Chuck Missler Proves The Pre-Trib Rapture

[David in NJ]

You just pointed to 2 comings.
One sitting on a cloud
One on white horses.
Now read acts 1 and take off the blinders.
Because like manner DOES NOT FIT EITHER ONE.
Like manner ONLY FITS pretrib rapture.

Vivid , and irrefutable, unless you want to torture that bible some more

Acts chapter 1 DESTROYS the LIES of pre-fib

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

 

[MA2444]

REVELATION is a series of 'revelations' .

JESUS comes in the clouds (Rev 14) are the SAME clouds in Rev ch19

AFTER that is WRATH Time

That's right. He comes in Rev 19. But in Rev 12:5 is says some are raptured. I wonder what that means?

 

[Taken]

Just adding and affirming.
I agree with you

Thank you brother for the clarification. Always good to know straight up, WHO ones brothers IN Christ are.

God bless you…Abundantly…through these gut wrenching trying times.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

That's right. He comes in Rev 19. But in Rev 12:5 is says some are raptured. I wonder what that means?

REALLY? ch12 says "some are raptured"

Do you care to post that verse?

Oh YES, here it is:
"She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne."

Quite obviously this is One Person = the LORD Jesus Christ

Feed on the Truth you will be Strong in the TRUTH
feed on religion, you will be as the religion you feed on

 

[MA2444]

REALLY? ch12 says "some are raptured"

Do you care to post that verse?

Oh YES, here it is:
"She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne."

Quite obviously this is One Person = the LORD Jesus Christ

Feed on the Truth you will be Strong in the TRUTH
feed on religion, you will be as the religion you feed on

Revelation 12:5
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne..../KJV

Jesus? When does Jesus get caught up again to God's throne? He's been there for over 2000 years.

 

[MA2444]

The way I read it:

Matthew 24
Verses 1&2- the historical setting.
Verse 3 is the three questions.
Verses 4-6 General chracterisitcs of the church age.
Verses 7&8 The sign of the end of the age.
Verses 9-28 are about the Great Tribulation. (9-14 the first half/15-28 senond half)
V 29& 30 The sign of the 2nd coming of Jesus.
V 31 The regathering of Israel.
V 32-35 The parable of the Fig tree.

Up until this, Matthew has been chronological. Where he deviates is verse 32 and Jesus begins adding things because He has been talking about the end of the age and what will happen but now He is talking about Israel so that we know we are the final generation then goes on to talk about the rapture.

Verses 36-42 ia talkig about the Rapture.

And so this is where Matthew deviates from chronoogical order. It is over in Luke 21 that you get to hear....But before that...at this point. Mathhew doesnt say it. Luke is probably a more accurate account of Jesus message that day because it lets you see where Jesus started adding stuff and was backtracking saying but this will be first...

And the reason that we know that the Rapture is pre trib, is that the Rapture is imminent. t could happen at any moment. No one one knows when and no prophetic event must precede it from happening....!

Matthew 24:44
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh..../KJV
So it has to be pre trib because when the 7 year treaty is signed we can count the days until Jesus comes! No so with the rapture.

 

[David in NJ]

The way I read it:

Matthew 24
Verses 1&2- the historical setting.
Verse 3 is the three questions.
Verses 4-6 General chracterisitcs of the church age.
Verses 7&8 The sign of the end of the age.
Verses 9-28 are about the Great Tribulation. (9-14 the first half/15-28 senond half)
V 29& 30 The sign of the 2nd coming of Jesus.
V 31 The regathering of Israel.
V 32-35 The parable of the Fig tree.

Up until this, Matthew has been chronological. Where he deviates is verse 32 and Jesus begins adding things because He has been talking about the end of the age and what will happen but now He is talking about Israel so that we know we are the final generation then goes on to talk about the rapture.

Verses 36-42 ia talkig about the Rapture.

