. Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.
3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.
Now - almost another 2000 years since Jesus, when He will Return and then come the Sabbath 1000 years for the earth and mankind; the beneficent reign of Jesus for a Millennium.
AFTER that comes the final Judgment and Eternity.

The idea of the end coming when Jeus Returns, is false and is a direct rejection of the Prophecies in Revelation 20, plus Isaiah 2:1-4 and may other scriptures.

 

[Earburner]

But there is. in 47 verses which give us time periods, to simply added up. Also fitted to the known date of the Babylonian conquest.

7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:
Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3972.5 BC subtracted back to 586 BCE, from:

Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 7:6 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BC
Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +54 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1968.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 21 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BC.
1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BC.

Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5
3386.5 + 586 = 3972.5 years from 1BC to when Adam was Created.

586 BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5/30 AD, the date of Jesus’ acclamation as King of Israel. Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.
3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.
Now - almost another 2000 years since Jesus, when He will Return and then come the Sabbath 1000 years for the earth and mankind; the beneficent reign of Jesus for a Millennium.
AFTER that comes the final Judgment and Eternity.

The idea of the end coming when Jeus Returns, is false and is a direct rejection of the Prophecies in Revelation 20, plus Isaiah 2:1-4 and may other scriptures.

Wow!! All that math, and you don't know that Jesus, who is now still the "Lamb of God", THE "SIN BEARER", shall return in all His Immortal Glory..."without sin".
Heb. 9
[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

In God's Name, what shall all the generations of mortal people do, during the 1000 years to escape their sinful selves and death, when the only salvation made available since Pentecost, will have ENDED upon Jesus' Glorious return from heaven?
Ans. Without a "sin bearer", in the vanity of their existence, they will have NO HOPE at all!!

Such is the vain point of a literal 1000 years on earth!!
Rev. 21
[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
[23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

 

[ewq1938]

The entire NT reveals that ALL who are the wicked (the unsaved) shall be destroyed upon the 24 hour Day that Jesus is revealed from heaven.

Nope. Not one verse says that happens in fact there is scripture that PROMISES a future rule over the nations after Armageddon and you cannot dispute what this says. You can only deny the verb tense and Greek grammar here:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves some mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

 

[Douggg]

Nope. Not one verse says that happens in fact there is scripture that PROMISES a future rule over the nations after Armageddon and you cannot dispute what this says. You can only deny the verb tense and Greek grammar here:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves some mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

ewq1938, if I might suggest - make all your text the same size. It makes it easier to read your post and understand whatever point(s) you are trying to make.

 

[Earburner]

Nope. Not one verse says that happens in fact there is scripture that PROMISES a future rule over the nations after Armageddon and you cannot dispute what this says. You can only deny the verb tense and Greek grammar here:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves some mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

Do try to make the attempt to interpret the following through the mind of Christ, and not through the wisdom men:
KJV Luke 17
[24] For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also [the sudden appearance of the] Son of man be in his DAY.
[25] But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all [within 24 hours].

[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in the DAY WHEN the Son of man is revealed [from heaven in flaming fire].

Now, in KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10, please notice the word "WHEN" written two times in those verses, and understand that when the Lord is SUDDENLY revealed from heaven, it WILL BE A SIMULTANEOUS EVENT, all in the "SAME DAY" of 24 hours.

 

[Douggg]

Do try to make the attempt to interpret the following through the mind of Christ, and not through the wisdom men:
KJV Luke 17
[24] For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also [the sudden appearance of the] Son of man be in his DAY.
[25] But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all [within 24 hours].

[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in the DAY WHEN the Son of man is revealed [from heaven in flaming fire].

Now, in KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10, please notice the word "WHEN" written two times in those verses, and understand that when the Lord is SUDDENLY revealed from heaven, it WILL BE A SIMULTANEOUS EVENT, all in the "SAME DAY" of 24 hours.

As a suggestion to make your posts and point(s) easier to read and understand - cut down on the number of colors in the highlighted text. Two colors at the most. Maybe, red and blue.

 

[Earburner]

Nope. Not one verse says that happens in fact there is scripture that PROMISES a future rule over the nations after Armageddon and you cannot dispute what this says. You can only deny the verb tense and Greek grammar here:

And what is the point of an additional 1000 years on earth, since there will no longer be Christ as the "sin bearer"??

 

[Earburner]

As a suggestion to make your posts and point(s) easier to read and understand - cut down on the number of colors in the highlighted text. Two colors at the most. Maybe, red and blue.

Thanks for the suggestion, but when necessary I write in "3-D". :)

 

[ewq1938]

And what is the point of an additional 1000 years on earth, since there will no longer be Christ as the "sin bearer"??

You have accepted or created this no longer sin bearer thing. And the "additional" thousand years is in the bible, so it serves God's purpose whether we understand it or not.

 

[ewq1938]

ewq1938, if I might suggest - make all your text the same size.

