Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Spiritual Israelite]

The biblical means by which we escape the second death is remaining faithful untill death.

Revelation 2
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Okay, so think about that and then read this:

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This indicates that having part in the first resurrection results in escaping the second death. So, that tells me that there is a connection between having part in the first resurrection and remaining faithful until death. It's not a bodily resurrection that is required to escape the second death, so you need to interpret Revelation 20:6 accordingly and rethink what it means to have part in the first resurrection. What does scripture say is the first resurrection?

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Scripture says that Christ's bodily resurrection was the first resurrection from the dead, so that tells me that having part in the first resurrection relates to having part in Christ's resurrection.

Do you agree that we spiritually have part in Christ's resurrection when we put our faith in Christ and keep faith in Him until death?

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

We identify with His death and resurrection by going from being dead in our sins to being spiritually alive in Christ, right? Why would that not have something to do with having part in the first resurrection when you consider that His resurrection was the first resurrection?

 

[WPM]

The biblical means by which we escape the second death is remaining faithful untill death.

Revelation 2
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

This has already started then. It is ongoing. It refers to eternal life that we receive upon salvation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I quote the verse in context.
The saints died for their witness of Jesus.

They did exactly what Jesus said to do in the gospel.

Show where I supposedly quoted something out of context. Just saying that without even showing what you're talking about is pointless. Please grow up and talk like an adult.

 

[tailgator]

Okay, so think about that and then read this:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This indicates that having part in the first resurrection results in escaping the second death. So, that tells me that there is a connection between having part in the first resurrection and remaining faithful until death. It's not a bodily resurrection that is required to escape the second death, so you need to interpret Revelation 20:6 accordingly and rethink what it means to have part in the first resurrection. What does scripture say is the first resurrection?

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Scripture says that Christ's bodily resurrection was the first resurrection from the dead, so that tells me that having part in the first resurrection relates to having part in Christ's resurrection.

Do you agree that we spiritually have part in Christ's resurrection when we put our faith in Christ and keep faith in Him until death?

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

We identify with His death and resurrection by going from being dead in our sins to being spiritually alive in Christ, right? Why would that not have something to do with having part in the first resurrection when you consider that His resurrection was the first resurrection?

When Christ comes at the end of the 6000 years,there is a bodily resurrection.
These saints who come out of their graves reign with Christ over the nations.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When Christ comes at the end of the 6000 years,there is a bodily resurrection.
These saints who come out of their graves reign with Christ over the nations.

This is all you have in response to what I said? You didn't address one single thing I said just like you haven't addressed anything said in the OP. What a waste of time. You clearly are incapable of making a coherent argument using scripture. Let me know if you ever gain that ability and then we'll talk more.

 

[tailgator]

This has already started then. It is ongoing. It refers to eternal life that we receive upon salvation.

The saints in revelation 20 who do not worship the beast or it's image nor receive it's mark have not died for their testimony yet .They are living today in the beasts kingdom.They will be imprisoned and killed after the second beast arrives to help the first beast in the next couple of years.Probably next year the way it looks.The beast is going to need more help soon and help is on the way.

 

[MA2444]

This thread is about the amil vs premil debate and not post-trib vs. pre-trib. Did you not even read the title of this thread or his original posts?

I read some of it until I disagreed with what he was saying. I know (and you know!) fully well that preMil/Amil differences in theology includes the pre trib/ post trib rapture debat as a huge part of it. So much so that you almost cant talk about one without the other. So...so what that I mentioned rapture. (it prolly wont happen today, not a cloud in the sky, lol.)

 

[tailgator]

This is all you have in response to what I said? You didn't address one single thing I said just like you haven't addressed anything said in the OP. What a waste of time. You clearly are incapable of making a coherent argument using scripture. Let me know if you ever gain that ability and then we'll talk more.

You say the bodily resurrection at the coming of Christ is not bodily.

Scripture shows these saints literally coming out of their graves flesh bones and all before Gog invades.

 

[MA2444]

Projection!

Hey quit stealing my lines. You didnt start saying that until after I did the first time, lol. It's ok if other petrib people use it though.