And so this is where Matthew deviates from chronoogical order. It is over in Luke 21 that you get to hear....But before that...at this point. Mathhew doesnt say it. Luke is probably a more accurate account of Jesus message that day because it lets you see where Jesus started adding stuff and was backtracking saying but this will be first...

And the reason that we know that the Rapture is pre trib, is that the Rapture is imminent. t could happen at any moment. No one one knows when and no prophetic event must precede it from happening....!

Matthew 24:44
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh..../KJV
So it has to be pre trib because when the 7 year treaty is signed we can count the days until Jesus comes! No so with the rapture.

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

There is no "Coming of the LORD" even remotely suggested in this passage
#1 - JESUS clearly states "the end is not yet"
#2 - JESUS clearly states "these are the beginning of sorrows"

TWICE the LORD Jesus Christ rebukes any pre-trib coming!!!

To suggest there is, is clear evidence of human desire enticed by false doctrine from humans who oppose the Truth

 

[MA2444]

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

There is no "Coming of the LORD" even remotely suggested in this passage
#1 - JESUS clearly states "the end is not yet"
#2 - JESUS clearly states "these are the beginning of sorrows"

TWICE the LORD Jesus Christ rebukes any pre-trib coming!!!

To suggest there is, is clear evidence of human desire enticed by false doctrine from humans who oppose the Truth

So you'll continue to tell people, dont watch for the Lord, Dont watch for the Lord, pre trib is false...??

And I'll continue to say, watch for the Lord. It says He will come when you least expect it.

When's that for you? Post trib? When you least expect it, after the great Tribulation?WHat kind of sense does that make? I studied those verses, dont be deceived. Yeah, I'll watch out for that. I'll watch out for Jesus too!

 

[David in NJ]

So you'll continue to tell people, dont watch for the Lord, Dont watch for the Lord, pre trib is false...??

And I'll continue to say, watch for the Lord. It says He will come when you least expect it.

When's that for you? Post trib? When you least expect it, after the great Tribulation?WHat kind of sense does that make? I studied those verses, dont be deceived. Yeah, I'll watch out for that. I'll watch out for Jesus too!

Watching for the LORD in your own lifetime is the SAME as watching for the LORD at His Second Coming.
Our life is but a vapor = therefore we continue in the GOSPEL until He Comes for us at physical death or at His Physical Return/Coming.

“Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ 49and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Revelation 12:5
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne..../KJV

Jesus? When does Jesus get caught up again to God's throne? He's been there for over 2000 years.

It is saying Jesus is in heaven, but the Jews are on earth.
He will later rule with a rod.
The Jews are ushered to safety.
The 144k are sealed.
This shows us the church is no longer on earth and God has turned to the Jewish harvest.
Fits pretrib rapture like a glove

 

[rebuilder 454]

Rev 14 & Rev 19 are REPEATING revelations of the SAME Event as is Rev 6:9-11 as is Rev 7:15-18

Nope.
The description is 2 separate events.
No way is sitting on a cloud the exact same thing as sitting on a horse.
No way is a sword a sickle.

Factor in Acts 1. "Like manner"
Like manner can not be postrib in any creativity you can throw at it

 

[rebuilder 454]

Acts chapter 1 DESTROYS the LIES of pre-fib

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Lol
"Like manner" is local, no horses, no warrior Savior, no tribulation period, nobody killed, no Antichrist army,.

Exactly opposite of your theory.
But fits pretrib return like a glove.

You call is liars , then post a passage that makes your deal impossible and a lie.

SMH
Too funny.

 

[David in NJ]

Nope.
The description is 2 separate events.
No way is sitting on a cloud the exact same thing as sitting on a horse.
No way is a sword a sickle.

Factor in Acts 1. "Like manner"
Like manner can not be postrib in any creativity you can throw at it

SAME Event with more Revelation which you and the pre-fibbers cannot SEE.

Neither will God allow you to SEE unless you repent from opposing His words.

Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

 

[amigo de christo]

SAME Event with more Revelation which you and the pre-fibbers cannot SEE.