Making text a dif color, or size is useful as long as it is not overdone.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I never agreed to answer your questions,

Simply because you do not have the answer.

but rather I chose to help you to find out the truth for yourself, of how it is the two witnesses have already come long ago.
How sad!! You lazily have settled for the doctrines of men, and to your loss.

They did, at Pentecost. As it is written...if you receive it:

Rev 11:3-4
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Act 1:7-8
(7) And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The church (Elect) are God's Two Witnesses. Not Jesus and John. Not Moses and Elijah. Not two individuals. But God's witnesses.

The next thing you will be telling me is God needs a new planet earth to dwell on with us, and not in us. For that, you'll have to search it out also, of how it is that we are the earthen vessels for His indwelling.
Rev. 21
[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
[23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

And your point is? What does this have to do with the ministry of "Two Witnesses" on this cursed Earth before Christ's return and New Earth and New Heaven.

 

[Earburner]

Simply because you do not have the answer.

The answer is not mine for me to have, but rather to share for understanding, to all who ARE born again of the Holy Spirit. John 3:3-8.

For us, Jesus Himself is the New heaven, wherein God the Father dwells. Mat. 3:16.
By repentance towards God through faith in Jesus, we then are to ask/invite Him into our life, and then receive Him as our Lord and Savior. Luke 11:13; Rev.3:20.

In so doing, He then literally comes into our "earthen bodies", bringing the Father within Himself, of which together, they are the "another Comforter", the Gift of the Holy Spirit. John 14:16, 23, 26, 15:26, 16:7.

In that moment, we are to THEM the New Earth of their permanent indwelling, called "the New man" of Christ dwelling within our "earthen vessels" [bodies], which is "Christ in us", aka collectively, the body of Christ. 2 Cor. 4:7, 5:17
Through Christ in us, we are the New earth of God's indwelling.

Quite literally and spiritually, since Pentecost, God has been "building and making" from out of His chosen "Earthen vessels", His New City of people, whose "foundations" are Christ and the 12 Apostles.
Rev. 21:14.

They did, at Pentecost. As it is written...if you receive it:

Rev 11:3-4
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Act 1:7-8
(7) And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

That is correct. For all we who are born AGAIN of His Spirit, by His presence within us, we are His witnesses.
However none of us were ever physically born having the Holy Spirit upon birth, EXCEPT John the Baptist and Jesus.

The church (Elect) are God's Two Witnesses. Not Jesus and John. Not Moses and Elijah. Not two individuals. But God's witnesses.

John was the witness to the world of who Jesus is: "The Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world".
As for Jesus, he is the only witness to the world of who God the Father is. "I and my Father are one".

And your point is? What does this have to do with the ministry of "Two Witnesses" on this cursed Earth before Christ's return and New Earth and New Heaven.

There is no future ministry of any other two witnesses to come. John and Jesus were the only two Anointed witnesses, who came as a joint ministry to give witness of the KoG, as only Jesus knows personally of how it truly is!!

We ourselves who are IN Jesus, and He IN us, are the New city of God.
Jesus is the literal New Heaven of our dwelling place, and we of our "earthen bodies" are the New Earth of God's dwelling place.
We each are the "mansions" in "His Father's house", who is Jesus Himself. John 14:3

Edit: let us not forget that God the Father is a Spirit ONLY, but now, for the first time and forever, He has enjoined Himself within the Immortal flesh and Eternal Spirit of His only begotten Son Jesus, so that through Him, the Holy Spirit of God the Father can now also dwell within us, thereby "making" us to be HIS New creation, His NEW EARTH. 2 Cor. 5:17.

Now, as I have previously recommended for yourself, do read, study and digest by the mind of Christ within you, all the Gospel details about John and Jesus, especially what each have to say about each other's "coming", revealing to us of them being the only Two anointed witnesses of Zech. 14, Rev. 11:3-4, who came "before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the LORD". Malachi 4:5

 

[Earburner]

You have accepted or created this no longer sin bearer thing. And the "additional" thousand years is in the bible, so it serves God's purpose whether we understand it or not.

Created? No!
Accepted? YES!! It's scriptural, which falls in line with all that the Holy Spirit teaches.

Heb. 9[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
When Jesus is suddenly revealed from heaven, his coming then will be in the office of King of kings, in all his Glory, and no longer in the office of one bearing the sins of many.

 

[ewq1938]

Created? No!
Accepted? YES!! It's scriptural, which falls in line with all that the Holy Spirit teaches.

Heb. 9[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
When Jesus is suddenly revealed from heaven, his coming then will be in the office of King of kings, in all his Glory, and no longer in the office of one bearing the sins of many.

All it says is he returns without bearing the sins he already bore. it does not say he will never bear any other sins. Note he appeared without any sin which means he left heaven with none of those previous sins. There is nothing surprising there.