 

[MA2444]

Notice that no one even attempts to address any of the points you made in your OP. It's not hard to see why.

You guys are like two peas in a pod. What happened to you? Just a short while back you started sounding like you understood the importance of being reasonable loving people to obey the Lord you said! What's that one scripture?

I found it.

1 Corinthians 13:1-2
1 If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing..../NLT

You and him treat Premils like the enemy and that isnt right Brother. No one tries to address yours/his points because you guys have never ever addressed any of ours! It got old. You showing a mob mentality when you should be letting your light shine before men. Am I right? I know I am. That's why I toned down my posts to you guys when you all would pick fights.

It's a swamp brother, dont get stuck in the mud.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I read some of it until I disagreed with what he was saying. I know (and you know!) fully well that preMil/Amil differences in theology includes the pre trib/ post trib rapture debat as a huge part of it.

Not necessarily. The timing of the thousand years is a different issue than the timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation.

So much so that you almost cant talk about one without the other.

Of course you can. We have debated post-trib premils over the years MANY times about the timing of the thousand years and pre-trib had nothing to do with the discussion at all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You guys are like two peas in a pod. What happened to you? Just a short while back you started sounding like you understood the importance of being reasonable loving people to obey the Lord you said!

Do you imagine yourself as being an example of the kind of person that you're talking about? I hope not because you certainly are not. Are you trying to make things personal again instead of just addressing the topic of this thread? It's always you making things personal. I merely pointed out a fact, which is that no one is even attempting to specifically address any of the points made in the original posts. And then you come back with all this as if what I said isn't true or as if I said something bad about your mother.

What's that one scripture?

I found it.

1 Corinthians 13:1-2
1 If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing..../NLT

So, you imagine your behavior on here (calling us "Satan" and suggesting that we might be possessed by evil spirits and other nonsense) is a case of loving others?

You and him treat Amils like the enemy and that isnt right Brother. No one tries to address yours/his points because you guys have never ever addressed any of ours! It got old. You showing a mob mentality when you should be letting your light shine before men. Am I right? I know I am. That's why I toned down my posts to you guys when you all would pick fights.

It's a swamp brother, dont get stuck in the mud.

The last person here that I need advice from regarding my personal behavior is you. You blew that chance long ago. I can't take you seriously. You say we pick fights. Total nonsense. At least half or your posts involve childish insults. You can never just stay on topic and address the points that were made.

 

[WPM]

Hey quit stealing my lines. You didnt start saying that until after I did the first time, lol. It's ok if other petrib people use it though.

LOL. Lies! You and your Pretrib buddies are the personification of Projection. You describe yourselves to a T in each of your attacks. You seem incapable of engaging in healthy biblical discussions. You prefer to wallow in mudslinging. That and avoidance marks your offerings. This thread is another example!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You say the bodily resurrection at the coming of Christ is not bodily.

LOL. No, I do NOT say that. It's clearly a complete waste of time trying to discuss anything with you since you are apparently not capable of understanding anything you read.

 

[WPM]

You and him treat Premils like the enemy and that isnt right Brother. No one tries to address yours/his points because you guys have never ever addressed any of ours! It got old. You showing a mob mentality when you should be letting your light shine before men. Am I right? I know I am. That's why I toned down my posts to you guys when you all would pick fights.

It's a swamp brother, dont get stuck in the mud.

Where am i attacking Premils in the Op? Disagreeing with Pretrib and Premil in your estimation is attacking Pretribs and Premils. But you Pretribbers can viciously, blatantly, mercilessly, relentlessly venomously attack, insult, malign, antagonize Posttribbers and Amils and it is all cool. So, no. No one will take you serious with your artificial victim bleating. It is bogus. Be honest with yourself: you cannot refute Posttrib or Amil, so ad hominem is where you feel most at home.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL. You and your Pretrib buddies are the personification of Projection. You describe yourselves to a T in each of your attacks. You seem incapable of engaging in healthy biblical discussions. You prefer to wallow in mudslinging. That and avoidance marks your offerings. This thread is another example!

He's trying to turn this into another pretrib vs. post-trib debate when it clearly is only intended to be an amil vs. premil debate. He clearly goes out of his way to start trouble, but he won't admit it.