Neither will God allow you to SEE unless you repent from opposing His words.

Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

What i type to you my friend i now type for all to read .
Attention everyone , a delusion has been unleashed amongst christendom and the world .
And many now love a lie which shall lead to the day of perdition of ungodly men .
Amber alert to one
amber alert to all . This strong delusion has grown in both number and in darkness and is taking captive whole houses
, whole churches , communities .
It has come to unite them . It has come to unify them all
under what they will beleive and do beleive is God and His Love . IT IS THE DEVIL , this is that which is of anti christ
this is that which has been and is the mystery of inquity . It is simply grown massive in size , influence and power .
It has come to merge the denominations and religoins and the world to be as one mind and one heart
under what they believe is LOVE and of GOD . The devil is a liar and he has many anti christs who now preach
his socially engineered false love gospel . It is not the LOVE of GOD , it is the love of the world
that has come to merge them under common ground . And david , ITS EVERYWHERE NOW .

 

[David in NJ]

What i type to you my friend i now type for all to read .
Attention everyone , a delusion has been unleashed amongst christendom and the world .
And many now love a lie which shall lead to the day of perdition of ungodly men .
Amber alert to one
amber alert to all . This strong delusion has grown in both number and in darkness and is taking captive whole houses
, whole churches , communities .
It has come to unite them . It has come to unify them all
under what they will beleive and do beleive is God and His Love . IT IS THE DEVIL , this is that which is of anti christ
this is that which has been and is the mystery of inquity . It is simply grown massive in size , influence and power .
It has come to merge the denominations and religoins and the world to be as one mind and one heart
under what they believe is LOVE and of GOD . The devil is a liar and he has many anti christs who now preach
his socially engineered false love gospel . It is not the LOVE of GOD , it is the love of the world
that has come to merge them under common ground . And david , ITS EVERYWHERE NOW .

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’ - John 15:18

 

[amigo de christo]

SAME Event with more Revelation which you and the pre-fibbers cannot SEE.

Neither will God allow you to SEE unless you repent from opposing His words.

Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

A very sad and heart breaking fact is
that many will buy the lie for they have rejected the love of the truth and have loved and made a lie that cannot save one soul .
This lie they believe to be the LOVE of GOD and see as truth , will lead them into the darkest hour the world has ever seen
as they merge as one and enter into the unholiest covenant to be as one and into greater darkness that they beleive is light .
Not you , not me , not any man can stop this delusion david . IT will run its course
and many will buy the lie .
David i have seen eyes glaze over as though one is under a trance when they speak about this love they beleive is of GOD
and yet its not at all of GOD but is of darkness and he who desires to be as GOD .
I never seen a delusion like this my friend .
It seems to unify those who have no true love for GOD , HIS WORDS , HIS TRUTH , the SCRIPTURES .
It is unifying the false religoins with the masses of those who are lip only in chirstendom .
Till now i am even called judmgental and a hater for simply procliaming them false and stating ONE must repent and beleive on
JESUS the CHRIST . And they think the true gospel is hateful and divisive
and this other so called love gospel is the key , the answer to world peace , safety and salvation of humanity .
IN other words their hope is in the WRONG ONE david . and that one cannot give them salvation .
In fact these folks have no idea its because of this strong delusion , which they think is love and call love ,
that the very wrath of GOD will come upon them .
And the decieved grow harder and harder against the TRUTH and those who do speak it .
Now on this path , this path they have chosen and loved , they will heed the call for the solution
which cometh of anti christ and of his men . That solution will sound something like this
THESE haters and dividers are a danger to society and to peace n safety and must be rid from this earth .
AND THEY WILL BELIEVE they do the will of GOD when they hand us over to authorities .
Tribulation aint new to the church , but this tribulation i speak of will be the absolute worst to come against
the last lambs standing and much blood will be shed . The true church is gonna bleed david . many
will die for the faith in the days ahead . And the unified under the delusion will believe IT WAS NECESSARY too . its COMING david .
ITS Coming .

 

[amigo de christo]

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’ - John 15:18

the problem with many is , THEY now beleive if the world hate you , THEN YOU AINT LOVING like you should .
THEY have bought a lie david and its gonnaget worse .
They think the new way to evanglize is the answer and the old true way IS IN the way , obsolete and even hateful and divisive .
And rainbows and korans are kissed and covenants for world peace are made with false religoins
and everyone just believes THIS IS THE WILL of GOD for peace n safety . ITS a lie david .
And if one exposes it , they are considered to be hateful and divisive .
but allow me to remind us of what JESUS himself said
and john later says .
He who believes shall be saved , he who beleives not shall be DAMNED . and thems JESUS WORDS . so dont heed popes and others
who try and imply otherwise .
Today if i say other religoins DO NOT know or serve or LOVE GOD
i get told thats being judgmental , that i dont know their heart .
Lets see what JESUS told the UNBELEIVING JEWS . YE be of your father the devil . so if they dont get a pass , the false religoins dont either .
lets see what john said about a liar and an anti christ . HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST , is a liar , this is anti christ .
Today its DONT JUDGE .
John said HE who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave OF HIS SON , is calling GOD A LIAR
today its , OH dont judge they love GOD too .
JESUS said IF YE LOVED GOD ye would have LOVED ME for i came forth of GOD .
today its , DONT JUDGE , they love GOD too .
DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM YET .

 

[amigo de christo]

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’ - John 15:18

The problem is , they call GOD and HIS CHRIST the liar and the apostles the liar .
And believe you me that is gonna be a serious problem on the DAY OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
we better get back into bibles is all i can say .

 

[David in NJ]

the problem with many is , THEY now beleive if the world hate you , THEN YOU AINT LOVING like you should .
THEY have bought a lie david and its gonnaget worse .
They think the new way to evanglize is the answer and the old true way IS IN the way , obsolete and even hateful and divisive .
And rainbows and korans are kissed and covenants for world peace are made with false religoins
and everyone just believes THIS IS THE WILL of GOD for peace n safety . ITS a lie david .
And if one exposes it , they are considered to be hateful and divisive .
but allow me to remind us of what JESUS himself said
and john later says .
He who believes shall be saved , he who beleives not shall be DAMNED . and thems JESUS WORDS . so dont heed popes and others
who try and imply otherwise .
Today if i say other religoins DO NOT know or serve or LOVE GOD
i get told thats being judgmental , that i dont know their heart .
Lets see what JESUS told the UNBELEIVING JEWS . YE be of your father the devil . so if they dont get a pass , the false religoins dont either .
lets see what john said about a liar and an anti christ . HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST , is a liar , this is anti christ .
Today its DONT JUDGE .
John said HE who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave OF HIS SON , is calling GOD A LIAR
today its , OH dont judge they love GOD too .
JESUS said IF YE LOVED GOD ye would have LOVED ME for i came forth of GOD .
today its , DONT JUDGE , they love GOD too .
DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM YET .

i SEE thru the Eyes of Truth = "THY word is TRUTH"

the Serpent attacked God's words = the same Serpent has now become a GREAT RED DRAGON with 1/3rd the STARS

And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

 

[amigo de christo]

i SEE thru the Eyes of Truth = "THY word is TRUTH"

the Serpent attacked God's words = the same Serpent has now become a GREAT RED DRAGON with 1/3rd the STARS

And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

GOD is TRUTH , HIS WORD is TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT is TRUTH , His Words are truth .
Yep . stay in the lovely bible my friend .
And as far as love is concerned let us always remember something .
if i even gave all my goods to the poor and yet had not CHARITY it would profit me nothing .
What does CHARITY REJOICE in David . What is the key of knowing whether its CHARITY or false .
HERE is the key . CHARITY REJOICES IN TRUTH . And the last time i checked the words of GOD are TRUTH .
so why would their so called love TROD THEM WORDS under foot . exactly david .