 

[MA2444]

Do you imagine yourself as being an example of the kind of person that you're talking about? I hope not because you certainly are not. Are you trying to make things personal again instead of just addressing the topic of this thread? It's always you making things personal. I merely pointed out a fact, which is that no one is even attempting to specifically address any of the points made in the original posts. And then you come back with all this as if what I said isn't true or as if I said something bad about your mother.


So, you imagine your behavior on here (calling us "Satan" and suggesting that we might be possessed by evil spirits and other nonsense) is a case of loving others?


The last person here that I need advice from regarding my personal behavior is you. You blew that chance long ago. I can't take you seriously. You say we pick fights. Total nonsense. At least half or your posts involve childish insults. You can never just stay on topic and address the points that were made.

I'd answer you but you argue like a woman and I'm not partial to that.

I dont think I'm an example to anyone, I'm nobody man. I know that and I aint seeking noteriety, lol. So you shouldnt be as offened as you are of little old me. I aint nothing to you except perhaps brothers in Christ. I wasnt insulting you, I made a few observations. So what? Dont get defensive. Oh but you insult me all the time. It's been a good couple months since I dished out an insult to you rude amil guys. But that's what you want to bring up? That's why I say you argue like a woman, and that's not an insult either! That is an observation so you can put the victim card away and talk like a man...or not.

That was two months ago! Got anything from this month? No you dont. Not because I think I'm special, because I am putting forth effort. That's all. When you stop being better, you stop being good.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'd answer you but you argue like a woman and I'm not partial to that.

Here's yet another example of your childish insults. You're obvioulsy a complete sexist with how you put down women all the time. And you have no conscience about that. What a pathetic joke. And you act like you have changed? LOL I'm not wasting any more time on you unless you'd like to talk about what is written in the original posts in this thread. Looks like you're not too interested in that, though.

I dont think I'm an example to anyone, I'm nobody man.

Great. Something we can agree on.

I know that and I aint seeking noteriety, lol. So you shouldnt be as offened as you are of little old me.

I get offended by anyone who I think should know better when I see them act like an immature child the way you do. But, maybe I'm wrong that you should know better. You tell me. Am I wrong about that?

I aint nothing to you except perhaps brothers in Christ. I wasnt insulting you, I made a few observations. So what? Dont get defensive. Oh but you insult me all the time. It's been a good couple months since I dished out an insult to you rude amil guys. But that's what you want to bring up? That's why I say you argue like a woman, and that's not an insult either! That is an observation so you can put the victim card away and talk like a man...or not.

That was two months ago! Got anything from this month? No you dont. Not because I think I'm special, because I am putting forth effort. That's all. When you stop being better, you stop being good.

LOL. Please stop acting as if you've changed, as you clearly have not. I'm not buying that at all, as evidenced by the first thing you said in your post. Get back to me if you ever grow up. You talk about talking like a man while you talk like a little boy. How can I take that seriously? I truly can't take you seriously at all. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

 

[tailgator]

LOL. No, I do NOT say that. It's clearly a complete waste of time trying to discuss anything with you since you are apparently not capable of understanding anything you read.

Christ comes and defeats the beast in revelation 19.
The resurected saints who did not worship the beast or it's image ,reign with Christ for 1000 years in revelation 20.

Christ has surely come in revelation 20 and bodily resurected those saints who were killed for their testimony during the beasts 42 months

 

[tailgator]

LOL. No, I do NOT say that. It's clearly a complete waste of time trying to discuss anything with you since you are apparently not capable of understanding anything you read.

I understand far more than you think.
I was reading the news today about the man of sin.He said he had talked to the beast on a phone call on Sunday and said the beast asked his advise about how to deal with its enemies..The man of sin said he told him to "do what you have to do".

Now according to scripture,the man of sin gives his armed forces to the beast and it is at that time the saints are imprisoned and killed in the beasts kingdom.

Now you have absolutely no clue as to who or what I'm talking about. That show just how much you understand what you read in the bible.Next year when the man of sin gives the beast his armed forces,you still won't understand even though you have both read about it in the bible and would have seen it fulfilled.